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"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and incur my own abhorrence." Frederick Douglass __________________________________ "There's only one way to win in this world and that's to like yourself." Harry's Ghost __________________________________ “And let it be noted that there is no more delicate matter to take in hand, nor more doubtful in its success, than to set up as a leader in the introduction of change. For he who innovates will have as his enemies all who are well off under the existing order of things, and only lukewarm supporters in those who might be better off under the new. This lukewarm temper arises partly from the incredulity of mankind, who will never admit the merit of anything new, until they have seen it proven by the event.” Niccolo Machiavelli, The Prince, Chapter VI

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SEPTEMBER 22, 2011 7:25PM

Arbeit Macht Frei

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Arbeit Macht Frei Work Makes Free thus the Nazis added grievous insult to grievous injury with the sign that hung over the entrance to the concentration camp at Auschwitz.

I confess I use that expression with some reluctance, since some resent the comparison of any evil with the Holocaust. I understand it’s a very emotional issue for some, but I don’t accept that nothing compares to that evil. Genghis Khan, Stalin, Pol Pot – sad to say, there have been many holocausts on this planet, including the holocaust perpetrated on blacks and Indians in “exceptional” America. 

In any case, this isn’t a post about genocide, at least not in the strictest sense. No, this is about the delusion that work will make you free. Sorry, to crush your dreams, young people, but for most of you, it won’t. In fact over the last three decades, the workplace has become more and more a plantation of sorts, a place where a form of economic slavery is practiced. Freedom, in the sense of economic freedom at least, has become far less likely for you than it was for your grandparents.

That’s a statistical fact, but let’s skip the statistics – those are too often the last refuge of rightwingnut losers intent on proving that down is up and black is white. No, let me instead resort to what used to have some credence in this world – that is, the voice of experience. But alas, that voice seems to have fallen on deaf ears these days.

• • •

Nearly half a century ago – God how it pains me to say that -- I dropped out of college after my freshmen year at Michigan State, and I began my real education in the world of wage slaves, working in the foundry – a place as close to hell as I ever hope to be. If you’ve seen the opening sequences of The Deerhunter, you have some idea what I’m talking about.

Before I go further, let me anticipate the usual specious comments from the Libertarian trolls in the OS neighborhood, who are sure to argue that it was my “choice” that doomed me to my “fate”. Sorry, guys, but this isn’t about me – or you and your infantile political “philosophy”. Save it for Ayn Rand when you meet her and Alan Greenspan in Hell.

No, this is about Jams Grins, and yes, I’m using his real name because I’m pretty sure he’s no longer with us, and I’m even more certain he wouldn’t be able to read this in any case. How do I know that? Because Jams Grins is how he used to spell his name on his timecard. Jams? That’s James to the rest of us. Grins? I have no idea how his last name was spelled, but he pronounced it like “grinds”.

While the trolls are quite right that I had the potential to escape Hell, and in fact I eventually did, that was not the case with James. No, James had reached the high point of his “career”. There would be no upward mobility for James, no matter how hard he worked, he would be exactly what he was – a foundry rat – for the rest of his life. If he was lucky.

That didn’t keep James from dreaming, of course, and on many occasions, he would cast a woeful sigh and say “I wish I’d a listened to my momma, I might be a doctor or a lawyer now.” And whenever James moaned his foolish wish, I would think, “No, James, you would not be – you bought a losing ticket in the genetic lottery.”

• • •

That’s not to say a few fortunate souls can’t rise above their raisin’, as they say in these parts. But the math is irrefutable: Not everyone can be above average. We can all aspire, but only a blessed few can achieve at the highest levels.

And that’s as it should be according to the denizens of the Libertarian jungle, where the Law of the Tooth and the Claw is the only law, and economic Darwinism is welcomed and social ills are celebrated rather than ameliorated. As far as they’re concerned, the genetic losers should die off, and the sooner the better.

That same lack of compassion is the dominant characteristic of the even lesser lights who populate the Tea Party – or as I like to refer to them, Teapartians. That’s Teapartians – as in Martians, because most of these people strike me as aliens from another planet.

But they're not they're from next door and across the street – and there’s lots and lots of them. Oh, and they tend to reproduce prolifically, too. As long as that's the case, I don't hold out much hope audacious or otherwise for the long-term prospects of this nation. 

Despite the hard evidence of the last thirty-years – three decades spent circling the drain thanks to Supply-Side, Voodoo, Trickled-On Economics – Teapartians continue to swallow the Kool-Aid. I suspect that’s because deep down they know they have no chance of winning against the elite. They have to get their kicks dumping on those struggling with them to gain a foot on the slippery bottom rung of the ladder of success.

• • • 

What they don’t seem to understand is that those they put in power – and those who bribe those they put in power – have smashed the middle rungs of the ladder, and upward mobility has become as distant a dream for dull-witted, ordinary white folks as it was for my friend James.

What’s undeniably true is that things have gotten much tougher in America for people like James. But what’s also true is that things have gotten much tougher for all of us – save for the very rich.

Despite that new harsh reality, Teapartians maintain the illusion that they are somehow “exceptional”, and that hard work – and capitalism – will eventually set them free from economic slavery. But alas, their illusions are no more than a bastardized version of the sign that hung above the entrance at Auschwitz:  Arbeit Macht Frei.

©2011 Tom Cordle

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arbteit macht frei was a good proverb once, "work makes the man," true in many ways, and as to how you see the world.
It's easy to be a libertarian from a safe distance, with clean hands, instead of in the foundary, but note, Adam Smith had a much different take on that per investments in public education than some of his degenerated descendants give credit for.
The point is there's supposed to be a social contract between "pulling your weight" and society returning its obligation to provide in kind. It doesn't matter what 40 hours of work I'm doing, that "earns" me the right to live. That contract has been broken (or the illusion of it rather).

Of course people are slaves. But no one can admit that and get elected because it doesn't fit with our self-image or holy lies. Therefore the problem only grows worse. What everyone fails to realize is that we're all human in the end and everything that's inhuman will be wiped out by the sheer desire to live.
Well, certainly "arbeit macht frei" but the definition
of work is what we should concentrate on.
Work is energy.
Any above average citizen knows this from his , ah, education.
(Blah)

Education= leading INTO, etymologically, my prof
in philosophy told me . His name was Jacobs.
I am a James too.

Plato's "Republic" bears scrutiny. It needs to be edited
to fit the times, sure, but that old Egghead, the First Egghead,
could write good shit.

Philosopher kings.
YOU are at least a damn philosopher-prince!
From "experience".
This is the only reality in the entire Cosmos,
by the way: experience, in the egghead sense.

This means atoms experience.And molecules & plants,
animals, & us. And God too if ya can fit him into yr Philosophy.

....................................................
Slavery never goes out of fashion. Plato and Aristotle & cicero
& caesar & washington & jefferson & lincoln
all took it as a precondition of an Elite.
The definition of
Elite is to be changed, i say!
we are all equally real, can all feel the same.
this is important: to feel.

sure some can think better, some can do sports better,
some can fuck better, ha, some can
love better, some can do all that engineering shit better.

some can think in Generalities better.

.................................................
the current Elite is corrupt and will rot from its inherent evil,
but may take the entire earth with it.

we are drama queens, we simians, we ape men,
we men-apes.

..............................................
i doubt it will happen, humans going extinct.
too many times God has rescued us from the fire.
We are God,
of course.
We are His vessels of Experiencing.
Experiencing what?
Beauty.
of self & other .

simple as that.

there is no defense to Beauty.

play "the end" by another james in the airports.

on the elevators, too! :)
Good one.

I'm too dispirited to comment...but I have a rant, er post on *stuff* coming...

