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and you will stop. don't MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!! let it grow This the faith my Father taught me - and my Father in LAW taght my mate. So let it be written. So let it be done.... otherwise..... Hurry along you don't want to be LATE Butt.. Buttt.. I"M not going anywhere.... and NEITHER are YOU oh....sillyme, NO , not late in the sense of your silly temporal sytem which doesn't even allow me to show my true age.. Late as in the LATE MR DENT I men LATE in it's TRUE sence, you know DEAD..... Bit of THREAT actually come to think of it..... silly things to use to try to control a warrior priest, so I forget sometimes that it actually works on some Humans

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FEBRUARY 10, 2013 12:09PM

Moral Authority and the Poor Man's Drone

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15 year old julie is being fitted out by her family, tribe and and Nation to be honored.

Her leader has assured her that this is the moment that she has been created for.

She will be singing for the President.

There will be thousands of people present in the close theater.

As the president greets her and the powerful explosives woven into her costume billow forth to kill and maim hundreds, she sighs in pleasure, for she knows her cause is just and the antichrist who murders and oppresses her people has been destroyed

Something any 12 year old learns with his first BB gun is the difference between the “power” to do an act and the “moral authority” . It is a tough lesson to learn; that you easily have the power to kill a robin sitting on her nest of young, but then discover to your horror, that you never had the moral authority.

Awareness of “Moral Authority” is what a man uses to stop himself from an action that he knows is wrong, when no one else can or will.

Call it conscience.

Some people are never afforded the chance to develop one. Some people believe that the “answer” to the nagging of conscience is “WILL”. - Logic of MInd, or Law.

Some people never notice a moral dimension at all - “Robins”, like everything else, are just things to be used for personal aggrandizement.

Some people actually manage to convince themselves that “The Robin” had it coming.

I never could.

It is a test as old as Humankind- those who do not respect moral authority, cannot be trusted with authority of any kind. Much less unchecked Power.

Character counts.

The president apparently takes great pains in choosing who will be executed by drone, not for imminent acts of violence, but for “Thinking violent thoughts” and “Planning violence”

The presidency was never envisioned to exercise such power.

The problem is not “selected killing” . Selected "elimination"  has always been the policy of a dishonorable statecraft.It has always been the policy to mention “who will rid me of this troublesome priest?” or “What is Truth?” while washing hands and turning tactfully away.

Deniability and “surprise at being misunderstood” by ones underlings.

What is new is a president who so misunderstands the warrior mind that he Trumpets “I”

“I Killed Osama”

And when caught with dead robins in the garden

Claims the Proud Personal authority to decide that they had it coming

Because there was a crow among them

 

Suicide Bombers? Homicide Bombers? Assassination of Leaders?

You must pardon me if I simply point them out

As the Poor Mans Drone Program

 

Lincoln was not assassinated for freeing the slaves

He was executed for Treason

Ask MR. Booth.

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much to mull over here. read, rated, and appreciated.
The 'other' guy - leader or follower - is ALWAYS evil. He is always open to being executed, with or without trial; this is the highest 'morality' of leaders, their dedicated followers, and their minions.

"Our Leader is THE Leader, Thou Shalt Have No Leaders Before Him!"

"One man's Terrorist is another man's Freedom Fighter!"

"Be reasonable..... Do it OUR way."

"Leaders kill people." Until we learn that, we have no business having one.

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“I Killed Osama”

How do you attribute this quote to Obama when he never said it?
@Bill,
Good gawd, sir, do you want to introduce truth to the game of politics?

Why...... why..... if you did that, we'd ALL have to do it!

No, no. Them other guys is all evil and that's that. If they didn't say them evil things, they must have thought them or I wouldn't think they'd have thought them, now would I?

Heck even if OUR guys think them we ought to blame them guys for our guys having to think them in order to keep up to them guys thinking them..... Clear?
(George Orwell ain't got nuthin' on me!)

;-)
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[r] Well said, Rudy. Media-hyped personality cultism and sociopathic behavior in leadership prevails in America. Leaders with character and conscience? Those people are weeded out of the top echelon of leadership fast, government or corporate (that are incestuously linked) if they manage to sneak up there. After all, all newbies in the ruling class elite are soon overwhelmed with the "pragmatism" that they must pimp themselves out to become a member of said power elite and join the "lesser evil" crowd of liars and cover-up artists and apologists for amorality.

best, libby
...as opposed to...?
fernsy, libby

Thank you

Sky

you got it- what a preposterous idea!

