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MAY 11, 2009 11:04PM

Torture on Trial: Chuckie v. Cheney

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chuckie taylorThose who argue there is no basis for torture prosecutions are wrong – Dick Cheney, meet Chuckie Taylor, aka Charles Taylor Jr., Charles Taylor II, Charles McArthur Emmanuel, Roy M. Belfast, Jr. According to Reuters, he is the first American citizen to be tried under the U.S. Anti-Torture Law.

“Belfast's prosecution on the torture charges was the first ever under a statute that criminalizes torture and provides U.S. courts jurisdiction to hear cases involving acts of torture committed outside the United States if the offender is a U.S. national or is present in the United States, regardless of nationality.”

Diamonds aren’t forever

Taylor is the son of former Liberian dictator Charles Taylor; he was purportedly the model for the maniacal character André Baptiste, Jr., in the movie Lord of War. In January, he was convicted in U.S. District Court and sentenced to 97 years in prison for authorizing the torture of prisoners in Liberia.

Taylor’s father is facing trial in a special court in The Hague on charges that include murder, rape, mutilation, and conscripting child soldiers in neighboring Sierra Leone. Father and son were alleged to be involved in the trade of so-called blood diamonds to finance their wars. They defended their actions as necessary to protect their country from terrorist threats. Sound familiar?

That is not to defend Taylor, far from it. He is a thug who got what he deserved for his heinous crimes – well, maybe not what he deserved, but what a civilized society is able to mete out as punishment. It is to suggest that people in power find it all too easy to justify torture – just as they find it easy to make high-blown speeches about it.

Selective outrage, selective prosecution

“The lengthy prison term handed down today justly reflects the horror and torture that Taylor Jr. visited upon his victims. Our message to human rights violators, no matter where they are, remains the same: We will use the full reach of U.S. law, and every lawful resource at the disposal of our investigators and prosecutors, to hold you fully accountable for your crimes.” Acting Assistant Attorney General Matthew Friedrich, Criminal Division

“This sentence sends a resounding message that torture will not be tolerated here at home or by U.S. nationals abroad. The FBI and our law enforcement partners will continue to investigate such acts wherever they occur.” Executive Assistant Director Arthur M. Cummings, II, FBI National Security Division

It’s easy to be outraged by Taylor and his crimes, but where is the outrage when our own government officials are involved in torture? Where are the prosecutions?

Granted, some of Taylor’s torture methods were even worse than what has been alleged at Gitmo and elsewhere. But the fact some torture may be less excruciatingly painful or less psychologically damaging does not excuse using it, nor should that be an excuse to bar prosecution of those who commit torture.

We don’t do torture – unless it works

Bush and other administration officials insisted “we don’t do torture”; we use “enhanced interrogation techniques”. What do you call it when you replace a two-syllable word with a nine-syllable phrase? Euphemism is nice, but lie is more precise.

The “we don’t do torture” claim was an obvious lie because some of those “enhanced interrogation techniques” were derived from the SERE program, a program intended to use torture – including water-boarding – to make our soldiers more resistant to torture. Yet administration officials insisted “we don’t water-board”, and when that proved to be a lie, they argued “water-boarding isn’t torture”. One thing’s for sure; the Bush administration tortured logic.

The master of tortured logic is Dick Cheney, who insists we ought to continue to do what we didn’t do because it “kept us safe”. Sorry, Dick, but you can’t claim to have not done something and take credit for doing it. Correction; if you’re Dick Cheney, you can claim anything you damned well please – WMD, Saddam/Al Queda Connection, Vice-Presidential Infallibility.

President or precedent – the choice is ours

Comparing Chuckie Taylor and Dick Cheney may offend some. To anyone so offended, I pose this question:  Which man's perfidy caused more death and destruction?

But weighing which of these evils is worse is not the point. The point is the only legal distinction between Taylor’s case and a case against Bush administration officials is that President Bush gave his blessing to one set of crimes and not the other.

But regardless of the tortured legal opinions of White House lawyers David Addington, John Yoo and Jay Bybee, the President is not above the law any more than his co-conspirators. In clear violation of the law, the White House insisted on torture, and the legal “reasoning” used to excuse it would embarrass any first-year law student. Should the torture memos ever end up in court, they would be laughed out.

