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toritto
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I was born in year 4 of the reign of the Emperor Tiberius Claudius and raised on 66th Street and 13th Ave. in Brooklyn. And Coney Island, Traveled the world. Married my high school sweetheart and stayed together 40 years. Now a retired old widower crank living in Florida with my cat. Author of "Initial Verses" - a collection of poems on love, loss, poverty and war" and "Toritto's Blog - a Memoir of a life in posts."

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JULY 1, 2012 9:25PM

What's With July 4th and the 1812 Overture?

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A middle-aged man with grey hair and a beard, wearing a dark suit and staring intently at the viewer.

Tchaikovsky 

So Fourth of July is coming and we will all hear both the Capitol Fourth celebration and the Boston Pops play the final themes of the 1812 Overture on national television just prior to the fireworks.

Why the 1812?

Well it’s got cannon blasts - great for outdoors!

Playing this particular piece on the 4th of July just makes me wonder, given the current state of our educational system,  how many of those celebrating realize that the Overture has nothing to do with the War of 1812. Yes we fought the Brits in 1812 but the Overture does not lionize Dolly Madison fleeing the White House with George Washington’s portrait.

The Overture written by Tchaikovsky is as thoroughly a Russian a piece of music as there is - written by a Russian, commemorating the Russian victory over Napoleon’s Grand Armee commencing at the Battle of Borodino in 1812, first performed in Moscow at the Cathedral of Christ the Savior in August 1882,  finishing up with the Tsarist anthem to the Romanovs, "God Save the Tsar", the national anthem of the Russian Empire until 1917.

It was also played and conducted by Tchaikovsky at the dedication of Carnegie Hall in New York in 1891.

Now don’t get me wrong. I like the 1812 and my comments concerning playing it as the centerpiece of our July 4 celebrations are not based on the fact that it was written by a Russian. We’re Americans here and we will happily steal anyone’s music.

The Overture however commemorates a Russian historical event and more importantly  is a kiss-up to Tsarism - a fault I find decidedly undemocratic and unsuitable for July 4 celebrations.  Tchaikovsky was a notorious kiss-up to the Tsar; its how he made his living.

So why do we play it on July 4th?    Because it has cannons?  Got me.

Next time you hear the cannons and see the fireworks go off and you hear that theme at the end you love so much don’t think about Independence Day - think of the Tsar:  I'm sure he would be laughing his ass off to hear his "Hail to the Chief" at our July 4 celebration.

 Don't mind me.  I'm just a crank. Just ignore me.

 Crack open an American beer and celebrate.

 

and now for your 4th of July listening pleasure
Mstislav Rostopovich conducts
Stars and Stripes Forever
as his encore in the Grand Hall of the Moscow Conservatory

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"... as thoroughly a Russian a piece of music as there is..." too true, but I have a place in my heart for Modest Mussorgsky:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwrqAipON2w

Great post.
Well, have to say I love the 1812, particularly Malcolm Sargent and the London Philharmonic's version (although the chorale in Von Karajan's version is marvellous).

But your point about its origin is quite right. It had nothing to do with the recent hostilities between the US and Britain/Canada. That conflict, however, produced the equally stirring words of "The Star Spangled Banner" (ironically set to the music of a British drinking song).
Naw, you're not a crank. Just a nitpicker like me. ;-)

I too have never understood why this is always played. Maybe everyone needs to go back to Music Appreciation class!

America the Beautiful always seemed like a more likely candidate to be played while the fireworks were in their finale. Or for God's sake. The Star Spangled Banner of all things!
Yes, a uniquely American holiday needs uniquely American music.

I've played both these tunes at more fireworks shows than I can count. Once in an orchestra and several times in concert bands. There's a nice clarinet passage in both, so they make me happy and I keep my mouth shut.

I'm not sure when this association with fireworks shows and the 1812 O started, but after generations of the Boston Pops, we are stuck with it. BTW, most parks forbid explosive devices.

For my two cents, Orchestra arrangements of Stars and Stripes suck as much or more than band arrangements of the 1812 Overture. It sounds wimpy, and that is not was Sousa was thinking when he legally changed his last name to end in USA, and claimed Divine Inspiration for this march. The Sousa arrangement has just a little of that crazyness in it.

Like this; http://youtu.be/a-7XWhyvIpE

BTW, you will never again hear 4 piccolos in unison like this, unbelievable.

In a band concert a few years ago, I saw a very old manin the audience get so worked up during Stars and Stripes that he broke his walking frame banging it to the beat (his tennis ball things flew off). One of the few times I was sure we were "doing it right".
disclosure - after saying all that, I like British band music better. Another toughy for July 4th!

Holst's Second Suite for Military Band is my favorite piece to play.

http://youtu.be/7nz7tvRdL94
You speak as though having cannons isn't reason enough.
I'm going with The Marine Corps Hymn & an icy cold Pabst's Blue Ribbon...
I've often wondered about that, myself. I like Tchaikovsky and the 1812 Overture, but I cinsider him as "old world" as it gets. I don't hold it against him-- that was his nationality and his reality. But if I want to hear music that was homegrown on the 4th of July, I'd listen to Aaron Copland, Louis Moreau,Gottschalk and Scott Joplin.

Rated.
I don't think you're a crank, just someone who's tired of people making empty gestures in the name of tradition, blissfully unaware of the meaning behind what they're doing.
Stunning....and laughable. I love "teachings" like this!
I think its simply that we do not have music that goes as well with fireworks. It was used in "V" as well and for the same reason, some puffed cereal etc. Of course now that you pointed out its from the "Roouskies" and not only Europe but Eastern Europe I have little doubt it will soon be banned in the Red States where it is correct to celebrate white history and conversely more correct to speak derisively of European culture- explain that one.
Kenneth - Heehee.

Damn Rooskies! Our biggest enemy! (Mitt says so.)

"Why we playing that Rooksie music on our Sacred Fourth!

:-)
It is odd, isn't it? How we take things for granted, and do not examine, say, their provenance, meaning, or implications. Thanks for this education!
Toritto, heh, heh, I think that's what makes it so wonderfully American. We steal the best and leave the rest. I've always loved the idea that the Star Spangled Banner is set to the tune of a British drinking song. And nobody ever sings the other verses either, which are lauding slavery and manifest destiny.
It makes me think of oatmeal.
Torito, you didn't understand the real history of the song. The 1812 Overture used to be the theme song for the commercials for Quaker Oats cereals. Don't you sing along when the song plays? "This is the cer-e-al that's shot from guns!"

It is played at 4th of July celebrations as a reminiscence of the time before the megacorporations, when it was possible for a small company like Quaker to compete against giants like Kellogg's and Post in the national marketplace. That is the spirit of independence that used to exist in America, and we miss it very much.
Ok you cereal guys!

The fireworks and the 1812 are really for "Hail to the Oats!".

:-)
I've posted a suggested replacement on my blog today.....

;-)
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