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David McClain

David McClain
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Doniphan, Missouri, USA
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February 08
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I am a simple man who has lived a simple life for sixty years. I have not dined with movie stars nor Kings and Queens. I have not walked the halls of power, nor have I been a mover and a shaker. I have, however, been a soldier, a tinker, a jack of all trades. I have raised five children....I have been loved and I have loved. I do not see grand designs nor do I chase afer them. Instead, I listen to the heartbeat of the land and I rejoice in a bird's song in the morning. Do not come here seeking answers for I have none. I do have questions which I will ask you constantly though. I do not believe in aruging so Politics will not be discussed in my blog. I do not care what your personal beliefs are for you are free to believe as you will...please allow me to do likewise. I have never been rich, but I have always been poor. Being poor however has never stopped me from feeling rich. I feel rich because I have the love of a good woman. Melinda completes me. She gives me the peace of mind and soul required to write about life without regrets and without envy of those who might have more. She is my world. Almosta Ranch is our heaven and we are happiy. This is what I want to share with you in this blog.

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AUGUST 8, 2009 1:27PM

Swimming Against the Currents, How to kill a blog on OS

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How does one kill a blog on Open Salon? Now that is an interesting question and one with a very simple answer: you swim upstream, against the current. Well that should be easy for me, I have swam against the current my entire life. I did it for the first time when, as a lad of sixteen, I got involved in local protests against segregation in my small, rural, town in Texas. I took a few beatings, got bloodied and ostracized by people I had known all my life. I did it with a smile though because even then I knew I was right and this was a current I had to swim against.

I did it again a couple of years later when I was urged to burn my draft card, run away to Canada, and turn my back on my obligations as a citizen of this nation. I swam against the current, I turned away from the beliefs of friends, and I went the other way. When I came home, the current was flowing strong and swift and it carried along almost all my old friends.

“Burn baby, burn, Take it to the streets, Revolution!” These were the watch phrases of the day. People whom I had grown up with, who had spent the time I was away, safely ensconced in colleges paid for by mom and dad, were taking to the streets, calling Ho Chi Min a hero and declaring that the American soldiers who fought that war were murderers. I listened as they celebrated the killing of Americans by the “Heroes of the Republic of Vietnam”.

And I swam against THAT current as well. I became bitter and angry at what I saw and that feeling stayed with me for years. Then I noticed that, as the years passed, those kids whose passion had moved them to such violence, and to spew such hatred, changed. They finished their education and promptly entered into the Corporate world they had railed against. In their own words: “They sold out to the Man”. The current grew weaker and my swimming became easier…for a time.

But as always, this river we call life and the currents within it, changed yet again. Once more it became fashionable to protest. It became the “In” thing to do….degrade and marginalize anyone who does not follow a Liberal agenda.

Which brings us to the present.

I have been a member here for a few months now, time enough to gauge the swiftness of that current and the direction in which it flows; strong and to the left. I have read, week after week, the stories that appear regularly on the front page and it is clear that anyone wishing to appear there has only to write about “Evil” Christians or “Terrorist Conservatives”.

Well I have a news flash for both sides: To Rush Limbaugh and his idiot followers….Shame on you and shame upon your house! How dare you refer to Barak Obama, the duly elected Leader of this Nation, as Hitler. That is about the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard in my life and it offends me greatly. Let me make one thing crystal clear, I did not vote for Mr. Obama. His political beliefs are not my own, but by God he is MY President and I will show him every respect due someone who holds that office. I will not personally demean him or degrade him simply because he follows a political theory which I do not believe in.

Now a message to those on the Left, the Liberals and their spokesmen…..How dare you spew your venom and intolerance in all-encompassing broadsides. When you do this you are no better than the Rush Limbaughs of this world. What ever happened to “Reasoned Debate”? Why must you, whenever anyone tries to offer a different view, resort to calling them Racist and mean-spirited bigots? Any dissention to your personal belief is seen as a personal attack. Shame on you and shame upon your house!

In this country, today, Reasoned Debate has devolved into screaming insults and name-calling. Only once before in the history of this nation, has its people become so polarized and we all know what that led to and as a great man of that time said: “A house, divided can not stand.”

So today I swim against conflicting currents; both right and left. So maybe this is the answer to the question: How do you kill a blog on Open Salon…you do what I have done. I refuse to engage in your political mud-slinging. I will not read blogs that do this and I will in no way support or encourage people who do not have the moral strength to show common courtesy to friend and foe alike.

