Dear _____________,
You ask why I stopped communicating with you. I should – but I can’t – resist the temptation to riff on the old saw “a word to the wise is sufficient”. Apparently, tens of thousands of my words weren’t sufficient to make you see the light. Then again, that may be because my words lack wisdom.
Be that as it may, since you have taken the trouble to ask, I feel a duty to be completely honest with you about why I stopped trying to communicate with you. I hope you will take it in the spirit in which it was intended – not in anger, but in resignation. That is to say, I have resigned myself to the fact that the truth does not set some people free.
You and I have profound political differences, differences that had their roots in a tragically misguided belief promulgated on the Right that the solution to all our problems was to get rid of government and leave everything in the control of corporations. It was clear to me thirty years ago where this would inevitably lead, and I hope it is clear to you now, too.
It is said success has many fathers, while failure is an orphan. Never was that more the case than with Supply-Side Reaganomics. Despite his pathetic denials, one father of this bastard child was Alan Greenspan, the Ayn Rand acolyte who just this weekend weaseled yet again with the claim that no one could have foreseen this economic breakdown.
That's an outrageous lie – again, an ignoramus like me saw it coming thirty years ago, and I’ve been saying that to you for as long as we have communicated. The Savings and Loan crisis of the 80's (which we are still paying for) should have served as fair warning to Supply-Side dreamers, but Greenspan and many others locked in their laissez faire religion remained willfully blind to reality. But that religion didn't stop a number of hedge fund managers who foresaw the collapse coming and became billionaires by selling us all short.
When the inevitable and predictable collapse occurred, it was amazing how quickly and easily Supply-Siders gave up their religion – at least long enough to bail-out their bankster buddies. But True-Believers like Larry Kudlow are already back at it, extolling deregulation and Supply-Side even while we are suffering the results of the latest disaster caused by this folly.
To some extent, I can forgive Reagan his part in this disaster because critical thinking was beyond his intellectual abilities. I give Bush the Elder credit because he called Reaganomics what it was – Voodoo Economics, and because he had the political courage to face reality and raise taxes (though not nearly enough to offset Reagan's profligate spending) in spite of his political promises. Clinton, too, gets credit for being honest about taxes – if not his lovelife. His economic acumen was reflected in the budget surplus when he left office.As Clinton succinctly put it, it's the economy, stupid. Problem is some don't understand the economy starts at the bottom when somebody actually produces something. What we needed in 2000 was someone who understood Trickle-Up Economics – what we got was Bush the Lesser.
Bush was probably brighter than Reagan, but despite his Harvard MBA, he was even more ignorant of economics. You've heard me say many times he will go down as the worst president in US history, and the fact he was returned to office in 2004 despite his glaringly obvious deficiencies is to the everlasting shame of a majority of American voters.
I remind you that despite his narrow victory in 2004, Bush claimed to have been given a "mandate" and that his first priority in his second term was to privatize Social Security. That he made that his first priority while we were still in the middle of two wars speaks volumes about his leadership.
It also leads me to suspect someone in his administration was already aware the financial house of cards was going to fall before his second term ended – unless trillions of dollars in Social Security funds were injected into the Wall Street Ponzi scheme. Had Bush gotten his way, it is very likely the collapse would have been forestalled until he was out of office.
But can you imagine where retirees would be now if Bush had succeeded? It’s bad enough millions saw their 401K’s and private pension plans gutted or destroyed, but if those trillions in Social Security funds had been gambled away on financial casino bets – well, that’s too awful to contemplate. Thank god he was thwarted in that effort!
It pains me to remind you – reluctantly but necessarily – that after having twice voted for the worst President in US history, you sent me an email the day after Obama was elected – before he was inaugurated – before he had done anything – with a picture of Obama as Hitler with the caption "Don't blame me – I voted for the American!"
That was the last straw for me … I thought about the hours upon hours I had spent trying to reason with you, directing you to sites that would easily debunk the nonsense you sent me – and I guess I simply gave up. That was what elicited my reaction – a quick email reply: You can’t fix stupid.
You replied in kind, as I expected, and at that point, I saw no point in continuing to try to reason with someone who attacked a President who had been dealt the worst hand since FDR without even giving him a chance. You were not alone, of course, the putative "loyal opposition" behaved like spoiled children, voting en masse – like a school of fish – even against their own proposals, and brazenly hoping aloud for Obama's failure.