Maybe watching the repub debate tonight will fire me up!
Interesting take on the Tea Baggers as I and Bill Maher prefer to call them. They are delusional, above all.
You may enjoy this post by James Kwak:

http://baselinescenario.com/2009/11/02/smart-hard-working-people/
I don't mind manual labor, because Arbeit Macht Frei is a good proverb, misused by the Nazis. Life is always work. All we need is more entrepreneurship, and though, the business class to get over some snobbery in some places, and, most importantly, a population not afraid of getting its hands dirty, and not so afraid of truly doing physical work to the edge of human capability, because that's life, a struggle for survival, each and every day, and, truth be told, we got a little soft, in my humble opinion. Because, what pray tell has being a farmer ever been, but good hard honest work? Miners too. And yes, you want unions, to a point, to protect people, but, at the end of the day, life, like Erma Bombeck said, ain't a bowl of cherries, neither.
Very moving piece. Starting with the chilling Dachau Sign that I saw in 1974, to the Foundry in the "Deerhunter" - you connected it into a stirring soliloquy for today's times. R
Tom ~ I rented the Deer Hunter DVD earlier this year after not seeing the film since it originally came out in theaters and was interested to see you mention it here as a reference. I haven't seen anything in the way of intelligent ideas coming from the tea party group since the name hit the news wires. Our representative was swept into D.C. as part of the tea party wave and while she is very educated with a medical degree, it is a disappointment to see someone with so much education join up with this group for personal political gain.
This country was built on the backs of wage slaves. Indentured servants, coolies, Irish and German immigrants, latinos... and now, our own middle class. Ask Scott Walker et al. Apparently, we've run out of cheap labor.
Arbeit Macht Frei
Kriege Ist Freide
der Lugen sind die Warheit
der Freir ist die Sklaverei

Ist est 1984 auf Deutsche

Wow, what a telling piece. I prefer to hear from voices of experience whenever possible. I have to say, there is not one thing, not one single thing that I have heard coming from the Tea Party that makes me think anything other than Hitler's Germany circa 1934.

As the Split Enz would say, "History never repeats, I tell myself before I go to sleep..." They operate in the same exact way of telling lies loudly and without letup. The idea is that if people hear it long enough often enough, like a shitty song constantly played on the radio, it will be the first thing people start to believe or say.

And that, too, is the voice of experience. It's a contemptible party, through and through and, in like vein to Hitler's Brown Shirts, they wrap themselves in the flag and the trappings of greatness of days gone by and figure that if they blame the right group long enough, those without a lick of sense will start to think, "Maybe they're right, if we get rid of these bastards, maybe things'll get better."

And we'll have our own Krystall Nacht if we're not careful.

What's the price of freedom?
Vigilance.

--r--
A pitch-perfect piece for today's reality.

I'm certainly not above being impatient with the Jams Grins of the world. But they're here, and they can't be allowed to die in the streets. There is enough to go around.

Jim and I were talking about this tonight - this insatiable human hunger and greed that is going to eat up, grind up, everything in its path. This is all going to end badly.
Don
Translations are always dicey, since to be truly understood, they must be culturally understood, too. One translation of arbeit macht frei might be "work is liberating". I certainly agree that there is something soul-satisfying in work, as in one the lines of one of my favorite poems: "I take a keen, aesthetic joy in this new plow" or in Thoreau's observation that chopping wood warms a man twice -- 0ne might even say thrice, in the sense of warming the cockles of the heart as well.

But that's hardly the conception we're discussing here -- what's at play here is the idea that slavish laboring will make you free. No, it will not. Not in Auschwitz, and not in corporate Amerika.

You are quite right that Adam Smith had a far different conception of capitalism -- and its purpose -- than do the vandals who call themselves capitalists these days -- the degenerate descendants as you accurately describe them. So did Hobbes, for that matter. Both Smith and Hobbes agreed that the only legitimate purpose of govt was to promote the Commonweal, and ditto for capitalism, at least as far as Smith was concerned.
Harry
No one would deny that one should be expected to work to feed himself -- but that one should be expected to work so that someone else can feast is quite another matter.
James
My sister sports a bumper sticker that reads "We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience."
Myriad
I tried to watch the debate, but after the first question posed by a putative small business man -- and written by a Republican operative, my gag reflex forced me to turn it off. Good news is that gave me the time to reply to comments here. Me and Charlie Sheen are winning.
There's lot's of things need doing. More teachers, more people building highways, repairing bridges, keeping the necessary basics going, police, fire departments, good new affordable housing, etc. All require work and should pay well. Lots of people are skilled and available and the materials and the power is all there to get the needed work done. And it is not being done. What kind of idiots are in charge that we can't get what is needed done? It seems a simple problem.
Lea
You're in good company -- as always/

Norwonk
I'll look for it

Don
I think I covered that in my reply above to your first comment
Marilyn
I remember the revulsion I felt the first time I saw that sign, and I tried to imagine what it must have been like for those confronted by it in real life. But of course, I couldn't imagine.
designanator
There is some Teapartian rhetoric I find myself agreeing with -- like no bailouts for banksters. On the other hand, I find myself agreeing with some of the rhetoric of Lewis Farrakhan and the Unabomber. So much for rhetoric. And in any case, rhetoric rarely gets anything done -- that requires work.
john blumenthal
"Apparently, we've run out of cheap labor." Not to worry -- we can get Interns to work for free. Say maybe that's what they meant by arbeit macht frei -- work made free.
dunniteowl
"History never repeats, I tell myself before I go to sleep..." great line, and I'm fond of Mark Twain's: "History doesn't repeat itself; it rhymes."
Jeanette
Oh, have no doubt there were plenty of times I lost patience with Jams Grins, especially when he stumbled around drunkenly behind my back, whilst trying to pour molten steel at 3,000 degrees from a bull ladle. But as you say, we can't just let people like that starve and die, but that's exactly what the Teapartians are saying -- witness the cheering for death at the R debates.
Sheila
T

Jan
It isn't that the problems are simple so much as it is the people voting for the people in charge of solving the problems are simple.
I was trying to explain the point you make here to a libertarian guy I work with now (in my contract, no health insurance job that I am grateful for) and he just did not get it. I thought hard about why not. And I wondered if it was the inability to see individual differences? I don't know. A lot of people don't understand your point and its so clear to me. What would make them "get it?"
This is a logical continuation of our discussion this afternoon Tom.
I'm glad you have expanded some of your thinking on this matter and brought it forward in this piece.
And certainly no apology is needed for your awareness of the eerie similarities of the referenced title phrase and the times we're in.
I'm full of college, degreed and spit back out, purposefully employed while younger in the hard scrabble jobs. The lunch bucket worker has built this country and without an awakening that it's past time to reclaim it, descendants of this time will only be able to wonder how we let it slip through our fingers.
A fine summary of what's gone down over the past few decades Tom, and a neat characterization of the Jams of this world. I got to know a few of them when I was kicking around at odd jobs. Thanks too for Teapartians. I've gotten several friends to use Bush the Lesser thanks to you and I think I'll pick this one up to.

I do think that the Arbeit Macht Frei metaphor is a stretch though. While I don't know the background or motive for displaying it at Auschwitz, it seemed to serve as a weird propaganda for its doomed arrivals. Not sure that crap jobs at crap pay is close to the equivalent, if that's even what you meant.
"Arbeit macht frei" and the context in which it was used is an example of what Rightist propaganda looks like when carried to its logical conclusion.
You're spot on, Tom. Half of America is of below average IQ. Guess which half makes up the Tea Party? Sound arrogant? It is, but it's also the truth. I'll take my lumps. The conservative base in this country has been working very hard at shrinking the middle class for some 30 years and they are succeeding.