I will, instead, merely continue to do what the title of my little blog says, I will reminisce upon the past and consider the follies of everyday life….in the real world. To those who find this offensive, or in some way, not worthy of their time to read….the door is that way.

To those of you who have kindly made to the end of the one and only political blog which I shall ever write, I leave you with a short video, a song about a real man, a simple man, who also swam against the currents of his time and who now spends his life quietly trying to find his way….thank you for reading.

 

 

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Well reasoned, thoughtful and worthy of thinking about.. I respect you tremendously for the way you presented your position.
Very thoughtful.
I too am tired of the ranting and raving and the lack of depth by both sides.
I absolutely, totally concur. Your thoughts concerning what constitutes discussion and debate reflect my own and I really appreciate both your perspective and the wonderful way in which you have articulated it. Thanks.
Rated
there's plenty to read that has nothing to do with politics. or even breaking news. or TV shows. thankfully there's much to read here, plenty of open brain spillage. that's what makes OS such fun.
Torman, I have been hesitant to write about current politically hot topics because I may not have all of the latest statistics or be as learned as some on this site. I am an Obama supporter who feels that unless we all lay down our swords and stop carving away at one another we will never make any progress. I have been guilty of leaving comments on blogs which were less than kind to the other side in my frustration with the situation.
I understand your point here and hope that I, as only one among many, can start to offer a voice of reason.
There is some really good discussion going on here if you know where to look. I think that people find it very easy to rant and use profanity when they don't have to look the other person in the eye.

I am a Marine Corps veteran and proud liberal. I don't beat a lot of war drums, and tend to be a pacifist, how's that for against the flow? Fewer jarheads die if polititians don't jerk their knees every time there is a hiccup, without investigation and truthful assessment.

My question is always...is it (whatever action going on) a "just" war? Do I know enough about the "enemy" and the "goals" to understand our cause? I don't question the sacrifice and camaraderie of soldiers, Marines and sailors, I have seen it. But I opposed, from the very beginning, our invasion of Iraq...like you, ALSO moving against the current.

I emphasized the history of the Middle East in my graduate studies, and knew much about Saddam and his violent Ba'athist agenda in Iraq even BEFORE the current war. (Just ask, but you'll never get me to shut up if you do! *wink*!) But it incensed me that the public, and seemingly the government of my own nation conflated the admittedly horrid regime of Saddam with the separate rise of Bin Laden's Al-Qaeda and its hideous attacks of 9-11. It is so important to "know thy enemy". And these two were not one.

The revelation of the Abu Ghraib photos made me sick and ashamed that such things were done by those wearing the uniform of my country. I know this is not the norm, but our military received a black eye with black ops like that. I am justly proud of the work of our soldiers in what must be a very challenging mission in Iraq, but I wish that energy had been focused...from the get go, in Afghanistan and Pakistan from whence most Al-Qaeda attacks originate.

I agree wholeheartedly with your rules of civility. I hope you can find civil discourse all over the OS "village". I think we do better than some here.

(I'm sorry...I seem to have taken a lot of your space here...apologies for the "hijack". )
The idea that war protects me and my "freedom" is bullshit. Wars are fought for profit, especially wars such as the Vietnam War which did what? Made money for weapons manufacturers, that's what! Perpetuated the military-corprate complex, that's what! And what freedoms are you talking about, anyway, when corporations control the planet, the media, and perpetuate the military-corporate complex? Freedom to vote? Bush stole two elections. Freedom to assemble or freedom of speech? Really? In this increasingly Fascist nation? Cops are everywhere nowadays and it's damned scary...but that's Fascism. Freedom to pursue my reproductive rights as a woman? Freedom as a woman to go anywhere I choose at any time of day or night? Yeah, right! Freedom from harsh taxation? Freedom from control by Big Pharma, Big Tobacco, Big Ag, Big Oil, on and on? WHAT FREEDOM?!!!!!!
Cartouche.....Thank you ma'am and you honor me with your respect. I am a very simple man and I know of only one way to present anything...from my heart.

Mad Mother.....Hate, like anger or any other strong emotion is exhausting after awhile. We all need a break from it, I believe.

Walter....It means a lot to me that you and I are on the same wavelength here for there are few writers on this site who I respect as much as I do you. Every day your writing serves to lift me up.

Cindy....You are right, there is much more to read here on OS and good stuff too. It just seems that the political gets top billing. And, it is no different at other sites. I have been to conservative sites where this crap dominates the boards too...sad.

incandescent....Thanks for the comment and I will check out your blog. I always like to find fellow "swimmers".