To be fair, I have been critical of Obama on many fronts – including failure to prosecute torturers and failure to use single-payer at least as a bargaining chip in the healthcare reform debate.
I have roundly, loudly and frequently criticized HCR as too little too late. I could go into a lengthy discussion about HCR, but I fear it would be to no avail because you likely view trying to resolve an intractable problem that has been with us since the country's founding and that was first seriously addressed more than a century ago by Republican Teddy Roosevelt – as just another socialist plot.
I spent a great deal of time over roughly fifteen years trying to reason with you about these things, and as I said, pointing to neutral sites that could correct the horrible lies being disseminated by Faux News and on the Internet by hateful divide and conquer political operatives like Karl Rove, political operatives not the least interested in making an argument for their policies, but in merely spreading lies to a public too lazy and too indoctrinated to even try to find the truth.
At almost any hour of the day, you can find someone on Faux News lying – not exaggerating, not misinformed, not misguided – simply lying – no, not simply lying – outrageously lying. Why? Because Murdoch, Ailes, Hannity, O’Reilly and Beck are making a fortune from lying. This is nothing new for Murdoch – he's been doing it for decades with his smutty newspapers. But deregulation of the airwaves – the people's airwaves so we're told – under Reagan greased the skids for Murdoch and his freak show filled with Dittoheads, plunging necklines and crotchshot news "readers".
Now thirty years of preaching hatred for the government are beginning to come home to roost, and the lunatics are beginning to take over the asylum – armed militias plot to overthrow the government, a lunatic shoots down a doctor in his own church in a heinous act putatively committed to show his "respect for life", another lunatic steals an airplane and flies it into an IRS office to protest taxes, and on April 19th, armed gun nuts plan to march on DC to commemorate Waco and the OK City bombing. And millions cheer these atrocious acts.
I hope you aren’t one of them, and I hope you don't condone such acts – any more than I condoned the violence on the Left back in the Sixties. But the fact that so few on the Right are speaking out against violence does tacitly, at least, condone such acts – and worse, it encourages more of it. Politicians and pundits egg-on this nonsense or remain silent, hoping to make political hay and profit from fear. But if these fools think they can control the mob once it’s loosed, they know nothing about history.
I hope America can survive its present straits … an economic disaster brought on by Voodoo Economics … a decaying infrastructure made worse by thirty years of neglect in favor of wastrel military spending and massive tax cuts for the wealthiest among us … the utter destruction of what was once the world’s greatest workforce – a workforce that did as much to win WWII as our military … the divide and conquer politics perpetrated on America's least informed citizens by political operatives who care not a whit for them, but only for greasing the skids for their friends the Have-Mores.
I'm sorry if you don't see things this way, but I suspect that if you don't it may be because you don’t want to admit to yourself – let alone me – that you've been duped. But you have been duped, and you are far from alone. I've given you the danger signs before – people who spout slogans rather than offer programs, and people who deliberately mislabel policies to mean the opposite of their real intent.
At the moment, one of the most glaring examples of mislabeling is filling the TV screen with horror, as another two dozen miners and their extended families fall victim to the Clear Skies Initiative – a program intended not to clear the skies but to clear the way for coal companies to ruin the environment and ignore safety regulations.
Over the last century, more than a hundred-thousand miners lost their lives in mining accidents. Even more died a miserable premature death from black-lung, and it is estimated at least 20% of miners have liver and kidney disease. Schools in coal country are permeated with coal dust, and in many places well-water isn't fit to drink.
I’m sure coal industry executives do not factor in the cost of these things when touting the low per btu cost of coal. But somebody sure as hell pays the price.
In any case, I hope this finds you well, and I hope all my efforts to shed a little light over the past 15 years or so weren't completely for naught.
Tom


Salon.com
Comments
BTW, its time to buy stocks in Citi, stock symbol C. I got mine on Monday.
John McCain 3/22/10: "There will be no cooperation for the rest of the year."
Yep, got it, John, apparently your definition of "maverick" is different than mine.
But not to me.