Bill

Though he is too modest to allow it to get out, i have unimpeachable sources who inform me that, far from spending a tense night in the situation room during the bin laden raid, ( as opposed to the noight of the Benghazi raid) when Obama heard thaat they had Osama cornered, he changed into his Mom jeans, grabbed his shotgun and went out and PERSONALLY busted a skeet load in Osama's face, and when that didn't kill him, he bitch slapped the S.O.B. to death.

The implication BIll, is/was CLEARLY "I took the HARD choice and Killed him, where Romney wouldn't have had the GUTS"

Please don't start with the Emily already, OK?

As to "an alternative?"

I just heard McCain- witth whom I agree in this instance - Drones are wonderful. They are not something you let the CIA or the president use to target vitims as they see fit from a set of flash cards on boring Tuesday afternoons- With oversight, they are properly part of the dept of defense To which, the president may make suggestions, but in which, the military commanders CAN, DO and MUST say, "Sir, with respect, that is an illegal order."
Look, Cat, if holding you to a fact is what it takes by you to be called "Emily", then...what the fuck. Everything is whatever you say it is. But you know, when you water it all down like that, everything you say is reduced to meaninglessness.

You can fudge on the facts if you like. You certainly have. But to the rest of the world, "I killed Osama" is different from saying, "I said if I had a chance to get him, and got him in my sights, I would." The real quote has a direct reference to the incident at Tora Bora where the U.S. let him get away, and a great deal of trouble ensued as a result. It was criticized at the time, and deservedly so. What happened at Tora Bora was a strategic error. The candidate Obama said he would have chosen differently, and he did. That is what the real quote means. It is important to you to misquote for your disingenuous purpose. So be it. If being factual makes me "Emily", so be it. Lying just makes you...you.
The referfence had nothing to do with Romney. He said, "when I said..." And when he "said" was during the previous campaign. Facts matter.
With all due respect Bill, you bore me
Everybody else heard him strutting around claiming the kill,"when others wouldn't have had the guts". If you had your head so far up your ass ( or his) that you didn't, that's not my problem.
"GM ALIVE, OSAMA DEAD!!!!!"- member that?
I remember that. Biden said it. Facts matter.

The quote, "GM is alive and Bin Laden is dead" refers to decisions taken by the President. The President decided to preserve GM when it might have collapsed, which resulted in preserving thousands of jobs. The President decided to go forward with the decision to kill Bin Laden when there were considerable downside risks to making that decision. For context, Carter made a similar decision with the raid to get the Iranian hostages with "Delta Force." Remember them? I used to work for one of the pilots from Delta Force, USMC Colonel Hoff. The mission failed and Carter took a huge hit in the eyes of the voters. It contributed to his losing the election.

President's have avoided such sticky situations since. Not worth the risk. Reagan bailed on Lebannon. Bush bailed on Tora Bora. Obama said, if he had the chance, he would go ahead and take a shot.

Facts may bore you, but they are not here to entertain. They are to edify. Facts matter. If you are bored, that's your personal issue.
Navy Seals didn't kill bin Laden (nor did Obama)-- guns did.
Bill

Filtering things through your understanding is always fascinating but incredibly boring. Picking nits with you is a real treat. I'll let someone else do it.
Trig

Actually, it was probably the sudden compression, decompression of the substance of his brain
"This country was formed for the white, not for the black man. And looking upon African Slavery from the same stand-point held by the noble framers of our constitution. I for one, have ever considered if one of the greatest blessings (both for themselves and us,) that God has ever bestowed upon a favored nation. Witness heretofore our wealth and power; witness their elevation and enlightenment above their race elsewhere."

From dickhead's hero JW (MR.) Booth
I love you trig, kissy, kissy- calm down
I don't have an opinion on the drones. I just wish people would actually behave with the peace and goodwill that they prattle on about, instead of the greed and hatred that hides in their hearts.
Bullets man, it's the bullets that kill. Well, them ripping through the flesh and organs and such that does it, so basically physics killed em!!! PHYSICS MAN!!!!

~wanders off for grilled cheese sandwiches~
Nah, tink, It's life that kills- if they had,t been alive, he couldn't have killed them QED
Rude, you make a charge, then when it is proved to not apply to the person you charge, you call it "picking nits."

You can't claim someone said something when someone else said it. That is not picking a nit, that is just reality. Facts matter.
bill. old buddy, I prove it to the satisfaction of me and the satisfaction of anyone who understood what the president meant to say- as far as your opinion of "picking nits, or much of anything else, you've proven yourself to be a relentless focuser on something other than the point made in order to avoid the point made. Emily Litellla
PS

Do you understand the concept of synecdoche? metonymy ? just wondering? Do you in fact understand ENGLISH?