Life is Good....A journey of a thousand miles begins with one small step....I think you have made a good step.
And you're from Texas as I just noticed? Of course you are!! And if you write back and say, why don't I just leave this Fascist nation... ...send me a ticket!!!
Respectful discussion is going to get us much further than name calling - coming from either side. I enjoy your posts and am sure that the wise way in which you spoke your mind this time will only strengthen your blog, not kill it.
Torman, thank you. I come from a military family that goes back to the Civil War. Myself, like my brother, and my Dad, who has two Bronze Stars, three Purple Hearts, and was tortured for not setting up some machines guns so the guards could use them against him and his men . I am mad at myself today, one, for putting another of those stupid posts that I having been doing. I am going to lay off some of them, and I am going to write a little more of the stuff I came on OS for. Like you, I had a lot of little, some big, stories that I want to tell before I die. I will slow down, writing those "stupid" posts, but I won't stand-down. Theres some people in this country, who are trying to take down our rightfully elected president. No matter the side, I like you, stand up and salute when my Commander in Chief comes in a room. I will not stand by, while people hi-jack my country. No one did this in the last administration, but they lost. And their money is getting a little low. I love reading your post. Your are of a man of integrity, like my Dad. I will continue reading your posts, if you don't mind, I find they make my day. Please come and see me when I write my ordinary posts, if I haven't forgotten. Thank You.
I agree wholeheartedly. While both sides swing in out in the trenches, our overpaid, entitled representatives in Washington eat cake. In Limos. Enough is enough. United we stand, divided we fall. It's a simple as that. Otherwise, as went Rome, so goes America.
Yekdeli and Amy...sorry, I was posting at the same time as you and I missed both your comments.

Yekdeli.....I couldn't agree more. When it was announced we were going into Iraq I said: "UH?" I didn't get it then and I don't get it now. Afghanastan was where we should have been focoused.

A funny thing....you ask any man who fought in Nam, what he was fighting for and the majority will say: "The man next to me." We could have cared less about Mom, apple pie, and the American way. I don't know if it was like that in Iraq though....war can do strange things to you. Thank you for your comment and you never have to apologize for long comments in here....I welcome them.

Amy........Freedom? For starters think about the freedom you have to express your ideas without fear of reprisals. I know places where people die for doing that. Just a thought. Thank you for your comment.
Amy...the fact that I am from Texas means I would say something like that to you? You seem to be dealing with sterotypes...I'm sorry.

mamoore....thank you for those kind words and I hope you are right. I truly appreciate the fact that you read my blog.

Scanner....I look forward to reading those posts and enjoying the stories you have to tell, my friend.

Deborah....I couldn't agree more; America is in danger of traveling the same road as ancient Rome...thank you for your comment.
Torman: Yes, both Left and Right have become too shrill, and neither listens to the other, only interested in making points. There are many stories to tell and voices to be heard. Those stories and those voices, for me, are what's valuable in and what I cherish about OS. Personally, I pay very little attention to what's on the "cover," except to be amazed by what is there and saddened about the good stuff that isn't. I find the best writing inside the book.
I AM AN INDEPENDENT. Please stay. Your voice is needed. People of the far right and far left are so much alike it isn't even funny.
I love Lou Dobbs, he is one of the few who stands up for the average person.
He is presently being falsely slimed as a racist because he dares to utter unorthodox ideas.
It's sad, but a fact, that there is inevitably more heat than light in political discussions. Thank you for this perspective.
Powerful stuff, David. I agree with you 100%. However, I find myself torn. I respect the office of President, because that person is the rightly chosen leader of a nation. However, I can not in good conscience stand in the middle and cheer for both sides. I am a conservative...no way around that. I condemn idiots on the right who feed the media frenzie and do stupid stuff; that hurts the cause I believe in. I simply believe the left is wrong. That does not mean they are not good people. I will not be an 'in your face' fanatic; I simply find my place is on the right. I can't change my spots.

Keep on writing. I don't think you will kill your blog in OS. God bless you!
Well said Tor. Well said. Many of us feel this way but just don't want to come out and say it.
Nice rant Torman, and point well taken. I did watch and do appreciate the video and song. It must just have been real hell that day.
Keep on doing what you're doing. We need a lot more independent voices engaging in reasoned debate, and a lot less hysterical ranting. Rated.
Tor - BRAVO! I agree with you 100%, but then we always have seemed to be of like minds. Thank you for your no-nonsense, common sense, straightforward post.