Clearly, the Chuckie Taylor case has set a precedent, one that ought to strike fear in the heart of anyone in the Bush administration who was involved in authorizing torture. Some believe the statute of limitations will save them, but they are wrong. The ongoing conspiracy did not end until January 20, 2009, leaving eight more years to prosecute. And if anyone died as a result of torture, there is no statue of limitations.

The only thing that can keep these torturers from being brought to justice is the apathy of the American people – and the last eight years should have taught us where apathy leads.

©2009 Tom Cordle

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I will not go quietly on torture.
I'm right there with you.
I was not familiar with the Taylor story. Thanks for writing about it. Interesting analogy.
You're right on the money in every sense I can think of. It shames me to say that the majority of the time I would be listed under "apathy"; arguing the point with some people just leads me down some tiresome roads...
Facts like these, though, need to be given respect and prominence...definitely can't go quietly.

Rated for useful, cogent argument.
Great post. Now we have to see what happens ... I am not one who believes in even a nice, calm, smart president being able to influence whether we prosecute torturers. There is precedent to establish -- for when there is a less nice president. America should not torture. Period.
And Presidents are not above the law.
It's not fair to say that only apathy can stop it.

The Obama administration may be wrong in not prosecuting for reasons that it thinks this will be a distraction, but its reasons are not correctly summed up as apathy. I happen to think they're wrong. I don't buy the case they're making. But I think the case is non-trivial and worthy of respect. Too often we assume that only our own political positions have any merit.

I also heard an analysis the other day that said that if there is any terrorism, the Republicans will use it to say anyone opposing torture and Guantánamo and other things is making us weak. I don't believe that conclusion. But I think the US citizenry is easily manipulated into fear, and I think a politician (e.g., Obama) trying to steer clear of that is not just being apathetic.

I want the torture stopped and the entire chain of command investigated and prosecuted if evidence is found. But I also want the rhetoric to match reality. I think the facts can prevail without leaning too heavily on arguments that need not be made.
Rich -- Thanks, I find apathy in the face of this so appalling I can't find the words

Steve -- Follow the Reuters link for more information, it is quite a story, and of course, it went all but unreported by the MSM
Tom Cordle has been a person, I've long read, and if there is someone who always writes sensibly,and with extreme sensitivity and gentility, it is he.

I, also, will not go quietly on torture.

I'll presume that the defenders will take a new tack as this breaks:

Try googling "Children sodomized at Abu Ghraib" for a taste of the future.

I 'spose the neanderthal niche which hides out here is already preparing their "talking points."
DasAlter -- As the old adage warns "all that's necessary for tyranny to triumph is for good men -- and women -- to remain silent."

Lea -- Thanks for you comments; you have expressed my feelings exactly
Lea, you wrote, “There is precedent to establish -- for when there is a less nice president.” Nicely put.
Kent – I think you’ve taken me where I wasn’t headed. It isn’t Obama’s apathy I was talking about. Frankly, I think he’d like nothing better than to hang Cheney, Rumsfeld and Addison (at least) out to dry – after they’d been “water-boarded” in court.

Certainly Obama is in a vulnerable position, and not just because Dick Cheney is doing everything he can to justify his own evil ways -- while compromising Obama and limiting his options with the specter of the mushroom cloud. Fear has always been the weapon of choice in Cheney’s arsenal.

Obama has not only that ugly problem, but he’s also a Democrat, he’s “inexperienced” and he’s black. He knows he must walk a very fine line, and I appreciate the complexity of his situation. But this is one area where compromise has consequences for the future that are far too grave to ignore. As Lea pointed out in her comment, we may not always have someone as centered as Obama in the White House.

As I said in my post, the apathy that concerns me is public apathy, the same apathy the public demonstrated while remaining mostly silent during the outrages of the previous eight years.
Mark -- Thanks, I'm almost afraid to follow that link. The delusion that we are Us and they are Them, and that there is something innately different between the two is one of the most persistent follies of humankind. If Us is good and Them is evil, the reason we must Just Say No to torture is not to protect Them but to protect Us from becoming Them.
MSM is mainstream media, Tom? I'm in full agreement on this. It must come out, and those responsible must suffer consequences. I really cannot BELIEVE United Statesians are apathetic on this issue.

