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JUNE 24, 2011 3:51PM

In Defense of Men

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In the past week, not one, but two men have written columns that suggest that men are just acting naturally if they get aggressive with women.  Rape, these men say, is just a natural instinct that we're suppressing.

First up is Scott Adams.  In his blog, he wrote an entry titled "Pegs and Holes."  Salon has done a pretty good deconstruction of the entry, but here's the most relevant part of it.  "Society is organized in such a way that the natural instincts of men are shameful and criminal while the natural instincts of women are mostly legal and acceptable."  This has resulted, he contends, in a "society [that] has evolved to keep males in a state of continuous unfulfilled urges, more commonly known as unhappiness."

Pretty damn insulting, if you ask me.  What Adams is saying is that if there were no laws prohibiting it, I'd be running around downtown San Diego, finding attractive women, beating them over the head with a baseball bat, and raping their unconscious bodies.  Or maybe I wouldn't be that savage, and I'd just chloroform them or drug them into a catatonic state so that I could have my way with them.

It's only the law, Adams contends, that's keeping me from running across the street to my local Hooter's, ripping off the woman's tops and exposing those hooters, and having my way with them on the bar.  I am supressing my instincts because I don't want to go to jail, and because of that, I'm unhappy.

Whatever.  And thanks for making me out to be a savage that belongs in a cage.

Adding fuel to the fire is Dan Rottenberg, of Philadelphia's Broad Street Review.  As some of you may know, an award winning reporter for CBS, Lara Logan, was sexually assaulted while covering the protests and riots in Egypt.  Now, nobody will condone or excuse the assault, and it does kind of add credence to what Adams contends -- that in a lawless environment, some men will take advantage of the situation to do disgusting and sickening things to women.

Rottenberg produced a picture of Logan in a low cut dress, which she wore to a black tie event.  He then asked the question "What message was the TV journalist Lara Logan sending here?"  Rottenberg then went with the "men are savages" theory, saying "Earth to liberated women: When you display legs, thighs or cleavage, some liberated men will see it as a sign that you feel good about yourself and your sexuality. But most men will see it as a sign that you want to get laid."

Actually, this man sees it as neither.  I can go to the beach right now and see women in pretty much just their underwear.  It doesn't make me think, hey, she wants to get laid, or hey, she's feeling liberated and good about herself and her sexuality. It just means, well, she's wearing a bikini. 

Same thing if I go out tonight and a woman's wearing a cocktail dress that shows a little cleavage and her legs.  It doesn't mean she wants to get laid, although on a Friday night in the Gaslamp, she very well may.  It doesn't mean she's feeling good about herself and her sexuality.  It just means she's wearing a cocktail dress that shows a little cleavage and her legs.

The kicker in Rottenberg's piece, though was this.  He said "Don’t trust your male friends. Don’t go to a man’s home at night unless you’re prepared to have sex with him."

You have got to be kidding me.  I've got plenty of female friends that I'd never want to sleep with.  Some of them are married, or dating people, and thus off limits.  Some of them I am not attracted to.  Truth be told, there aren't that many women that I really would like to have sex with. 

Confession time here -- Lara Logan is one of the women who I would.  Look at that picture.  She's very attractive, and she's smart, and she's gutsy.  But just because I'd like to hook up with her doesn't mean that I'd rape her.  And if she did come over to my apartment tonight -- yeah, right -- if she wasn't up for a roll in the hay, I wouldn't rape her.  And that's not because of the law, it's just because, well, consensual sex is hard enough to make good.

Forced sex, where you've got to hold down the victim at the same time you're trying to get off, has got to be nightmare.

Adams and Rottenberg need to stop insulting their fellow men.  We do have a desire to mate with as many women as we can.  That's what helps ensure our genetic code is passed down to future generations, and that's what keeps the species going.