Just waiting for your explanation that "The White House said.." couldn't possibly be TRUE, because Houses don't TALK ( beside it's more of a "beige".......
It was the porn that killed him.
sorry ^^^^^^^^ at Bill
Damn lARRY- I can't type word in edgewise- yes, porn kills
You've fallen off the edge, Rude. Like Libby and Jan...you are starting to accept your own jaded view of life as the REALITY.

Get a grip on it, man.

In your former cyber-self you were at least entertaining...jokes and funny banter once in a while.

But now there is nothing funny or cute about you or your posts. This one particularly is an abomination. And your responses to Bill did what I would have considered almost impossible...drove it to even further depths.

Get a grip on it!
Frank

Thanks for stopping by- Are you implying there's any reason in the world I should care about YOUR opinion?
Thanks for stopping by- Are you implying there's any reason in the world I should care about YOUR opinion?


Actually, I was not inferring that, but now that you mention it, I think there is a reason…and a good one at that.

I’m certainly not the only one making the observations I did about you (or Libby,Jan or Amy.) Many people are noticing the lack of restraint; the almost childish need to beat the drum of hatred and scorn for a guy doing a very difficult job…perhaps the most difficult job in the world.

Yes, mistakes will be made…and some decisions will cause unintended negative consequences, but decisions HAVE TO BE made…and Barack Obama is the guy who has to make them. Some leeway has to be given. In the “drone” situation, there are matters that have to be tended to or horrible results could occur. You may think using “drones” as a means to handle them is disgusting, but the total result could easily be better by far then any of the other options when played out to a finale.

And as for inviting people to comment…WHICH YOU DO BY POSTING HERE ON THE INTERNET…and then treating them the way you did Bill Beck, is the “drone” equivalent on the Internet.

Chill, dude…IS a reason for caring about my opinion. A good one!

Thanks for asking.
Frank

No, I in fer ( latin In fero- bear in- ) what you imply ( Latin in plico (folld in) hence : I INFER that you IMPLY that I should take your opinion seriously - such cute lttle INCORRECT attempts at "correction" are why I DON"T
NB- If you doubt, let's get Skypixie0 in on it...
So long as states exist in numbers larger than one, they will have disputes that may or may not be amenable to peaceful resolution, since they have the ability to use force each one of them, if with differential abilities, or so goes the argument of Realpolitik.
Realpolitik properly understood also asks what it is that States are seeking too, as to how they define their interests.
Perhaps it is folly, as to what America pursues as its interests in the Muslim world, but it isn't only about oil and power, but also about ideals, ideals like democracy, human rights, especially for women in the latter case.
Of course to pursue such ends with violent means may well corrupt the ends sought, and almost certainly does, but, it cannot be said to be without ideals as some general statement either.
It's an ugly world sometimes, and the risk, and rationalization of course, has always been that the Security Dilemma, that there exist sovereign states that can use force by definition of a state makes it morally compromised as an activity.
Of course, the United States traditionally sought out a legal order for such relations, dating to Jefferson if Wilson was its best expositor, if perhaps not its best practitioner.
Drone strikes may well not be a good idea for many reasons, including the mode one chooses, Star Chamber-looking clearly in that case, affecting who you are.
We also didn't chose the nature of the Muslim world either.
We could retreat from the world on a large scale and see what happens too. Sometimes arguments for extending American power have self-serving aspects as to who applies that power in terms of institutions, although there also certainly exist people in other countries who like that compared to the arrangements they perceive, rightly or wrongly, as the likely alternative.
Personally, I doubt one can escape those dilemmas, if they certainly always have to be considered, and not just dismissed either.
Fuck off an die , trig ( no offense meant, of course ;-)
Ladies and gentlemen, please allow me to introduce the next step forward in warfare ...

Skynet.
yes, i had him killed. he was a baddie. take my word for it.
Technical difficulties with an asshole

Back in a bit

Fuck off and die , trig-- Kissy, Kissy
Below is from rudes post the other day where he attempted to belittle Bill Beck on the skeet shooting "controversy."

Basically, best I can tell, Herr rude would be somewhere between very happy and ecstatic if Obama (whom he admits he does in fact hate Frank) were executed, kina like the treacherous treasonous Lincoln was executed by rude's hero "MR. Booth"------

"I hated Nixon- I hate Obama
for much the same reason

Ends and means- the final test
I guess we'll just have to agree to fight it out.
The assassination of a President is justified if the feeling that he is a threat is strong enough?
Hopefully, he'll be impeached first."
Ok , where were we-
oh yes - just asked Lori about her policy about assholes dragging feuds from OS over to Oursalon- Re- my interest in involving people from my real life

Back to trig

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15 year old julie is being fitted out by her family, tribe and and Nation to be honored.