The Watergate break-in and subsequent cover up is CHILD'S PLAY compared to this. If Watergate were to happen today, I doubt it would make the front page news. Did the Watergate era teach us that all of our political leaders are criminals, and that it's no big deal? Because that's exactly what it feels like. As long as the rich keep getting richer--now directly thieving from taxpayers--the Federal government can continue to do whatever it wants.

This is not the same country in which I was raised. I'm not one of those "The United States is the best country on the planet" spewers because I've never lived anywhere else and couldn't hazard a guess as to how wonderful we are, but I was downright proud of us (for electing Obama) for the first time in many, many years.

Isn't liberalism advocating change (like creating and employing new and useful torture methods), whereas conservatism is hearkening back to a previous incarnation, to preserve what is established? If that's the case, I might be a conservative after all, at least on this issue.

There is never a good enough excuse for torture. Never.
strong impassioned case, Tom, I support every word

in addition to torture, we're holding up a big double standard on the political abuse of journalists, and don't even get me started on the 4th Amendment
Leslie -- While the ticking time bomb scenario affords at least some justification for torture, having to engage in such evil is no reason to go around bragging about as Cheney and others are doing. Even if it is the lesser of evils, it is still evil.

In any case, that scenario is a red herring. Water-boarding a prisoner 183 times isn't a response to an imminent danger. Rather, it speaks of something diabolical in the soul of the torturer, some pleasure derived from the pain and suffering of another human being.

But just as with the Taylors, torture apologists will always find an excuse to justify their evil.
Roy -- As someone raised on Murrow, Cronkite, Sevareid, et al, I am fearful for the future of journalism. Thank God there are a few brave souls still doing what Woodward Bernstein did decades ago. But as Paddy Chayefsky predicted in Network, the future does not bode well for investigative journalism in an age of bean-counters and infotainment.
You know, I have never until now believed in the evil of humankind. I imagined that misguided people thought they were doing the right thing. Rousseau was my man. How naive of me! This is a bitter pill.
I was braced for the worst when Bush-Cheney took the White House. Or so I thought. Nothing prepared me for Abu Ghraib. And Abu Ghraib didn't prepare me for a time when Americans would debate the pros and cons of torture like tort reform and tax policy. Dick Cheney and his ilk inocculated this country with something vile that rots the spirit. Can anything remove the stench?
Tom - I'm glad you mentioned Network. I thought of that movie many times with Dick Cheney in the role of Arthur Jensen. Can't you just see him delivering this speech? "The world is a business, Mr. Beale. It has been since man crawled out of the slime. And our children will live, Mr. Beale, to see that perfect world in which there's no war or famine, oppression or brutality — one vast and ecumenical holding company, for whom all men will work to serve a common profit, in which all men will hold a share of stock, all necessities provided, all anxieties tranquilized, all boredom amused..." The New American Century. It didn't go exactly as planned, but on the whole I expect it has worked out nicely for Jensen/Cheney.
Tom, I think someone could legitimately support Obama's position for reasons other than apathy.
My point is to say that your argument about why we should not do torture is strong enough on its own without suddenly, at the last moment, reaching for an argument that seems more befitting of a schoolyard—saying to someone that if they agree with Obama, they must be apathetic. It's an otherwise solid piece. If it lost the last paragraph, it might feel to you like it had lost its punchline, but to me, it'd be an improvement.
Like Steve, this story was new to me too. Thanks for writing about it.
I remember teaching Charles Taylor and the children completely blown away that such an awful man could have such a great name ...

Great post, Tom.

Just wondering ... how many people do you think died while being tortured at our hands? Is there some kind of formula out there that says something like 1 out of every 32 people dies from waterboarding ... I wonder about stuff like that ~
Leslie – It’s one thing to believe evil exists, it’s another to ignore it, and yet another to accept it

HelloShe – Inoculated is a particularly apt word given the furor over swine flu. Anyone who pays attention to history knows an acceptance of the barbaric is always a consequence of war – which is why real warriors hate war. Five-deferment chickenhawks, on the other hand, see an opportunity to bask in the glory of war while sitting safely behind a desk.