Yes, but it's a mighty fine choir
Ocular
I hope the profits you reaped go for something more important than a $6,000 shower curtain or a million-dollar birthday bash for a soon-to-be ex-wife
Libmomrn
Thanks for the kind words, and yes, this is another classic example of those who don't learn from the past are condemned to repeat it
You're probably right, but in this past this sort of missive has resulted in threats to be my ass -- that sort of reaction reminds me of the violent reaction to Satanic Verses or the Danish cartoons -- by the very nature of their protest they confirm the criticism
Cranky
John-Boy now claims he's not a maverick after all -- whodathunkit
OE
Evil incarnate, eh? I prefer to think of myself as Lucider rather than Lucifer ;-)
You're probably right that this will be ignored by rtwingers, but in this past this sort of missive has resulted in threats to beat my ass. That sort of reaction reminds me of the violent reaction to Satanic Verses or the Danish cartoons -- by the very nature of their protest, rtwingnuts -- whaterever their stripe -- confirm the criticism
Cranky
John-Boy now claims he's not a maverick after all -- whodathunkit
OE
Evil incarnate, eh? I prefer to think of myself as Lucider rather than Lucifer ;-)
susan
Thanks
Another good rant, Tom. Love it. Lemme know if you think it has a positive effect on anything we're trying to accomplish here. I've been doing the same thing and I don't believe it's working. So I'm wondering what we do now...
Might be a good time to put John Sayles' "Matewan" in the Netflix queue.
Our responsibility is to speak our piece as best we know how and let the chips -- and the insults -- fall where they may
Kevin
Matewan, indeed, everything old is new again. I also recommend this song by Darrel Scott, if you haven't heard it:
You'll Never Leave Harlan Alive
.
I do have to disagree on HCR but there's a very good reason that I disagree about the alleged benefits of it. Several of them. First, calling insurance reform "health care" is about like calling mountain top mining "clean". Second, the legislation specifically exempted the Indian Health Service from reform. Sorry but exempting IHS is blatant racism... remember that IHS are the people who routinely deny medical treatment to Native Americans with cancer. Can anyone be honest and say "Ongoing genocide" with regards to the LACK of medical care that is available through IHS? Lastly, Insurance is not even the much vaunted "access to" medical care for areas that are under-served with regards to health care to start with. Insurance is nothing other than a payment vehicle ... if the care isn't there to start with having the means to pay for health care isn't going to make a blind bit of difference.
I might add... Coal will *never* be a "clean" fuel source for anything. There are better and cleaner alternatives but talking about my preference for alternatives to coal will have to wait.
Prolly just as well -- it would surely get a vile reaction if you posted it on your FB. Not to bring up a sore subject, but I find it perversely laughable that rtwingers hang on Beck's every word -- don't they know he's Mormon? That certainly seems at odds with the fundie christian leanings of most baggers
You'll bet no argument from me on either score -- the policy at DoI seems to still be the only good Indian is a dead one, and HCR is a loooooooogng way from what I wanted.
We're told that half a loaf is better than none, but this HCR strikes me as being severely overcharged for a moldy, old crust of bread.
The deeper you research the conspiracy, the more hideous it all gets, so ultimately it's a question of how deep down the rabbit hole do you want to go...? And then, no matter where you stand on the issues, what can we do to resolve this madness; or is it impossible? in which case we are resolved only to fallen chips and insult; which merely brings us back to 'an eye for an eye.'
I know you better than to think you prescribe to that.
Those of us who feel a responsibility to shed our light (knowing that the knuckleheads who believe otherwise are doing the same thing, and that they will not change their mind any more than you will...) must finally reach a point of revelation, past inspiration, when... Hmmm.
Short of communication, which isn't working, we humans have shown a well documented pattern of behavior and 'problem solving' that generally involves environmental degradation and ritualistic extermination. I believe we are seeing this in process in a few places around the world right now, including a highly evolved version of it here in our country. It fits right into the philosophy and strategy of the new world order, which is responsible for the madness in the first place. And the circle goes 'round and 'round.
This is why I return to the issue of finding a new way to reach our goal of peace and prosperity. We are still explorers seeking the Northwest passage to the Orient, and this continent is what's between us and our goal. We live on it now. We are a part of it, and it is a part of us (U.S.)
...and the Orient, ironically, is a maze of truth and fiction and wealth and degradation; not unlike the separate reality we find ourselves in here.
Or, as Dwight D. Eisenhower so aptly put it, once upon a time, 'Things are more like they are now than they've ever been before...'
Just worse.
Perhaps I should have posted all this in a blog of my own, but then who would read it?
Aside from that quibble, this is a great posting, but let me make three or four stupid points:
First, change your type face. This one is readable, but it looks like shit, on my computer anyway. Remember, when you are trying to reach people who haven't risen above the level of the coloring book, you have to make it easier to read.