Her leader has assured her that this is the moment that she has been created for.

She will be singing for the President.

There will be thousands of people present in the close theater.

As the president greets her and the powerful explosives woven into her costume billow forth to kill and maim hundreds, she sighs in pleasure, for she knows her cause is just and the antichrist who murders and oppresses her people has been destroyed

Something any 12 year old learns with his first BB gun is the difference between the “power” to do an act and the “moral authority” . It is a tough lesson to learn; that you easily have the power to kill a robin sitting on her nest of young, but then discover to your horror, that you never had the moral authority.

Awareness of “Moral Authority” is what a man uses to stop himself from an action that he knows is wrong, when no one else can or will.

Call it conscience.

Some people are never afforded the chance to develop one. Some people believe that the “answer” to the nagging of conscience is “WILL”. - Logic of MInd, or Law. Some people never notice a moral dimension at all - “Robins”, like everything else, are just things to be used for personal aggrandizement. Some people actually manage to convince themselves that “The Robin” had it coming.

I never could.

It is a test as old as Humankind- those who do not respect moral authority, cannot be trusted with authority of any kind. Much less unchecked Power.

Character counts.

The president apparently takes great pains in choosing who will be executed by drone, not for imminent acts of violence, but for “Thinking violent thoughts” and “Planning violence”

The presidency was never envisioned to exercise such power.

The problem is not “selected killing” . Selected "elimination" has always been the policy of a dishonorable statecraft.It has always been the policy to mention “who will rid me of this troublesome priest?” or “What is Truth?” while washing hands and turning tactfully away. Deniability and “surprise at being misunderstood” by ones underlings.

What is new is a president who so misunderstands the warrior mind that he Trumpets “I”

“I Killed Osama”

And when caught with dead robins in the garden

Claims the Proud Personal authority to decide that they had it coming

Because there was a crow among them

Suicide Bombers? Homicide Bombers? Assassination of Leaders?

You must pardon me if I simply point them out

As the Poor Mans Drone Program



Lincoln was not assassinated for freeing the slaves

He was executed for Treason

Ask MR. Booth.

Make this post my weekly Reader's Choice.

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You fucking lightweight! Deleting comments? Then closing comments?
At least you had the cojones to reopen comments, assumingly after you checked your fortitude meter and found it at zero.

As you can see, I now have copied what I said, to repost as you delete. If you close again I'll post them at my own blog along with other thoughts~

Frank Apisa.. I copied this from OurSalon where rude calls himself BEtter for you that doesn't use OUR, and anyone else that gives a sh*t~

"this guy hates Obama's half blackness and doesn't much care for his white half either. That coupled with a general decrepitude of body and mind plus a false sense of his own high degree of cleverness lead to these pieces of "writing" that intend to provocate without substance."

I have no respect for retarded blowhards who couldn't write their way out of fourth grade, but come here to try to convince actual intelligent people that their retarded viewpoints are valid-- You suck at making your case rude... hell, I'm not even exactly sure what your case is.
Bill Beck on the other hand lays it out in a manner that a thinking person, unlike rude, can understand, if not agree with. I do however agree with Bill today (and Don Rich too)...
You big meanie... YOU TOLD LORIANNE ON ME?!?!?!

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gee, Trig... decided to bully, threaten and harass somebody else, have you?

How very Bill Beck like...

But we already knew that, didn't we?
Ok , where were we-
oh yes - just asked Lori about her policy about assholes dragging feuds from OS over to Oursalon- Re- my interest in involving people from my real life

Back to trig

sorry about that
Unlike trig, I have life- had to go tend to my wife for a bit

Where were we

Copied from Our Salon: Trig on my post:

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Kosher... this guy hates Obama's half blackness and doesn't much care for his white half either. That coupled with a general decrepitude of body and mind plus a false sense of his own high degree of cleverness lead to these pieces of "writing" that intend to provocate without substance. Also, apparently, I kicked his ass and robbed him in a "krogers" parking lot, whatever a kroger is.

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Kissy kissy trig, calm down, we love you

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Below is from rudes post the other day where he attempted to belittle Bill Beck on the skeet shooting "controversy."