And you’re exactly right about Beale/Cheney/Halliburton. Unfortunately, these days we have no Harry Truman to hold war profiteers feet to the fire.
Kent – I completely agree with you that “someone could legitimately support Obama's position for reasons other than apathy”. So if the shoe doesn’t fit, I must acquit. I would guess a large majority of people on Open Salon are not apathetic about torture.

But where I live, I assure you the majority of people are apathetic, or what’s far worse, pathetic. Embracing the bloodlust of “an eye for and eye”, they openly advocate torture. Gouge out an eye, slice off a hand, waterboard – do whatever it takes to punish the other and extract a pound (at least) of flesh and a confession – even if it’s false. Slay ten thousand of Them for every one of US. Wrapping themselves in religious fervor and righteous fury, they skip blithely past the words of the faith they claim: “Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord” and “He who lives by the sword shall perish by it”.

One day we may learn our lesson about war and what it does to otherwise decent human beings, but it won’t be this day. One day we will understand that the karma of the samurai is to be eternally reborn a samurai.
ChiGuy – I think this story is news to a lot of people – it certainly was to me.

IMom – We will likely never know how many died from torture at our hands, and there’s even less chance we’ll learn how many died after rendition to countries that are far less concerned about such trivial matters as inhumanity. The number who died from torture may be small, but the effect of torture is not – especially in legitimizing the claims of Al Queda recruiters that we’re out to destroy the Muslim world.

I give this country credit for having the discussion about torture – though in my mind, there ought to be no discussion, but ducking prosecution is a shame almost as bad as the crime itself.
Whilst I am not an American, I admire your resolute stand against torture... It is a crime against humanity - all humanity.

We all lose regardless of tribal affiliations, torture needs to end globaly it is disgusting and abhorrent.

"I believe" the sad, but irrefutable fact that America is embroiled in this debate offers hope for a world without torture... It is the power of your democracy and the freedom of your people that gains world attention.
IF America prosecutes the perpetrators, it sends a very powerful message to ALL nations. AND "hope" to all the men and women undergoing torture as we all write...
Thanks Tom
Why Liberia? is my only question. If we're going to end torture, then the victory begins at home, doesn't it?
The fact that America has been reduced to dealing with administration-condoned torture is one of the scummiest things that has ever happened to our country.

No matter what happens, we will never cleanse ourselves of the stench of this disgusting thing that happened at the hands of the Bush Administration.

But…and you know this “but”, Tom…I think giving Obama the time and space to work the way he wants to (which MAY include not prosecuting…or at least, not prosecuting at this time) these miscreants and malefactors… makes sense.

My vote would be to defer to what Obama wants to do in this regard…at least for the time being. If nothing happens by the time his 4 years are up…he will undoubtedly be opposed by people on this issue. Whatever has to be done…can be done then IS THE NATION DECIDES OBAMA HAS TO GO BECAUSE OF THE ISSUE.

I say: Give the guy a chance to do it his way!

And I say that despite the fact that I would like to take the bastards who are at fault and skin them.
That should be "IF THE NATION DECIDES...."
You've made a very good case Tom. I think as long as there are Americans who feel they are above the law because they believe they can manipulate American gullibility and exploit American bias towards insular fear, you will have the like's of Cheney exploiting the system to their advantage. And thus you will have Vietnam's Iraq's and monumental government deficit's to contend with. So yes, a precedent must be sent, and who better than such a smug asshole who has caused your country such immeasurable harm--believe me his legacy will haunt Americans for decades.
I wish more people would get the logic you present here: How reasonable do these explanations sound when they come from someone else? As for the former admin officials, they continue to say we didn't do it, but when we did it, it saved American lives. Again, the impossible stretch that it isn't torture when we do it.
Mal – Thanks for visiting again, and I hope as you do that somehow we will find a way to turn this evil into good.

Esse – The crimes may have occurred in Liberia, but Taylor is American born. He got caught trying to sneak back into the country with a fake passport. By virtue of being a U.S. citizen or being physically in the US, under the Anti-Torture Statute, he was subject to prosecution even if the torture occurred outside the U.S. His case clearly sets a precedent that ought to scare the shit out of govt officials who participated in torture or authorized it at Gitmo or Abu Gharib or anywhere else.
Frank – Actually, as Mal suggested, we may yet be able to turn this evil into a good if we demonstrate that this is a country where torture is unacceptable and is punished. Should high administration officials be prosecuted, it would dull Al Queda’s argument about America’s intentions toward Muslims. And it would demonstrate that unlike many other countries around the world, our leaders are not above the law. That is, IF we prosecute.