I'm with Don Rich. I don't mind getting my hands dirty. If that's my station in life, so be it. I just want a fair wage.
ChiGuy
I question whether it's a matter of inability to see things from the perspective of another -- especially from the perspective of the disadvantaged -- that is the problem for Libertarians and Teapartians. Their lack of empathy isn't so much that they don't get it, as it is that they don't want to get it,

In much the same way, they don't want to get Jesus' teachings about pacifism and communism. That would require them to actually practice Christianity, rather than mouth platitudes.
alsoknownas
I started to work on this post immediately after reading your PM. I regret that time and editorial demands did not permit to work in the 1099 scam, perhaps another day.

For the record, I did eventually complete my degree, and tho I can't say it was much help career-wise, it certainly opened me up to learning in a way I don't think I would have achieved without it. And I must say, I've had my share of manual labor jobs and jobs with no future, and that -- as Frost would say -- taking that path has made all the difference in my ability to perceive the plight of the less fortunate.
abrawang
Thanks for the kudos, I'm happy to expand the lexicon to accommodate a changing world. Here's a good deal more of the same:

A 21st Century Political Dictionary
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nanatehay
I'm pissed at you -- you managed to say in one sentence what took me a whole post to say.
Conrad
Do you realize your statement "half of America is below average IQ" could get a fight started with most Teapartians? Haven't you heard all Americans are exceptional? Well, all except Liberals and other commies.
Somehow when I read your post I kept thinking of Clarence Thomas, who climbed the ladder. Pulled it up. Dug a moat, and filled it with alligators.
Work doesn't make you free. Profitable work that allows you comforts beyond subsistence makes you free(er).

Libertarians don't believe in wage slavery, they just have beliefs that result in wage slavery. As I have told libertarians, notice you're not drawing grassroots support in anything close to significant numbers -- but you draw plutocrats like feces draws flies.

The first question to ask of a theory of liberty is: Whose Liberty?

With libertarianism, that answer for 99.99% is: Not Yours.
Tom-- I think you're right. People who don't understand this, don't WANT to understand it.
Frankly, I resent the association of the wonderful beverage of tea with this political movement.
What truly puzzles me when I read your posts is whether you are willfully missing the point of the tea party or just missing it. The motivation is not "Arbeit macht frei" but opposition to a government of f "Bist du nicht williig, so brauch ich Gewalt" ( If you are not willing I will need force) which sums up a form of government that any German over a certain age can describe to you. (ex - East Germans better than most )

So long as you insist on misunderstanding, so long will we resist the lure of Der Erlkönig in Washington. After the 2012 elections, you can then go back to your accustomed role of being anti-government as the republicans recommence their misrule. I'll still be anti-misgovernment.
ONL
Clarence Thomas is the sort that inspired me to long ago coin this:

It's said that a doctor who treats himself has a fool for a patient; I say the self-made man has a fool for a maker.
Insofar as Supreme Court appointments go I find it interesting that they are appointed for life with very little recourse if they were almost totally unrevealing in their testimony to be accepted. Elected officials frequently promise more than they can or are willing to deliver and subsequent elections can have a corrective effect. There is nothing in Supreme Court activity that can be chastened by disappointing behavior. That seems odd in a democracy.
PJO'
I'd like to agree, but it seems to me the Teapartians are evidence of grass-roots support for Libertarian ideology. And that leads me to remind you that it's never wise to underestimate the enemy.

Obviously, grass-roots has a whole new meaning, since the Koch Bros largely financed Dick Armey and the other "generals" in this "patriot army". Still, there's no denying that there are a lot of ordinary people in that army and millions more who share their views that all govt is evil -- or at least that part of govt that's not buttering their behinds.

What separates traditional Libertarians like Ron and Rand and a few trolls on this site is they at least possess a modicum of intelligence. That is, I can't imagine them holding up a sign saying "Don't Socialize My Medicare". But maybe I'm being too generous, since they frequently say things equally foolish.

All that said, and as I tried to suggest in this post, I suspect the Teapartians may -- and I emphasize may -- think differently when they realize that Libertarians really do want to rid the world of things like SS and Medicare. Despite their protestations about govt, I doubt that is really an aim of most Teapartians.
ChiGuy
You might say Teapartians practice a sort of freedom from want -- a very corrupt sort of freedom.

Miguela Holt y Roybal
Yes, we should keep the tea and let the Teapartians have the old bags.
Token
What truly puzzles me when I read your comments is whether you are willfully missing the point of govt or just missing it. By its very nature, govt requires individuals to willingly surrender some measure of their freedom in return for some measure of security.

That's not me talking, that's Thomas Hobbes, so your argument is with the conservative's conservative. And why do we need govt? Well, I can't put it any better than he did 500 years or so ago -- "because even the strongest man must eventually sleep."

In the folly of their jungle ethicism, Libertarians subscribe to the ideal of the lone wolf, forgetting of course that wolves run in packs for a reason -- they like to eat. The purveyors of greed disguised as rugged individualism may one day soon discover what it's like to be eaten, for even the strongest lone wolf must eventually sleep.
Jan
Are you daring to suggest that the Founding Fathers weren't infallible? Well, there goes your hope of winning the Republican nomination.
Tom,
You could call it grassroots support and you could call it libertarian, if it was either. The Tea Party is not grassroots, it's a top-down movement in the typical Rwing way -- propagandists started it and the propaganda-soaked (in this case the quasi-libertarianism of Fox News' Napolitano and Beck) True Believers reacted on cue. It's libertarian in the same way regular conservatives are --embrace anti-gub'mint and gimme my Soc Sec and Medicare. Chew on libertarianism in the first sentiment, spit out the rest in the second.

So, not grassroots, just the typical LC Denominator theory of how to gain support of large groups of barely educated people.

Grassroots is the proletariat rising up to challenge the ruling structure. It ain't grassroots when the ruling structure tells them how they are angry and why.
PJ
I'll split this hair one more time -- I certainly agree the Tea Party is an astroturf outfit. And I hope you agree that despite that, there are plenty of Teapartians who are truly discontented. Sad to say, they constitute a large -- frighteningly large -- number of Americans. And that is true no matter how illegitimate their "party", how unjust their cause, or how illogical -- and self-defeating -- their proposed solutions.
What you seem to be having trouble with is the "willingly" part

I belong to a church which performs many of the "services" (Feeding the hungry, clothing and sheltering the homeless- (I help) that the federal govt is trying to claim as it's "Right"- I belong to it WILLINGLY-- If I disagree, I leave.

You'll tell me I can't "leave " government control", and something like "the civil war settled that"-- (that's what my liberal Judge friend says)- So when Obama tells me "I won", we're doing this whether 51% ( at least that many Americans opposed "obamacare") I'm just supposed to keep my mouth shut and fall in line or else "Brauch Ich Gewalt". Nope, doesn't work that way. I just quit doing what you tell me is my job. I live where I can work for soybeans, what are you going to do?
Tom,
A significant number of the same old GOP base, just the basest o' the base. Populist, but not grassroots. Support numbers only a GOPer can love. Maybe if we drop the gr prefix, we arrive at an agreeable term.

Token,
A fine belief, but not a belief in line with the American system. You're under contract, which probably doesn't upset you as much as the fact it's a liberal social contract. It's a birthright, or wrong, I guess, depending on how much you value it.
We, the people have the right to make decisions on the general welfare and you, willingly, by admission of accepting constitutional rule, are duty-bound to accept that. You can work to change it or renounce the citizenship that ties you to the contract.

The relevant point made, all I can add is that your personal feelings aren't that interesting. If you want to rail against the system while eating and drinking soybeans, I'll just figure your condition is both politically and lactose intolerant.
Token
You had to drag religion into this didn't you. Pathetic. You obviously know as little about that subject as the present one, but let's stick with the present one, shall we?.