Second, preaching to the choir is very important, because we have to keep the converted converted. The constant, unremitting barrage of right edge - it's no longer a wing - bullshit undermines the faith of even the most faithful. People need to hear the truth over and over again because, otherwise, the lies seep in almost unnoticed until even the reasonably intelligent begin to wonder about where the smoke is coming from.
Third, why is it that NO ONE seems to relate the collapse of our economy to the free trade policies we've been pursuing since Ronald Reagan took office. I give Reagan due respect for his great achievement, burying the Soviet Union in their own bullshit, but the free trade agreements, which essentially eliminated all protective tariffs, have undermined the American economy to the extent that "we don't make nothin' here any more," as Bob Dylan sang back in 1983 in the truly amazing but little heard song, "Union Sundown" on the "Infidels" album. (That's the same album where you will find the curiously topical "Neighborhood Bully.")
The great fallacy behind free trade agreements was that Americans would benefit from the importation of cheaper foreign manufactures, thus forcing American corporations to become more competitive, blithely ignoring the fact that a free nation employing well-paid workers cannot compete with megalithic entities who employ people at starvation wages and often resort to slave labor to produce the goods they sell us.
The theory that we could export affluence without importing poverty, even more than the savings and loan scandal, or the travesty of the banking crisis, or the health care disaster, is the single, solitary reason that we are failing and will continue to fail as a nation. We gave our prosperity away, and the only way to get it back is to close our borders to foreign manufactures and force ourselves to build up basic industries again.
Since you are well-read (puns intended) and I'm not, I thought I would impose on your good will to make this point to our brethren who are still asleep and haven't yet realized this essential fact:
The world needs access to our markets, because our markets represent their profit margins, but we don't need their goods. There's nothing they make that we can't make, as long as the price is right. The mollification of the American electorate with cheap foreign goods dulled us to the fact that every foreign product imported here represents a job exported overseas.
We are the only country in the world that can function as a self-sustaining entity. Everyone else needs foreign markets to sustain their industrial growth.
Last point: I haven't forgotten about the bumper stickers.
That morning there was a shift in the slag hill, followed by the mountain of slag crashing down without warning on everything that stood in its way. The villagers lost their children in minutes that morning. The coal which had provided livelihoods had destroyed what mattered most. May we not know our own Aberfans as we all move forward from here. May we all stop for a few moments and think deeply about what matters to us. May friends/foes on the right or happily up on horses so high stop being silenced by voices who seduce them and care nothing about them, voices and words that you describe so well here.
As you said so long ago in that e-mail, Tom, you can't fix stupid.
NEVER assume that the idiots are really idiots. A lot of them are merely misinformed, sometimes deliberately so, but often because they have fallen under the sway of some demagogue or fellow traveler who bucks them up to the sticking point.
Those people are the battleground, the ones we have to convert....but convert to what? All we have is the Democratic party and I'm afraid that's not much to hang your hat on.
The truth is that we need a new party, just not the one that seems to be forming...and that's a dilemma for which I have no answer.
Or as Burt Lancaster's character put it in The Leopard "Things must change so they can remain the same."
Dr Spud
Lake Woebegone and Mayberry are fictional places, a fact lost on rtwingers who imagine that with only a little extra effort, everyone can be exceptional. So much for their math skills.
Your comment deserves a post of its own in reply. First let me say the typeface is Georgia, a very common and highly recommended typeface because it is one that is resident on most every computer. Your mileage may vary.
And for the record, by Reaganomics I mean a whole series of policies adopted for the benefit of those who least need govt help. That includes massive tax cuts, deregulation and what you allude to -- globalization. Globalization was billed as the "rising tide that lifts all boats", but in fact, as Nader quipped, it was the "rising tide that lifts all yachts."
I dealt with that subject in a previous post where I coined a word more representative of that folly: Gobbleization, defined as:
Gobblization – the gobbling up of profits by corporate crapitalists, it can be easily identified by the giant sucking sound that accompanies it; gobblization is the practical effect of an impractical and insanely optimistic economic theory called globalization that holds unrestrained and unregulated flow of capital will ease political tensions by raising wages and living standards in poor countries; in practice, globalization merely exports jobs to low wage countries with poor or non-existent environmental standards and thereby eliminates jobs and lowers wages in developed nations, thus increasing political tensions around the world; defenders of globalization resort to a tired cliche, proclaiming it "a rising tide that lifts all boats", but in practice it is a tsunami that sinks all life-rafts
See my 21st Century Political Dictionary Research for more of the same.
.