And if not now, when? You say revisit this in four years if Obama has done nothing – but do you really believe anyone will have the stomach for this four years from now? Hell, Cheney may very well be dead by then.

Furthermore, this should not be Obama’s call, this is a matter for the law, and that means the decision to prosecute ought to rest with the Attorney-General. If Holder bends the law to satisfy the political needs of the President, he is no better than Gonzales or Mukasey – or frankly, Yoo or Bybee. My friend, I’m afraid we will have to agree to disagree on this.
Newton – Yes, Cheney would be the perfect person to make an example of, particularly since he’s been poisoning the well for more than forty years. My 21 year-old son opened my eyes today, by suggesting torture was a consequence of failing to prosecute Nixon. Or as he put it, Nixon was allowed to get away with saying “You can’t fire me, I quit.” The more I thot about it, the more I concluded he was correct. I promised him I’d post on the matter.

Jimmymac – As you can see from some of the comments, some who want to see torturers prosecuted don’t want to see it done now. But what does it say about us if we place a higher value on recovering the economy than on recovering our self-respect? As Ben Franklin put it, “those who would trade liberty for security deserve neither.”
Never hurts to have some disagreement, Tom. In fact, it can be argued that disagreement is at the heart of democracy.
It's a beautiful day. Torture is diabolical. I oppose it. Let's not ever regress, and get back to mule skinner days. Society may need the long-ear Mule once again.
~
For my sanity:` Garden. by Andrew Marwell. The poem is long. Here are a few lines from the beginning of the beautiful poem, and a few lines at the end. Then, I'm out to hoe for some democracy. Then, I'll attend a vendor's booth table. Then,, attend a farmer market.
Folk need to eat.
Thanks, Tom Cordell.
Respect our fellow bro/sisters
all humans are fellow humanity.
~
Garden.
How vainly men themselves amaze,
To win the palm, the oak, or bays,
And there incessant labour see
Crowned from single herb, or tree,
Whose short and narrow-verged shade
Does prudently their toil upbraid,
While all the flowers and trees do close
To weave the garland of repose!

Fair Quiet, have I found thee here,
And Innocence, thy sister dear ?
Mistaken long, I sought you then
In busy companies of men.
Your sacred plants, if here below,
Only among he plants will grow;
Society is all but rude
To this delicious solitude.
~
(at the end of this long poem)
~
Does through a fragrant zodiac run,
And, as it works, the industrious bee
Computes time as well as we !
How could such sweet and wholesome hours
Be reckoned but with herbs and flowers ? -Andrew Marwell.
Arthur -- A lovely poem; the same sentiment was expressed in Chapter Six of the Gospel of Matthew:

25 "Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing? 26Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?
27Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature?
28"So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; 29and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?
31"Therefore do not worry, saying, "What shall we eat?' or "What shall we drink?' or "What shall we wear?' 32For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. 34Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
Tom,

This is truly amazing. There was a time when I would never have believed I would see my country engaging in this kind of behavior.

Greenwald has an article on Salon.com entitled Obama administration threatens Britain to keep torture evidence concealed

So now our government is threatening the welfare of our allies to keep these crimes covered up. Those who are apologizing for this behavior should simply quit.

RATED
Rick -- As I mentioned in my post Unmasking Myths, we continue to hold onto our illusions about who were are partly because we are ignorant of history.

But this experience with torture proves to me that some people prefer to be ignorant, not only of the past, but of the present. And yet someday in the future, they will say "Who knew this would happen?" Who knew? Anybody who paid attention.
I will be very disappointed if there is no prosecution in all of this. It's wrong on every level.
Tom Cordle.
Those sensible words sure get ignored by the hypocrites on life's stage. What fakes.
'em play horseshoes
in the rain all naked
it just began raining

I 'found' an interesting thinker of independent journalist. Reads from:`Robert Perry. Consortium News dot . com? There is a Tell The World Affiliation. These journalist are the opposite of the FAKE FRAUD FAWNING scribe/pharisee. WOE.