If you're unwilling to live under the American form of govt -which is one in which most Americans willingly agree to give up some measure of independence in return for living in a nominally democratic state with all the benefits that accrue thereto, that is until Citizens United takes full effect -- and if you prefer to live somewhere where the law of the jungle is the only law and the only impediment to doing exactly as you wish whenever you wish to whomever you wish, and you are able to hold onto every last dollar of your ill-gotten gain -- as long as your able -- there are plenty of other places you are free to willingly choose to live. I'd say present-day Somalia conforms to your ideal of no government. I can only wish you bon voyage and good luck. You'll need it.
PJ
"basest o' the base" -- well, that we can certainly agree on -- if by basest you mean -- and I'm sure you do -- cheering at the hypothetical that some poor uninsured young schmuck should die of a disease just so insurance companies can continue to rip us off (somehow it's better that private companies steal from us than that the govt does) -- or the definitely not hypothetical that some quite possibly innocent prisoner gets fried for a crime he may or may not have committed so that we can maintain the illusion that this is a noble society based on some OT notion of eye for an eye justice.
PJ

So, is that social contract thingy anything like the contract between , say The United Rubber Workers and Goodyear? I learned about that working 6 years in a closed URW shop. That means we can strike, right? I learned a whole lot about not only creatively not doing my work, but also how to prevent others from doing theirs. Only you can't really do anything about me, because hey, I"m disabled. So, are you or Tom going to take the first shift of strike breaking when the Doctors and farmers strike?

I happen to live in a strong church community of farmers, and there is always work to do, for which you can be paid by being allowed to eat. I also fix mechanical and electronic and digital thingies, and I do a certain amount of gun smithing ( first thing I made in High School shop was a zip gun), so I can probably trade some skills on the black market. But as far as the "Worker's paradise" is concerned , I'm going to be a "Writer", or senile and decrepit, either one works for me. So are most of the other people around here. But you're still going to pay us for 40 hours of writing a week, right? ( Most of that time is going to be spent "Researching Ideas")

And now you're going to tell me that that is unacceptable.

Here's where I say you and what army are going to make me work? and this is where you say the US Army!, and then I remind you that just like in the first civil war, a good percentage will be on "my" side! (and we all know how well that worked out.)

The key question about Obamacare (and by extension any forced skilled labor) is, how do you feel about having your heart surgery done by either a minimum wage paramedic, or a doctor who is only doing the operation because they are holding a gun to his head? Hey, we learned it from you guys, I'm kinda looking forward to after 2012 when you guys can go back to being the ones who hate government intrusion. Then I'll be on your side again.

This whole discussion is kind of like winning an argument with your wife, only to realize that you have started a fight that no one is going to win.

So, how ARE you planning to ENFORCE your "Social Contract"? Appealing to my better nature is useless, we all know Christians and T-partiers don't have one. As for appealing to my humanity, why, you've just told me I'm not human, why would I argue with you? When can I expect your Law Enforcement Professionals to arrive to take me off to the concentration camp for re-education? ( I don't suppose that you have either the training or the stomach to do such things yourself) Or were you just planning on arguing me into "doing my civic duty"?
Those three words, in that place, with such evil context, are an object lesson in brutal irony. Used as you have here, to make a serious, important, personal and universal point, they serve the right purpose. We need eloquent reminders like this about the danger of tyrants and sheep.
Tom

What is pathetic is that you and your intellectual buddies would try to drag me and others unwillingly into going against our beliefs- which include feeding, clothing and sheltering the poor. I delivered food to people for our church today, tomorrow I am going to be fitting shoes purchased by our church members for needy children.

What have you actually done for anyone lately except insult and belittle people ?, something that I would have supposed was beneath people so righteous and politically correct as you and PJ. Yes, I find you pathetic, too, As a human being, I offer to discuss the problem between us, and you insult my religion. ( By the way, I'm actually Muslim, you closet Islamophobe, you) So,I'll ask you the same question I asked PJ. How do you intend to enforce your workers paradise?
PS Tom

America, Love it or Leave it!. Really? How nineteen sixties union worker of you! There's nothing like a Golden Oldie.
Hi Tom,
Certainly one of your better posts, syllogistically well constructed.

As is often the case, comments too can be equally interesting for one who revels in the human condition - as I tend to do.

I loved your handling of "Token's" bait and switch :-)

All in all - from my perspective - it stands out as one of your best writings
Regards
Every time I read a challenging book or play an intricate guitar piece, I'm well aware that I won some kind of lottery (not the BIG ONE, but a good scratch off ticket), and I was adopted. My life could have turned out differently before I even got started. As the old joke goes -- a lot of people started life on third and think they hit a home run. I never thought that. There are people in this country who aren't intellectual standouts, who simply need work, a fair wage, health care and decent standard of living. It really isn't too much to ask, and other countries provide these things as a matter of course. Here, we demand that our individual citizens spin straw into gold, expecting of others more than we expect of ourselves. Bitterness. Despair. Jealousy. Paranoia. These are the results. I don't want to live like that.
Token
Your words expose you far better than anything I could say in response.
Sally
Thank you for your kind words, and for affirming that I haven't violated the Unwritten Law.
Mal
Good to see you! You've certainly been missed around this particular neighborhood. And you're quite right about the commentary being very revealing -- on both sides of this debate.
Bellwether
Life's Lottery, indeed. My wife's brother and his wife adopted two infant girls from Columbia, and I must say, there were never two more fortunate children on this planet. They're also living proof that Nuture sometimes matters a great deal more than Nature.

Spinning straw into gold, eh? Yes, the Wall Street alchemists have managed to do a pretty good job of that. But I suspect the world is about to discover all that "gold" is merely plated on the straw, and very thinly at that. Unfortunately, the fruits of such deceptions are inevitably Bitterness. Despair. Jealousy. Paranoia.
Tom

As do your words. Spoken in the true demagogue tradition : Don't address the questions , just assume a superior attitude and mouth nonsense.

Your philosophy is identical to that of those who brought us "Arbeit macht frei", in that you pretend that there will be no "Enforcement" in your iron rule, while knowing full well that you cannot control the workers in your utopia without enforcement."Wenn jemand nicht willig so brauchst du gewalt" If anyone disagrees with you, you will use force. Won't you?

Allah knows your heart and demands the truth- I await your answer to how you propose to enforce the social contract without using force, coercion and violence. I will wait until hell freezes over.( wake me up when you get to the pixie dust part. I like pixies )
"No, this is about the delusion that work will make you free. Sorry, to crush your dreams, young people, but for most of you, it won’t."

Free? Ha! Nothing in life is free, least of all a job. Maybe the pendulum is swinging the other way. Maybe we've had it too good, expecting decent wages and health care and a retirement plan in exchange for working hard. When I graduated from high school, a lot of kids I knew went straight to well-paying office and factory jobs instead of wasting time and money on college. Now I know of college graduates who are just happy to land minimum wage work. Maybe in the not-so-distant future, only the best and brightest among us will be lucky enough to be chosen for economic slavery; the rest of us will end up as illegals in Mexico.
Token,
I thought I was clear about how disinterested I am in your personal meanderings, even less so as they wander from one incoherent point to another.

Perhaps you're trying to not make sense. Perhaps you are but can't. Maybe the best thing is you hold the conversation with yourself first and see if YOU can understand it before lettin' 'er rip.

As I'm torn between the impulse to ridicule or feel compassion and pity, I'll choose a 3rd option and just say you have a "unique" way of *ahem...cough* expressing yourself that doesn't get less "unique" with reiteration.