Thanks for the kind words, and I'm happy to have you in the choir. I posted a link to Darrel Scot's You'll Never Leave Harlan Alive, but for those who don't follow the link, here's the lyrics:
In the deep dark hills of eastern Kentucky
That's the place where I trace my bloodline
And it's there I read on a hillside gravestone
You will never leave Harlan alive
Oh, my granddad's dad walked down
Katahrins Mountain
And he asked Tillie Helton to be his bride
Said, won't you walk with me out of the mouth
Of this holler
Or we'll never leave Harlan alive
Where the sun comes up about ten in the morning
And the sun goes down about three in the day
And you fill your cup with whatever bitter brew you're drinking
And you spend your life just thinkin' of how to get away
No one ever knew there was coal in them mountains
'Til a man from the Northeast arrived
Waving hundred dollar bills he said I'll pay ya for your minerals
But he never left Harlan alive
Granny sold out cheap and they moved out west
Of Pineville
To a farm where big Richland River winds
I bet they danced them a jig, laughed and sang a new song
Who said we'd never leave Harlan alive
But the times got hard and tobacco wasn't selling
And ole granddad knew what he'd do to survive
He went and dug for Harlan coal
And sent the money back to granny
But he never left Harlan alive
Where the sun comes up about ten in the morning
And the sun goes down about three in the day
And you fill your cup with whatever bitter brew you're drinking
And you spend your life just thinkin' of how to get away
Where the sun comes up about ten in the morning
And the sun goes down about three in the day
And you fill your cup with whatever bitter brew you're drinking
And you spend your life digging coal from the bottom of your grave
In the deep dark hills of eastern Kentucky
That's the place where I trace my bloodline
And it's there I read on a hillside gravestone
You will never leave Harlan alive
Yeah, the comes a point when you stop trying to communicate in order to maintain your sanity -- or as I said, after the anger comes resignation and then acceptance of the inevitable -- does that progression sound familiar?
Sage
I don't consider these people idiots -- I do consider them either ignorant or willfully blind
Black Bart
See me comment above to Sage, when people repeat absolute nonsense that could be easily refuted there's something else wrong with them
Two Thumbs
All history is edited to fit someone's point of view -- but is there anything I said here that isn't factually correct? Obviously the judgment of history about Bush the Lesser being the worst in US history is not quite fait accompli, but don't bet against it.
There's smoke comin' from my computer screen after that one! Yikes!
The frustration with those who refuse to see, despite the overwhelming evidence that is beating them over the head to get them to see it, is boundless, I feel.
There was a favorable development recently regarding patents on genes and a new court ruling regarding that issue. My latest post go over that ruling a little, should you like to check out something that almost seems hopeful.
RATED RANT!
I went for a run today after a day off. I have been sick, and it is a bit depressing to miss days for working out. I pushed it and got a good runners high. While I was running I thought about the direction that our country is going. It is hard to say, and I can't say that I know what will happen. I hated the way that Jimmy Carter was treated and I worry about the current admin. Reagan and Reaganomics were all that you said, and more (or less). I worry that we will be taken in by that sort of idiocy again. But I had a feeling that it will work out somehow. The Greenspans, and the Friedmans will come and go. They will have their moments of influence. But if the Tom Cordles keep doing as you have done here, reason will prevail. Thanks for this excellent post.
That's not the question. What the "learned" was that they coukld make a lot of money breaking the rules and even when they got caught, nobody was going to make them give it back. What incentive would they have to change their tactics?
The more important questions is, "Have we learned anything yet?"
--A member of the choir :-)
Where there’s smoke, there’s fire – I’ll amble on over to your place once I get caught up here
Bill Beck
Thanks. People can say what they will about Carter, but if we had followed the energy policies he laid out in the 70’s, things would be very different today
This rates a "WOW", Tom! It is honest and solid, and that means an awful lot these days.
TS
My favorite class was always recess
Anna1liese
My dad was from Eastern KY, so the words of that song strike way too close to home
Sobeit
Anthony
Good to see you back. My son describes Libertarianism as the Scientology of politics. While in principle, I agree with much of the philosophy, putting it in practice would require a Spartan society we haven’t seen since – well, the Spartans, and I think we know what happened to them.
As for me, if the choice is being governed by the whims, speculations and unmitigated greed of corporate executives or by an over-protective govt – the latter is the lesser of the two evils.