Look up Ray Mc Govern?

Tommy Franks is known to be the stupidest f--- in the 21st century? George Bush is the contender.
Slate magazine says this is so.

The mal-ilk kill humans. They (approve wars. a batch of LIES. they call the fellow humans they slaughter ... "bad guys" ... and are given stars and all sorts of devil adulations. Ugly. Woe. Wait until they get hauled to the graveyard!

The Justice Department's high-level lawyers approve torture etc.,!
O. Low-level. Debased. Depravity. The historical records of the past do denounce that. They kill a Jesus in any size, shape, and form in each and every century.
They are murderous thugs.
They kill by coward proxies.

'Um ignore Geneva Convention, seek out horrid "legal" approvals, and wrangle in the Capital Hill membership club. O. Perpetual hell! They are not funny stage-FRAUD-performers. All of life is the stage.

UGH.

Respected, Mr Ray Mc Govern was a CIA intelligent analyst. Now, he attends the Church of The Savior (an open-minded assembly of moral believers in Washington DC, near Dupont Circle) and is active in a group called:`Tell The World. I may be inaccurate in minor details.`Robert Perry? consortium news?

Joan Walsh has a:` Chaney Lives On:`
Dick Cheney Out of The Bunker Tour?
Tom Tomorrow illustrates:` Insanity.
Tom The Dancing Bug. Tom Foolery.

BTW. My youngest son is a Thomas.
Tom the Dance bug? Ruben Boiling.
I am banned from front page Salon.
~
I'm late.I was to be elsewhere @ 7AM.
Have a day. a 'piece' satirical essay:`
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These are the heroes who despise the Dutch,
And rail at new-come foreigners so much!
Forgetting that they themselves are all derived
From the most scoundrel race that ever lived.
~
Mr Daniel Defoe referred to politicians as:`
nimshites
roughly--
turd thugs
turd thief.
Tom, thank you for bringing the Taylor case to my attention. I blogged on the issue of turture a few weeks ago:

http://open.salon.com/blog/faith_paulsen/2009/04/24/my_30-year_learning_curve_on_the_torture_issue

I completely agree with your last point.

"The only thing that can keep these torturers from being brought to justice is the apathy of the American people – and the last eight years should have taught us where apathy leads."
Faith -- thanks for visiting and for your comments. I'll check out your post.
Tom,
You seriously underestimate the American public's apathy, I'm afraid. They are far more concerned with Mr. Puddinghead's amazing 50 lb. weight drop on the "Biggest Loser" on NBC...

Oh...I see...you mean the American public who follow current events...the so-called "Informed Public".Even with the Republicans down to 20% and dropping, they still got big mouths & convince alot of people that 2 + 2 = 5 if there's a ticking bomb up their asshole. So that leaves a very mighty few....we need more movies with people being excruciatingly tortured...maybe beautiful Hollywood actresses having their...um...you know mutilated...sorry to be so cynical, but it's raining here & i'm bored & watching tv & getting scared by all these ads telling me my prostate is rotting & my liver is maladapted & my brain is ripe for embolisms to strike & my cholesterol is clogging up my lymph glands...and i wish i had a shitload of money like those m-fuckers on tv whom i'm 700 times smarter than on a bad day...gr


Jim. rated
James -- Good to see you again even if you're having a bad here day. Trust me, I have no illusions about how informed or involved or interested are the unwashed masses. All the more reason why those of us who pay attention have a duty to speak out and do whatever else we can to counter the howlings of the Limpbones and Cheneys and the mewlings of administration apologists, onward christian soldiers and corporate capitalist lackeys -- even if our efforts are for naught.
JK -- I mentioned Maher Arar in my comments on another post on OS. The poster made the ridiculous assertion we'd never torture someone unless they were a terrorist. Ironically, that post was from one of those people who think our govt is incompetent at everything but torture. I've noticed people who are blind about torture are usually blind about religion, too, and they also tend to shout loudest that their religion is being trampled on. The irony in all this is worthy of a book.

You said: "The next time Dick Cheney speaks, it should be after swearing an oath to tell the truth in front of judge and jury." I'm all for it, but failing that, maybe we can rendition him and get him waterboarded somewhere like Syria. My god, what that man could confess to!