Maybe you should abandon that soybean diet, regardless of what the Galactic Federation Counsel of Elders advises.
Token
One last time. I'm not sure I can make sense of your complaint, and while you seem to be well-versed in Deutsch, your grasp of English leaves a lot to be desired. Do you not understand the meaning of the word "willing"?

I repeat, as American citizens we all willingly agree, tacitly or otherwise, to accept some limits on our individual freedom in order to enjoy the benefits of living in a somewhat civilized society.
I'm not aware of anyone who is coerced into that social contract.

On the contrary, there have been millions of people from around the world who've gone thru a great deal of personal sacrifice to become US citizens, and that process quite literally does involve taking an oath to accept the social contract that comes with citizenship.

Granted, we fought a Civil War when some Americans sought to extricate themselves unilaterally from their obligations as citizens -- to say nothing of behaving inhumanely to other human beings-- but that's history. If you're talking about the present-day, I'll also grant that of late there are a lot of whiners who act like that social contract doesn't exist and that citizens have no such obligation to each other.

I'd advise them to read the Preamble a bit more closely, especially those who claim to be Originalists. It's pretty simple really -- with rights come responsibilities. And when people don't live up to their responsibilities, why yes, govt often intercedes on behalf of the aggrieved party. Still, I think that's preferable to having the aggrieved party blow your head off. But that seems to be what Libertarians prefer.

Now that I've answered your question, they must be ice-fishing in Hell.
Margaret
Strikes me the pendulum has done more than swing the other way; it's crashed through the side of the clock, and I'm not sure that all the king's horse-asses and all the king's minions can put it together again. It's for damned sure "job-creators" aren't ready, willing or able to do so -- too busy speculating to invest.
I find this humorous:

Token says --
"Your philosophy is identical to that of those who brought us "Arbeit macht frei"...

We're both throwing the philosophy of the Constitution at ol' Token, so he's saying the Founders were Nazis.

As truly oddball and aberrant as that is, it pales compared to what follows. All that lacks is a slide whistle sound effect and a Porky Pig closing line.

BTW, Tokin', forgive me for referring to the Counsel above. It should be Council. Tell the Federation I meant no disrespect. Klatu, Barada, Nikto!
"The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter,taller,richer, and remove the crabgrass from your lawn. The Republicans are the party who says government doesn't work, and then they get elected and prove it"

This is a quote from "Parliament of Whores" by PJ O' Rourke. It is about as good an expression of T-party philosophy as exists, even though it was written in 1991,

One of the most astute and profound political philosophers I've read (and I've read him since he was editor of National Lampoon in the '70's )is PJ O'Rourke.

One of the sources of amusement that keep me coming back to OS is the presence of our own PJ O'Rourke. It amuses me to compare the wit and wisdom of The other PJ with that of our PJ.

Anyone who is interested in understanding what the Tea Party actually is all about should read PJ O"Rourkes "Parliament of Whores" . Even though this book was written in 1991, it is a witty and easily understood guide to the thought processes of someone who was a "Communist Hippy" (self description) in the '60's and is now a conservative. The "Parliament of Whores" is of course, the US government. His point is that in a democracy, we are the whores. This book is a guide to ditching our pimp and crack pipe and becoming self sufficient. I f you want to "Know your enemy" (the T-party) read this book-if nothing else it is amusing.

If you don't wish to know your enemy, and simply wish to carry on with Tom and our PJ's circle jerk of self-gratification, wait here for them to answer the simple key question - How do you enforce the social contract? By persuasion or by force? you will be waiting a long time.

Me? I enjoy communicating- I'm going to my mosque and fit needy kids with sneakers, I'd rather participate in social intercourse, than in a self gratifying circle jerk of pointless rhetoric.
Token, why do you think anyone in this thread doesn't understand the Tea Party? It's not rocket science, my friend. The Tea Party coalescesced around astroturf propaganda in the aftermath of the election of this country's first black president, and it began to really take off at the same time as we first saw Youtube videos of white people wailing "I want my country back!" The only reservations I have about such nonsense is, where do they think their country fucking went? It's still here, Token, the exact same country, but the tides of change sleep for no man, nor even for some random, ignorant Youtube harridan. Not to put too fine a point on it, the Tea Party from its inception was a bunch of racist fuckheads who were perfectly primed to gobble up corporatist propaganda paid for by the likes of the Koch brothers. You do kn0w who the Koch brothers are, correct? If you are even marginally politically aware you also know that they and their fearmongering plutocrat colleagues harnessed the indignation of a demographic who felt outraged that, for the first time in history, they might not be the primary beneficiaries of the sweet, tax-payer-derived gravy that flows out of our nation's capital.

And thus was born the Tea Party.

None of the first part of this comment is opinon; it is a matter of public record.

So, anyway, what were we talking about? Oh yeah:

"How do you enforce the social contract? By persuasion or by force?"

Good question. What do you think, Token? Will the invisible hand of the market enforce the social contract, and if so, which social contract are we talking about at that point? Is your social contract the same as mine, and if not, what about those of us who doubt that Ayn Rand's beliefs are anything but demented fantasy or have any applicability in creating a prosperous, free society? If I don't believe the same way as you do, why must I endure the consequences of your misplaced faith in the power of The Market to create a utopia of absolute freedom in the here and now?

I'm curious as to what your answers might be here, so I'll come back to have a look. Thanks, Token.
Please forgive my mangling of "coalesced" in the above comment. I may have to purchase bifocals if I hope to keep blogging, or at least get an editor who works at 5 in the morning and likes Little Feat and gives good back rubs. Now taking applications...
Token
Your question has been asked and answered several times -- you just don't like the answer. But since you're obviously fond of redundancy or thick as a brick, I'll try again. You ask: How do you enforce the social contract? By persuasion or by force?

You've simply set up a false dichotomy, as is the wont of the Right -- I mean Wrong. Since you like sophistry, the answer is neither and both.

As I said, for most sane citizens, the social contract doesn't have to be enforced, nor are they persuaded, save in the sense that it makes sense to accede willingly to the social contract in exchange for certain benefits such as the maintenance of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". They accept that in return, they have a duty to "provide for the common defense AND promote the general welfare" -- among other things.

On the other hand, insane citizens insist they have all the same rights -- and apparently many more -- without any of the responsibilities. In that case, the govt has a duty to protect the sane from the depredations of the insane -- even if by force. Uh, that would fall under "provide for the common defense".

You will note -- well, probably not -- that it isn't the Left that shows up at political rallies with guns, and it isn't the Left calling for "second amendment solutions". It's pretty damned clear which side of this debate wants to enforce it's sophomoric (at best) ideology on the rest of us.

Should they succeed, heaven forfend, I expect the sane will once again be forced -- by the Koch Bros, et al, to labor and die beneath signs reading "Arbeit Macht Frei".
Token,
Don't overestimate yourself, I guess, is the overall point here. You're too much a discombobulated crackpot to deserve what could only be a one-sided attempt at a rational exchange. Anyone who responds to a simple point about political philosophy by launching into Nazi-speak is a fool, unworthy of having his psychosis treated as anything but. Besides, you read more than I and others write, and then launch a babble-bomb at your straw creation. You're not very bright or interesting or capable of intelligent and/or witty conversation.
You're pointless and boring, Tokie.
Nanatehay
Thanks for not putting too fine a point on it ;-). As for that Invisible Hand, it's bad enough that it's in all our pockets, but sad to say, it's also up the ass of legislators and Teapartian hand puppets.
PJO'
Agreed again. Nothing is -- or at least ought to be -- so embarrassing as setting up a straw man and then failing to knock him down.
circle jerk

1) Group masturbation, usually males, sitting or standing in a circle jerking themselves or each other off.

2) A fraternity initiation ritual or hazing whereby the lights are turned off. The plege or pledges are told it's a circle jerk. The actives pound their fists together in the darkness simulating the sound of jerking off. The lights are then turned on suddenly and the pledge or pledges are the only ones in the circle with their dicks out.