I’m with you, I think we’ve trained WS way too well, and vice versa. There is simply no justification for an economic society in which 25 men make 25 billion in a single year by impoverishing everyone else
Rob
Howdy, stranger! Turn to page 473 in you hymnal
Roy
Thanks for a word from the wise
I'll post this on facebook for my family members (that I love) that buy into the sloganism (and hatred) of Fox News.
Like you, I have tried, to no avail, to get them to focus on specifics and research-based solutions.
Anyway, Write on Tom!
I do have friends on the other side (moderate Republicans -- not the selfish ones with an agenda), and we don't talk about politics. That's the only way we go on, but I'm distubed that even in this era of "relative" prosperity we are so deeply divided. What will happen when we face catastrophic circumstances?
Thanks, and if you have said that before, that’s okay – I never tire of hearing how wonderful I am ;-) Good luck with your family.
Sally
I am a voice crying in the wilderness, and this is an oasis. – and you are the balm in Gilead.
ClarkK
Thanks, but I doubt it can stop a speeding bullet or leap tall buildings in a single bound
"What will happen when we face catastrophic circumstances?"
I think they made a movie about that -- it was called There Will Be Blood
"What will happen when we face catastrophic circumstances?"
I think they made a movie about that -- it was called There Will Be Blood
Your argument for not talking to those on the right is almost dead on the same reasoning those on the right do not talk to the left. Same logic, same "tired of trying to enlighten" the same blame for the economy, education, war, etc. If only they could see things just like me how wonderful the world would be. Besides my side is not to blame for any of the problems it's always the other side that screwed things up.
I think when we surround ourselves (I include myself in the we) with those who think and respond just like us the ability to think with any objectiveness is greatly handicapped. It is human nature to want to be around those who think just like us, but while it may provide a certain amount of comfort it results in ingrown stagnate thinking and eventually a social downward spiral.
I enjoy your blogs and insights, but would have to disagree with your reasoning on this one.
I haven’t given up on all my rightwing friends – just this one, for reasons that ought to be obvious from this post
Tim4change
As I said to Kenny above, this doesn’t apply to everyone on the right – only those who refuse to listen
While there is a grain of truth in what you say, it’s the same grain of truth that allows Fux News to claim to be “fair and balanced” because it presents both sides of an argument – one side by a scientist who has devoted his life to studying the subject matter and the other side presented by a village idiot who disagrees – it’s the same sort of “logic” that argues Obama is a Kenyan because he hasn’t produced documentation that would satisfy the lunatic fringe, it’s the same “logic” that sees torture as acceptable but healthcare reform as evil. You’re bright enough to know better than to suggest that both sides are equally correct or equally mistaken – that is demonstrably not the case. Sorry, but this time we’ll have to agree to disagree
Thanks for the kind words. You said “they are unable to learn even from the most painful of experiences”. Sad, but true.
As I mentioned in this piece, the S&L crisis alone should have been enough to sound the alarm. I’ve been watching Robert Rubin and Chuck Prince wiggle and squirm in testimony about this crisis, and like Greenspan, they insist no one saw this coming. Frankly, I don’t believe that’s true, but even if it is true, why are these two clowns who failed so miserably still living high on the hog? Why aren’t they broke and on the street looking for work like the rest of us they impoverished with their lack of foresight – if that’s what it was? The answer is simple – the system isn’t working anymore.
It is not a matter of equally right or wrong. There is not some monolith of right and left doctrine that everyone accepts. And why does one position have to be right or left. Can't each issue be debated on its individual merits without being tagged right or left?
The font is fine.
But, considering the fact that you are adressing the political right, I would suggest a larger size, fewer syllables, and stick-figure illustrations.
The example you chose makes my point, not yours. If you think Fux News and CNN are equally partisan, you are sadly mistaken. And every time one of my rtwing friends makes that sort of argument, they render the rest of their argument suspect.
I'm perfectly willing to discuss the merits of policies -- I'm just not willing to do so with someone who starts the discussion by declaring Obama both a Fascist and a Communist, both a Muslim and a bad Christian (Rev Wright). There is no way of carrying on a meaningful conversation with someone so ignorant or willfully blind.
Look at my posts -- I have criticized Obama more in a year than my rtwing friends criticized Bush in eight years -- in fact, they didn't criticize him at all until his ignorance and incompetence started taking money from their pockets. And now they want to blame the financial collapse on Obama -- as if Bush had nothing to do with it.
The worst of the lot would have voted for Bush yet again rather than vote for Obama -- I know, they've told me so. And worst of the worst have told me why -- they don't want a Black Man in the White House.