Basically, best I can tell, Herr rude would be somewhere between very happy and ecstatic if Obama (whom he admits he does in fact hate Frank) were executed, kina like the treacherous treasonous Lincoln was executed by rude's hero "MR. Booth"------

"I hated Nixon- I hate Obama
for much the same reason

Ends and means- the final test
I guess we'll just have to agree to fight it out.
The assassination of a President is justified if the feeling that he is a threat is strong enough?
Hopefully, he'll be impeached first."

Frank Apisa.. I copied this from OurSalon where rude calls himself BEtter for you that doesn't use OUR, and anyone else that gives a sh*t~

"this guy hates Obama's half blackness and doesn't much care for his white half either. That coupled with a general decrepitude of body and mind plus a false sense of his own high degree of cleverness lead to these pieces of "writing" that intend to provocate without substance."

I have no respect for retarded blowhards who couldn't write their way out of fourth grade, but come here to try to convince actual intelligent people that their retarded viewpoints are valid-- You suck at making your case rude... hell, I'm not even exactly sure what your case is.
Bill Beck on the other hand lays it out in a manner that a thinking person, unlike rude, can understand, if not agree with. I do however agree with Bill today (and Don Rich too)...

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copied for posterity dick""

Very amusing trig,
Why in god's name should I care?
Unless and until you show up on my doorstep ( at which time I'll either shoot you or call the police, probably both) What the hell difference do you make to me?

You hopeless pussy
Kissy kissy

go ahead and continue to annoy the electrons- I gotta take the trash out, back later
PS- No trig, I notified Lori of the fact that her post, unfortunately, still attracts too many assholes for me to want to expose my real life friends to it.
Bite me Amy - thought you quit. (?) Try 1-800-WAA-AAAH

And yes rude I got your two pm's and your three comments at my most recent blog that repeated what you said two or three times above

"Fuck off and die , trig-- Kissy, Kissy"

Nice imagination retard...
It expresses and continues to express my feelings for you, trig, honey
seriously, I gotta take the trash out- have fun playing with yourself while I'm gone, trig
terrorist
n. any guy with a gun not in the US military or residing in a country with a 2nd amendment, and of strategic value to US corporations....

see also drones — mission creep to execution nirvana
sorry, that should read withOUT a 2nd amendment or constitution. got a little CONFUSED there for a second.
uzn

That seems to sum it up, doesn't it
Basically just scrubbed the walls of grafitti over at Oursalon - I thought I had it set to private so that trig couldn't go over there to shit while I was out. He managed to anyway.

Trig you are a hopeless pussy. Stay here and blog at OS and fight like a man where and when I'm available, or track me down and drop in on me like a ninja in the night. Your comments are basically the result of being a shit processing device that I feed shit when I'm looking for some amusement.

So, you coming over to my house asswipe, or you just gonna to continue to bother the electrons?
Rude-- I would reply to what you said here, at my private mail, at my blog, and at OurSalon (all the same little bit) if I could understand just what you were trying to get at. Best I can tell you may be an approximate intellectual equivalent to the great Ronald "trees cause pollution anyway so we might as well cut them down" Reagan, but seems you lack his innate ability that got him his famous rep as "the great communicator."
Work on that ok
Trig

I never learned "Pit Bull", I just like to tease them and hear them bark.
The way you communicate with pit bulls is with a club ( No offense, sweetie ;-) )
Yeah I'm a pit bull, and you're a rat with a painful hip replacement and an infirm wife. No wonder you're in a bad mood. Say what ya will. Won't be back to this particular blog, although congrats are in order for getting quite a bit of attention as compared to your usual couple of comments.
Just read through Bill's thread and laughed as I pictured perfectly in my mind you working yourself up to a foamy rabid lather, at least as much as a little old man can do that. Left a comment there that mentions you, as you had also done the same for me previously a half dozen times or so it seems.
Later rude... you suck at the art of debate, especially compared to Bill. Guess we all have to work with whatever we got. Enjoy whatever time you have left before the home. Relax.. have a few laughs. Go outdoors and sniff some fresh air. Just be sure to take your cell phone in case you fall.
So trig, glad you agree- you absolutely are just as smart as a pit bull

What's your point?
ps

wrong picture trig, picture me laughing my ass off as you and bill try to argue LEGALLY that you have morals, all the while demonstrating how immoral you are- as you are demonstrating here

Thanks for making my point so well in your last comment. You delight in savaging the infirm and the helpless. Killing children is as nothing to you. You are demonstrating your true inner self.

Just wanted you to spell it out for everyone.
Thanks, and you have a nice day. ;-)
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