3) A useless discussion or meeting involving mental masturbation whereby the egotistical, boring participants try to demonstrate they're the smartest persons in the room.
The pledges learned humility from the initiation circle jerk.

The urban Dictionary

Also

A web term for a blog or chat room where the participants have no interest in any interaction with outsiders, but engage in self congratulatory statements and mutual praise for their own self gratification. Mutual Mental Masturbation. hence, 3M clubs.

Usage: this "discussion" is a real circle-jerk!

What brought me here was curiosity about how someone was going to explicate "Arbeit Macht Frei" Boy, have I learned my lesson!

I promise I will never again be curious about anything you guys ever write. I would say we'll talk when you've reached a level of maturity where you can hold social intercourse with someone who you regard as an enemy and actually discuss differences, and attempt to address mutual problems, but there's a reason some people are referred to as "Jerks" (Yea, yeeah, I'm a Jerk, too...)
Grow Up
Circle Jerk
A rude person who shows up at someone else's blog and engages in circular arguments, that is asks loaded questions and then refuses to accept answers that don't agree with pre-conceived, erroneous ideas he borrowed from rtwingnut pundits.
Goddammit, God got me.
God? That's my damn bizness, buddy.
Jesus was a Fish gasping for air on dry land .
Jesus is my Friend, so i can bullshit with the motherf---er.
God was there the day I died, and sent me back.

odd ideas for bumper stickers.
here's a bumper sticker for Cambridge or
wherever smart people are,
they aint here, but they are ok.
poor and bedraggled & drunk sometimes, otherwise good guys.
and gals...


The invisible Hand of the Market is subject to Evolution through Us.
Hello,
I would like to discuss how America is based on a Nazi constitution. I know you weren't talking about anything resembling that notion, but I want to set up a a scenario where I am being physically attacked. I have this whole shtick about my valiant resistance, trusty ol' 30-ought-6 and trained attack beagle.

A' course I calls it a shtick, but somes like t' lady at the Center calls it feigned paranoia to feed my delusions of grandeur as a reaction to being denied a Barbie and forced to hold doll house tea parties with my GI Joe.

But I still calls it a shtick, uhhh-huh.


Seriously, you're nobody's image of an enemy. While you may find some Nurturing-Affirmation practitioners online who will entertain a phantasmagorical conversation that can only result in picking some half-digested kernel of pseudo-validity from the wet cow flop of your assertions, you aren't finding them here.

That's not anybody's fault but yours and ain't nobody payin' anyone to babysit.
Tom, I have a couple of bones to pick here...

First: Just so that we have this out of the way before you (or someone else) claims my grasp of English is lacking... My native language is NOT ENGLISH... and I don't believe you are fluent enough in my native language for this conversation to take place in said language. I will therefore struggle along with the overly-bloated language known as English in an effort to communicate.

Second: "govt requires individuals to willingly surrender some measure of their freedom in return for some measure of security" The critical word there is "willingly..." the vast majority of people have never given consent because they have never been given the OPPORTUNITY to consent or not. Consent has only EVER been given by naturalized citizens and those who resided in the original 13 colonies at the time the United States was formed. To say otherwise is akin to saying a woman who is deaf and mute consented to being raped.

Third: "I'm not aware of anyone who is coerced into that social contract." 100% of the Native American population of the United States IS in fact particpating due to having been COERCED... Until 1978 the United States Government used the United States Army and an assortment of weapons to COERCE Native Americans. You *cannot* claim that literally holding someone at gunpoint implies anything OTHER than that those who have had a gun held to their head have been coerced.

"And when people don't live up to their responsibilities, why yes, govt often intercedes on behalf of the aggrieved party." SURE they do Tom... Unless of course it was the government which *caused* the parties to be aggrieved in the first place...at which point we ALL know the Supreme Court and the Legislature will twist themselves into literal knots to deny the aggrieved parties any form of justice.

"Now that I've answered your question, they must be ice-fishing in Hell." *Snorts* Tom you are a former Michigander... you KNOW we aren't deep enough into winter for Hell to have frozen over.
I don't know, Don. I'm free...
James
An ode inspired by you

Devilution

Ashes to ashes
Dust into dust
The Invisible Hand
Is a miserable bust
Icy in Iceland
Greedy in Greece
Now even nations
Are subject to fleece
Vultures and banksters
The Near Enemy
Enslave the worker
With "Arbeit Macht Frei
PJO'
I’ll admit there are times I don't understand someone's question, but I truly believe that in this case, the poor guy didn't understand his own.
Mrs Raptor
First: Methinks thou protesteth too much – your grasp of the overly-bloated English language is much more than adequate to express your views :-).

Second: Citizens of this country have tacitly given their consent to be governed by virtue of accepting citizenship. The fact that they don’t know that is on them. Certainly, most have had the benefit of a free education – just one of many benefits of govt – that tried to teach them about all this in civics class.

You’ll certainly find most US citizens – especially Teapartians -- are quick to demand their rights. But by accepting those rights, it follows as day does night that they are accepting the responsibilities that come with them.

That far too many citizens are either woefully or willfully ignorant about the demands of citizenship is another matter. But alas, those who aren’t willing to listen must learn the hard way. Because so many citizens shirk their responsibility to keep themselves informed about politics and other obligations of citizenship, I’m afraid they will learn these lessons only when they lose those precious rights.

Third: You’re quite right; the relationship between indigenous peoples and the US was a long way from consenting – as I said in my post, it was a holocaust – complete with ethic cleansing and genocide. Citizenship was granted far too late and under duress.

Of course, some individuals and tribes wanted nothing to do with US citizenship. As a result, the status of many tribes remains in a sort of legal limbo, necessitated by the fact that the Europeans, the original illegal aliens, never had any legitimate claim to these lands other than by the right of conquest. Check out something called The Requirement to see how far they went to try to make it otherwise.

You won’t find this taught in American History classes; but the story was told – in all its infamy – at my concert in August.
Brazen Princess
I'm not free, but I'm cheap
This post & thread has it all, Tom. Thank you.

I'm sorry Token didn't have anyone more eloquent to support him, but I guess those are the numbers, on OS. I think you & PJ were kind ; kinder that I'd have been to someone who freely admitted that his first High School shop project was making himself a zip gun.

I bear in mind that nanatehay was probably bent over the adjacent bench fashioning kuchinkas from circular sawblades, but my comment isn't about weaponry. Hang on, it is.

It's about what Eisenhower said in his parting shot, about the reality of what all this US sweat is producing : it's about the primary export, summed up Arbeit Macht Vernichtung.

The rest of us, bedazzled by the song, grateful for the history and stories, are also in awe. There's a mystery to what is going on at your place right now - I know it's felt in Europe, China too ... your post & particularly your thread, have brought a lot to light, for me.

Two stand-out quotes from the thread ( apart from Bellwether Vance's entire comment ) I will take away today :

"... I will never again be curious about anything you guys write."

& your own brilliant typo : " ethic cleansing." ( typo ? ;-)

Gratefully,
Tom, not only great insight but great writing as well. Your piece is the negative image of Forrest Gump, the conservatarian hero for whom all things are possible in a world of limitless opportunities. Pure fiction. In reality, Forrest Gump would have been fired from his job at the foundry as he approached retirement.
Kim
Thanks for the kind words. I'm pleased that you got something from this post, and honored that you and so many others have taken the time to comment so thoughtfully. That's one reason I hang around this place, in spite of its many problems, including spam and a handful of trolls.

As for Token, I don't see him as a troll so much as someone who's genuinely frustrated by a world that's changing -- rapidly -- in a lot of very negative ways. But for whatever reason, he's incapable of expressing his frustrations in a comprehensible fashion -- let alone offer viable solutions.