Thanks for the laugh of the day -- I needed that.
It does not matter for the sake of discussion. My only point is both the left and right say the same thing. They hold the same arrogant idea that only they have the answers and all the problems of the world are the other guys fault. As a result both sides make broad generalized statements about groups of millions of people based on a few out spoken and sometimes total whack jobs. Are all liberals pro choice, no actually there is a large number of democrats who are pro-life. Are all conservatives pro war? No many believe not only is unjustified war immoral, but the United States has no right to invade another country because they "might" be a future enemy. And the list goes on.
In Washington there is no dialog no consensus and no movement either way. Each side is deadlocked and are happy to make every issue either right or left to keep everyone fighting and not talking.
What will bring down this country is the constant snarking and name calling. Each camp content to let Rome burn when the other party is in office instead of taking ownership of problems both parties have created.
Is this where I say some of my best friends are Conservatives? Perhaps the title of this piece thru you off, but do you really imagine I was directing this to all conservatives? I understand full well that true conservatives have a legitimate role to play in achieving balance and consensus.
Unfortunately, true conservatives have become an endangered species in America of late. Where is today's William F. Buckley? These days, his son gets fired for speaking the truth. True conservative like George Will have been largely replaced by crass assholes like Limbaugh or lunatics like Glenn Beck. Hell, Murdoch now owns the WSJ!
True conservatives have no one to blame for all this but themselves. When they allowed conservative ideology to be co-opted by the politics of greed and the raving of the rabid religious right, they gave up a lot more than their right to legitimacy -- it appears they gave up their eventual existence.
Admittedly their decline and fall wasn't only their fault; propagandists like Rove have made it very dangerous for true conservatives and even more dangerous for conservative moderates. Thus an old-time conservative like Chuck Grassley feels compelled to spout nonsense about death panels just to keep his job. Ditto for John McCain, who now denies even being a maverick who occasionally disagreed with rtwingnuts.
Personally, I welcome the occasions -- which are becoming more and more rare -- when I can have an intelligent conversation with someone who disagrees with me without being disagreeable.
As for TV, I am well-aware that one of my favorites, Keith Olbermann, presents the news with a partisan slant -- however, it is one thing to present the news in a slanted fashion; it is quite another to make shit up or to pass on information you know to be false as is the norm on Fux. One tell-tale sign of the difference is Olbermann is often critical of Obama -- while Fox was rarely if ever critical of Bush.
This is eloquent and well thought out (as it should be after 30 years).
Well done.
Thanks, but I must confess to anger as well as resignation, especially when code words like "states rights" "nullification" "secession" and "revolution" are used to incite the ignorant mob. As one congressman from West TN recently put it "these people are the Klan without the hoods".
There is a growing body of research that suggests the Left/Right political divide is hard-wired. To grossly generalize, the Left tends to be anti-authoritarian and the Right authoritarian. While there seems to be some truth in that, it certainly doesn't explain the anti-authoritarian rhetoric of the current Right.
Thanks, you are always so free with your praise -- that's what keeps me hangin' on
Good for you, and congratulations. As you say, it ought to be easy to find common ground on economic issues. Ought to be, but sadly, too often isn't. The problem is so many of these folks are so ignorant of even the most basic economics -- I mean how do you reason with someone who argues "don't socialize my Medicare"?
Thanks again
That is so obvious, why didn't I think of it before!!!! -R-for Rooted in the truth
Thanks for visiting -- my son calls me Captain Obvious, and he doesn't intend it as a compliment.
You've mentioned that they aren't idiots; they are either ignorant or willfully obtuse. That was my assessment as well - it seems that there is a certain dynamic akin to drug-abuse, with stupidity as the drug of choice. The drug, the user, and the dealers. Political substance abuse. As long as there are those willing to drink the tea, there will be those who pump them full of lies and play upon their ignorance for their own gain. Imagine if we spent as much money on the war on stupidity ... some critical thinking lessons, perhaps.
Anyway - love your take on this....again - well done!
Thanks for your glowing comment. I guess what troubles me most about all this is the idea -- as a few voiced even in comments here -- that this is simply a "disagreement" between two equally valid points of view. No, it's not.
Flights of infancy about birth certificates or communism or death panels are arguments so dishonest, they are not worth refuting -- especially since those who hold with such nonsense aren't listening anyway -- their minds are made up, they don't want to be confused with facts.