But we also have another instinct -- to seek pleasure and to avoid pain.  I can't imagine that nonconsensual sex would be pleasurable.  It'd be a lot of work for not a lot of pleasure.  Honestly, it'd probably be easier to just head on over to bigboobs.com and find something that we could spank the monkey to.

And maybe that -- not society, not whether a woman is dressed sexy or not, not laws -- is what keeps us in check.  It's another instinct telling us, no, don't do that.

Whatever it is, I don't like people like Adams and Rottenberg portraying me as a savage who is only kept from rape and sexual assault by laws.

I am a man.  Those who say that men are savages are not.  Don't insult my manhood just because you don't have any.

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Tony, this deserves a much larger audience than it will get here, and you've made me want to stand up with my fist raised to shake at all those self-professing "men" who claim we are all savages at the core, that we're made that way. Those bastards are no more than sociopaths with keyboards and, like you, I say "Thanks a lot, assholes!" Actually I'd say more than that, and the raised fist would likely come down on their heads, because I AM wired that way -- to respect and defend women and others who are treated as though they have no value beyond the meat market. It's interesting, I had this conversation only last night -- with a woman. It's hard to express adequate contempt for the point of view promulgated by Adams, Rottenberg (what an apt name!) and others who hew to this same medieval notion -- often pointed out as the fatal flaw in Muslims by holier-than-thou religious right hacks. "She was asking for it." Bullshit. Thank you for this. It is always timely because satan never sleeps. Apparently he's wide awake on the pages of Salon this week.
Like you, I prefer my sexual liaisons to be consensual, but hey, maybe that's just us.

Actually, if they want to talk natural impulses, we males have an impulse for conquest, which, in my mind, implies consent. We want women to want us, do we not?
listen, I'll admit that what the hell were/are these powerful men thinking has dominated an awful lot of discussions I've had with my women friends. And I get pretty pissed off at schools of thought that suggest that women cover themselves because men lack impulse control.

But men are raised by women to be...what? Respectful, slaves to tradition, evolved or entitled. Depends on the mother and on the culture. But to say men can't control themselves is an insult to everyone. And to equate rape with sex is outdated and ignorant...which is to say, I take your point.
Joisey...isn't that the whole point? If we're going to get beyond the fundamentalist mindset of sex is only for procreation and want it to be pleasurable, then rape is out of the question. So even if you assume we're savages and only obey our instincts, then the pleasure versus pain instinct comes in.

Myriad, any time.

AJ, that's what I think as well. And as a single person, I'm even more inclined to smack them around because it makes it harder for me. If women are being warned that they shouldn't trust men because we're all inclined to rape them, that makes things difficult, right?

Major, you're right. Conquest involves surrender.

Nikki, what pisses me off is the suggestion that I can't help but want to rape someone if she's dressed sexy. I mean, I hate the implication that someone can have so much power over me. Puhlease.
In the words of a good friend when he sees stupid human tricks ... "hey, we're trying to have a civilization here." Apparently the idea of civilization is the only thing that keeps some guys from running around without pants on.
I liked your title when I saw it come up on the feed. The same idiots that said 'rape is genetic,' probably also believe that violence and war are genetic too. Why do they neglect to see that love and compassion is far more prevelant in society as a whole in both men and women, than all of the violence? Compassion is so common, so everyday, such a given, that i t i s n o t N E W S. We, as a species, are hardwired for compassion...men and women. We wouldn't be here if we weren't able to empathize and cooperate, to love one partner long enough to raise these slow maturing children, and get along with our neighbors, even when they are idiots, like the ones who wrote those two articles. Yuck.
Bellmeade, exactly. I mean, when I see an attractive woman do I sometimes think, wow, I'd love to hook up with her? Sure. But does that mean I want to rip off her clothes, pin her down, and take her right there even if she's struggling? Absolutely not.

C. Berg, exactly. Animals, including humans, have instincts to protect and care for each other. There are so many stories of animals of different species becoming good friends. I saw one of a hippo and a turtle becoming very good buddies.