In that, he's quite typical of Teapartians, and the cause may be what he unwittingly confessed, and you noted -- a lack of curiosity. I find that on the whole such people have had little exposure to the world of ideas.

Not so Libertarians, tho' most of them place far too much faith in the ideas of a third-rate romance novelist and a fourth-rate philosopher. That's why I've labeled them Aynal Retentives.

That said, I think you'll find a few who visit my blog from time to time are a little better equipped to talk the talk, tho in my view the ideology they're promoting is patently absurd. They may be smarter than a fifth-grader -- I can't say the same for the majority of Teapartians -- but they aren't as wise as my twenty-something son, who authored this bit of wisdom"

"Libertarianism is the Scientology of politics."

Agreed that Bellwether is a jewel. As for my typo -- ethic cleansing -- I'm glad you caught it. Call it serendipity, since it so perfectly illustrates what happened between White Christians and Indian Communalists in the past. Thank you for that; I intend to use it whenever possible.
Daniel
You wrote: "Forrest Gump, the conservatarian hero for whom all things are possible in a world of limitless opportunities" Interesting take, I never made that connection, and it is made even more solid by the fact that Forrest was named after Nathan Bedford Forrest, an uneducated, poor country boy, who went on to become a millionaire, thanks to the slave trade, a Confederate Civil War general/hero, and the first Grand Wizard of the Klan.

If you'll permit me a truly awful pun, the problem with Conservatives is that they can't see the trees for the Forrest.
Tsk, Tsk Tom... You forget that none of us is given a CHOICE as to whether or not we are citizens OTHER than Naturalized Citizens. You cannot claim the social contract is one which is entered into WILLINGLY (your word for it) when the REALITY is that NONE of us who were born in the US have a CHOICE regarding citizenship.

Civics hasn't been taught in at least 30 years so expecting people to "know" something which hasn't been taught at all in more than a generation is kind of like searching for leprechauns in fairy rings.

I need no American History class to know the horrors which took place. I was an unwilling participant in some of it. That is part of the problem... there are people like myself who LIVED some of the horrors... yet we are told ad nauseum we are OBLIGATED to "society" due to our (involuntary) alleged citizenship (which has MUCH more in common with indentured servitude than it EVER will have with citizenship) and yet we are NOT citizens in the same way others are. We have NO right to religious freedom by orders of the United States Supreme Court... due exclusively to our RACE. We have NO right to Congressional representation according to the Constitution (and the Voting Rights Act does NOT give us that representation either)... due exclusively to our RACE. We have no LEGAL right to property unless it is on a reservation...due exclusively to our RACE. The list goes on and on of things which we are denied by law due to our race ... And yet ... we are expected to be GRATEFUL for the half-assed citizenship we have had forced upon us . It defies logic to demand gratitude for something which has always been withheld from the very people that "society" demands be grateful.

I'm sorry but I simply *cannot* find it within me to be grateful for rights which I am barred from possessing. And there's about 3 million more stuck in the same position that *I* am in... forced to tell my children that if they EVER want to have the same opportunities the REST of the citizens of the United States do they must HIDE who and what they are... they must PASS for white... they must be ASHAMED of their ancestry. That is NOT anything I ever wanted to have to teach my children... and yet it IS the REALITY I am forced to deal with. The fact that I, and every OTHER parent of a Native American child must teach our children to LIE in order for them to partake EQUALLY in a society which is peopled by gross barbarians is probably the worst of the ethnic cleansing which has been engaged in by the United States...the fact that this ethnic cleansing is STILL going on in 2011 should shame EVERY American... and yet NONE are shamed other than the Indigenous people.

As to your Freudian slip... It would likely do many some good to engage in ETHIC cleansing... Then again, they would first have to possess ethics and I am pretty sure the only way most would ever possess a shred of ethics is if they stole them.
Mrs Raptor
First the picayune -- call it Civics, American History or American Government, I don't intend to split that hair. The fact is, every child in this country is exposed to the basic truths I've outlined here.

The fact that so many fail to absorb that knowledge may be testimony to the failure of our educational system, but again, I assure you, most citizens do seem to retain the part about their rights -- and they are quick to demand them.

That they apparently don't retain the information about responsibilities that go with those rights strikes me as willful neglect. In any case, as our courts will tell you, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

As for all this hairsplitting about "willingly", as I said, by remaining in this country, citizens tacitly agree to the terms and conditions of citizenship. Those who are affronted by those terms and conditions are free to seek greener pastures -- if they can find them.

Token, predictably, wants to twist that into my saying "America, love it or leave it." Not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that's not the case everywhere in this world. Ask the citizens of former Soviet satellites like East Germany. I'm saying those who want NO govt interference in their lives -- Libertarians and Teapartians, for instance -- are free to seek their utopia elsewhere -- say Somalia, where there is no govt.

Actually, that's not what I'm saying -- or at least that wasn't what I said. This post wasn't intended to be about politics or religion or racial discrimination. This post was an attempt to make the case that in Korporate Amerika, work will not make most workers free.

Instead of discussing the subject at hand, you, as is your wont, want to talk about the rotten deal Indians got. Agreed. Now the question is, can you take "yes" for an answer?
oh man. this was brutal. it's also one of the best pieces I've read recently.

tom I could not open it for days. I'd seen it pop up when you wrote it and I've seen it on different blogs, but I couldn't open it. the title. I'm not criticizing. I know you're an excellent writer with formidable process of reasoning and if you were titling it so, then it was going to be a tough read. even a sad read.

and it is. brutal. because I feel the same way. I believe our country is in decline. and sometimes when I look around at what the people of this country have become, it makes me want to cry. I love America. I love and always have loved the dream of it, even the catchy cliche of it.

It has always seemed to me that I was supremely fortunate to have been born in America. To have been born white, to have been born in NYC, to have been given a free American education that I eventually took advantage of.

that deep font of opportunity no longer exists. I feel sorry for the teapots, I do. They are clearly not very bright. I'm not all that brilliant myself but at least I can follow a train of thought and come to conclusions based on some logic and reality. I can figure that if so and so is supporting this or that, what benefit does he gain and what do I gain from it? They are not willing to look beyond promises and slogans. Not just that, they're willing to sacrifice their decency and become a bullying mob.

I understand their anger. And I believe that not all they once believed or wished for America is wrong. It's just that their initial movement had been immediately co opted by extreme corporatists, conservatives and big money. And the old john birchers. And like most anyone, they took to the ramping of their message.

The slow watering down of all the opportunities America once offered all it's people is tragic. For all of us. In the end, we lose together. But I'm not so sad that I'll take it lying down. But it's not my fight really. I've already done my marching, my end the war, equality for race, for women marching on Washington. I've taken a stand for my generation and for my kids.

This is the fight our kids have to take up for theirs and for us. If they aren't willing to speak out, then their future and the future of their children goes down the tubes.
Foolish Monkey
Glad you overcame your reticence about visiting this post, and thank you for your heartfelt comment. There is so much more I wanted to say with this post, but I didn't want to push the bounds any more than I did. But here's a taste of what I would have liked to add.

For all his lack of hope of escaping his fate, James was indeed lucky, for he lived in a time and a place when someone like him could find a job that provided him and his family an upper-poor-class to lower-middle-class living that included health-insurance and pension benefits unimaginable for a blue-collar worker today.

There are many complicated macro-economic reasons for that, but leaving that lengthy discussion aside, such an existence would not have been afforded James without unions, a reality young people -- and a lot of older people as well -- seem to have forgotten.

But the days when someone like James could earn a decent living are gone -- and probably forever. The reasons for that are complicated, too, but I place a great deal of the blame on disloyal Reagan Democrats, who helped put the Great Prevaricator in office.