That isn't to say the other side doesn't have valid arguments about healthcare reform or deficits or whatever. There are very real arguments to be made on both sides of these matters. But unfortunately, almost no one on the Right is making them -- they're far too busy making shit -- crazy shit -- up.
For instance, we need to have a serious discussion about end of life healthcare costs, since it is estimated that a third to a half of Medicare expenditures are for people in the last year of life -- and that will only get worse with an aging population. It should be noted that we don't do so now, and an estimated 45,000 people die prematurely every year because they don't have health insurance.
But if we as people conclude that every measure must be taken in every case to prolong life to the absolute maximum then we must be prepared to pay for that. And it will be very expensive.
Nothing in this healthcare reform addresses this problem, but that didn't stop the batshit crazies from pretending it did and lunatics and opportunists alike went around screaming about death panels killing off grandma. Given that sort of hysteria, it isn't likely we will ever have the painful but necessary discussion about Last Exits.
I think much of the blame comes from the media that is content to categorize people as separate monoliths at opposite ends of the spectrum working as one. It is so much easier to label people as this or that and then discount their views based on the label. What a waste of energy.
I enjoy reading your stuff and you make a lot of good observations. Should I just discount everything you say because you are liberal or conservative? There is an old proverb "Iron sharpens iron" it is the discourse and debate between opposite opinions that forges new ideas, not singular thought among same groups. That only produces stagnation.
You are repeating yourself, and it appears misreading what I have said here and elsewhere. At the risk of repeating myself (again), I'm not discounting the arguments of Conservatives, but I am discounting the arguments -- such as they are -- of those who resort to patently false claims -- Obama's a Muslim-Fascist-Communist-Socialist-Anti-Christ-Hitler, healthcare reform is about death panels, the census is a ruse to send people to re-education camps -- and of course the latest absurdity from reputed historian Newt Gingrich -- Obama is the most radical President in US history. Hogwash, and Gingrich clearly knows better, but since he resorts to such a ludicrously false claim, it makes it difficult to listen to much else he has to say -- just a it was hard to give much credence to his moral posturing about Clinton's sex life, since he was busy cheating on his hospitalized wife. In the end, you can't really have a meaningful discussion with a village idiot or a professional liar -- no matter which side of the political spectrum the embrace.
I have one wish, and none of us can do anything about it: they took the Minnesota Nice out of Michelle Bachmann; now I wish they would take Michelle Bachmann out of Minnesota. Far, far away.
I have it on good authority that Bachmann Turncoat Hyperdrive represents the ONLY district in MN that could possibly elect someone like her. On the other hand, let us not forget that Minnesotans gave us Jesse "The Body" Ventura, Tim "Plasticman" Pawlenty and Norm "Pitbull" Coleman. Coleman was replaced by comedian Al Franken -- who I suspect will make an even better senator than he did a comedian.
Still, MN is head and shoulders above CA, which has given the world two awful actors turned worse politicians Rancid Raygun and Arnold "Squirminator" Schwarzennegger.
Then there's SC which holds the record for longest continuing idiocy starting with John C. Calhoun and continuing with Strom "Darkie's Daddy" Thurmond. SC presently features a race to the bottom with Mark "The Nekkid Hiker" Sanford, Jim "Dr Demento" Dement and Joe "You Lie" Wilson.
But even SC is miles ahead of TX, which gave us W. After that, it's no contest.
As for the Body - he's where he belongs, hosting a cable conspiracy-theory show.
And Franken is smart - much smarter than people think. Smarter than a pit bull.
Bachmann's district is an aberration. She is an abomination.
It's good to see Senator Tom Coburn talking some sense about this, and he's exactly right -- nobody's going to talk you seriously about your real argument if it is immersed in nonsense and vitriol -- well, I shouldn't say nobody, millions of fools take Beck and Limbaugh seriously -- that's the problem
Franken is a comedian who's proven to be an astute politician, whereas many politicians have proven to be accidental comedians
Well, at least you have friends on that side who can read
Sad but true, indeed
Thanks for the false dichotomy, but I'm sure you are aware there are many choices other than absolute capitalism and absolute communism.
I am always amazed that otherwise intelligent people buy into Rand's sophomoric nonsense. "Enlightened self-interest" is another of those belief systems that sounds good on paper, but in practice it means someone gets "enlightened" of their life savings or their pension.
Yeah, as much as I think you have to give it a shot, fifteen years is enough of a shot.
Kudos to Chicken Maan for sending you here -- I was about to do that myself after reading your repost today that deals with much the same subject.