I wonder how many blue-collar Democrats were among them? I wonder how many of them, even now, realize or are willing to admit, they greased the skids for their own descent into poverty? Certainly, there are none among the Teapartians who seem incapable of learning that lesson.

The working class should have seen the light -- given the all-too-obvious decline in income and benefits they suffered over the last thirty years. But alas, they continued their dalliance with the devil and doubled-down on their bad bet yet again in 2010. Thus petty tyrants were swept into power in places like WI, MI, OH, FL and other states now controlled by Republican Simon Legree governors and legislators.

That the campaigns of these soulless bastards were largely financed by the Koch Bros and their ilk, and that the decision in Citizens United granted personhood to corporations -- and in the process permitted unlimited, anonymous campaign contributions -- does not bode well for our children's future.

Regrettably, I don't see this sad state of affairs getting better any time soon, because too many of the working class poor, still wallowing in ignorance and racism, want to blame the even poorer. And those who presumably know better speak more and more of sitting-out the next election, as if there was something somehow noble in such childishness.
Tom C. I see your here on Open Salon's Feed.
I missed this. I'll assimilate and sense `Spirit.
Spirit gives Life. No believe the 'Dead Letter.
Beware
Discern
O, woe`
unto scribes
and fools too
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I just read your spoof.
It was at Kerry' blog.
Your written words`
Contain animation.
Life.
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Ye doctors who more executions done
With bolus and potion and powder pill,
Than hangman with halter and soldier gun

(M-16 plastic stock is made by Mattel Toy)
Wall Street financiers love to proxy kill too.
They distribute weapons all over the globe.
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Or miser with famine or lawyer with quill;
To dispatch us the quicker you forbid us malt brew
Till our bodies grow thin and face get very pale ill.
Observe them if you please, what cures all the disease
Adam's Wine?
That is Pure H2O.
I gotta wonder off.
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Let's recall how to comment?
I get turned-off. So - Read email.
The re-start the Library's Wi- Fi.
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Unbelievable.
Thanks readers.
Thanks for teaching.

Is a comforting dose of good dry wine - as in Lunenburg.
There are many great wines. 'Jost' is a Red Grape here.
On the 'Jost' bottle is a old Blue Nose Skipper art sketch.
Art James
Your comments always amaze me. So I am "a good dry wine", eh? I like that, and I can attest that I am vintage. It is true that in many ways, we do get better with age.
Tom C. It's Fate. Good Fortune.
It's within our genes. We bibbers.
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My middle name is`
`
Vinton
Linwood
the 3rd
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That's not easy to live with.
We get teased.
Arthur V.L. James the 111.
No wonder we sip as wino.
Welsh is `Vintage brewers
Linwood was a `Linwood
Tree.
It made great Honey Mead.
I once made 55- gallons and:
I still have a wee bit in stock.
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Frank Racik helped me make it.
He was ninety-two when he died.
He passed-off in his sleep last year.
His obituary mentions his brew skill.
He could enter my berries in the Fair.
He always won a Blue Ribbon. Honest.
I let him use my blueberries. I miss him.
Maybe I miss Maria who organized brews.
We use to gather for fellowship. Mead too.
He knew quality. He was a rare human Gift.
Etc.,
He was robust like you. However. He sneak.
He sneak a puff of tobacco now and then too.
He Lure Maria out from a Nurenburg Nunnery.
He had a book titled:
HOW TO FIX STUFF.
Maybe I send to editor?
He never was drunken.
I sure miss wonderful
Folk.
I am meeting them here.
I try to be a lame recluse.
People hear a wino is here.
I know folk from past years.
This is a quiet seashore place.
I never tire of wine and seagulls.
If I could be n two Places? Sigh.
Tom C.
I will say `
Tom C.
Hip Hip
Hurray
Tom C.
Dry wine
That's best.
Stay clear.
Sober and
Mindfully
Focus on
Beauty.
Thanks.
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I may read that old Smoker Post.
Everyone here rolls a loose shag.
One pack of smokes cost $12.00.

Frank called Maria `Little Flower' Rip too.
Frank was the Mead Server at my sons wed.
He chased a West Virginian for seven years.
9-11 was our Reichstag fire
Why would anyone refer to Nazi Slogans here?
And what is this about old poems trying to make a point?
Football and other sports are supposed to build up friendships between different people.Little kids learn to go by rules in order to be well socialized.
Fair play is asked for.
Entering the sports arena,the opponents are aware of the rules.
Tom,all I can say is this:
10(or more):o
Noah
Yes, the parallels are frightening. I'm also reminded that FDR warned us that we have nothing to fear but fear itself. Unfortunately, too many Americans have fallen victim to merchants of fear propagandists like Rove and Cheney, and the fear-stained rantings of Beck, Bachmann, et al.
Heidi
I'm not quite sure from your comment which side of that 10-0 score I'm on ;-).
Well put Tom, as usual.


“Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of smaller ones. The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society.” – Albert Einstein, “Why Socialism?” 1949.

Elizabeth Warren Speaking at Berkeley

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akVL7QY0S8A&feature=youtu.beemail
You leave me speechless. All I can say is "Perfect".
Tom, as with Foolish Monkey I hesitated - yikes, nearly half a month already? - opening this for fear it would be a tough roe to hoe, altho I knew eventually I would hafta hoe it. I've done that now, including the comments during which weeds sprout and are dealt with and other stragglers appear and add additional eloquence and raise more questions.

In this half month, tho, we all have had the surprising and welcome uprising of the 99 percenters, the Occupy Wall Street movement that's spreading like a prairie fire across the country. My personal surprise in this phenomenon occurred several days ago when I stopped at the local gun store to hawk my book, which includes on its cover a photo of a lovely lass dressed as Red Riding Hood sitting against a tree with a pistol in hand in the event the wolf were to arrive before the woodsman could get there to save her. Many of the stories in the book illustrate a time when guns were not seen as the iconic political symbols they are today, and my stories are intended not as polemics for or against personal gun ownership but rather to chart a course between those opposing camps. As such, the book could be seen thru hostile eyes both by enlistees of the Second Amendment War Council as well as by Handgun Control Inc. adherents.

The gun store bubbas found my cover fascinating and our conversation was congenial and, for the most part, apolitical. What came out of the blue was when the store owner, a former supporter of Jesse Helms who now rides the Ron Paul bandwagon, noted without prompting that "Wall Street has us all by the balls." I agreed, but didn't push the conversation to see whether this was a volunteer conclusion on his part or whether it represented new doctrine from the Chief. Either way, I found it a sign that OWS is already reaching across so broad a demographic swath as to make odd bedfellows of politics ideologically so diverse as to be incompatible with each other ordinarily in the same meeting hall. Maybe it could actually reach 99% of us.
Forgot I was Chicken Maaan when I posted that. But I agree with everything he said.
In Conrad's Heart of Darkness, the hero, Marlow, says that only throug hard work may we find out who we are. He was right.
Rated.
Tom C.. I thought this was a New Read.
I have been rereading my old comments.
Weird?
Weird is a great word. We best be humbled.
Suppose there are disembodied real`Spirits?
You are read.
I met readers.
How about it.
We best be good.
After Hollow Ween?
Santa will check email.
We best not lie or rob.
Tom C. No sit on a lap.
Santa sits on laptops.
`
I best shush like I said.
I keep disobeying folk.
I was happy to reread.
`
Thankfully, and yea,
and never quit. Bless.
I just banter in rain.
It's foggy in Canada.
I'm at ice cream bar.
trivia.
Tom C..
Read Mark Twain?
You like Sam. Yup.
I recall you read?
The undeleted one?
It's a beautiful read.