If you lose readers because of this post, they were ones you didn't need. I have always admired you for speaking your mind. This post is no different.
Rated for eloquence, fairness and excellent writing!
Pilgrim....you are right, I just have to delve deeper in the book and ignore the tastless cover art I guess.

Kathy.....I don't plan on going anywhere. I just figured that doing a post like this would kill the readership. As for Mr. Dobbs, well you see I am such an independant, I put no stock in ANY talking head on TV from either right or left. Couple that with the fact that I have been blessedly without TV for over a month and you have someone who is totally ignorant of the man or whatever trouble he is in.

Emma...you have a way of cuting right to the heart of the matter: "So much heat and so little light." I love that phrase and I am honored that you take the time to read my blog....thank you.

Dan....Ah my good friend, you know the inspiration behind this post and you know where my heart is. As for yourself, wherever you stand...right or left, front or center, I know you will always stand with honor, style, and grace. You are a true gentleman and there isn't a lot of those left in this cold old world.

Grif...thank you for your comment. There were many hells on many days back then. Places with names like Dak To, Hue, A Shau Valley and Khe Sahn. That particular video protrays an action three years before my own experiences but I have always considered it to be representive of the experiences of all soldiers who ever stepped foot there.

bike....All I can do is what I do and that has to be enough. I plan on going back to my normal non-political posts from now on but I felt I needed to say once what was on my mind and in my heart. Thank you so much for taking the time to read my blog.
Thank you! I've been feeling quite alone as I try to navigate through the rough waters on OS of late. There is so much vitriolic diatribe lately I have been feeling like I missed something.

Like you, I don't delve into writing a political blog, because I feel that a voice of reason isn't heard, the opposition slinging insults without really listening.

Yesterday I had about had it. This morning I had to leave early, but I opened a few blogs beforehand, and one had a cartoon of Palin holding a gun to her head, and I felt sick. I felt sicker knowing the poster was a former policeman. I wrote a comment...and deleted it. I wrote another and deleted it too. I left, feeling sick.

Thank goodness for your blog, the first one I opened upon coming in just now. It just proves to me our friendship is based on the real deal. Thank you for your voice and being braver than me. You empower me.

Civility begins, one step at a time...thanks for taking this giant step.
Unbreakable....damn that just sounds funny. Do you mind to much if I just call you "Kim". Thank you my dear old friend for your kind words and your ever present support of my writing. I wish I could count on all my friends the way I have counted on you over the few years we have known each other. Oh and sorry I missed your post when I posted that last long reply....you know how slow I am.
Sheila....Dang you and Kim both snuck in on my while I was posting a reply. For those who don't know "BuffyW, she is one of my closest personal friends in the real world and we have never even met. She, along with "Unbreakable" and "PlannerDan" have been the stout bulwark of my support in all that I do. Sheila, it is you who have taught me about taking that step toward civility....Thank you my dear, good friend.
it's very comforting, to bury your personal responsibility in 'the flag', or 'the president.'.

but beta-male baboons can do that. humans are capable of better, or so we think. i went into the vietnam war with a shallow, john-wayne understanding of what was going on, but i came out knowing the usa was run by evil people, supported by simple minded chauvinists.

you are right, the 'progressives', as they like to call themselves, are equally simple-minded and shallow. they are usually on the side of the angels, but it's almost by accident, and often selfish: those vietnam protestors didn't discover the war was bad until the sons of the middle class could no longer hide in university.

americans are profoundly ignorant, insulated from reality by geography, wealth and power, and a national myth that is comprehensive to the point of psychosis. this is not a unique situation, every society has it's favorite lies, but america's wealth and power make it a particular threat to humanity.

i'm glad you are unhappy with your reception on os- at least you are perceptive of other ideas, and may even learn something. but your distaste for the progressive viewpoint is misplaced: right or wrong, this is a clearing house of opinion, not a church where your opinion is holy writ.

so, read, write, grit your teeth when necessary, but never imagine you have a patent on reality.
Al..."Beta Male Baboon"? Hell I've been called worse. As for going into Vietnam with a shallow, John Wayne mentality, damn man most of us did that, we were a product of a society that glamorized war. We all had to learn the hard truths...that there is no glory, no honor, in war. There is only living and dying. You were not the first young man to have his illusions crushed. Some of us just reacted to it differently.

So the USA was led by evil men.....show me a nation that wasn't led by men whose main concern wasn't self interest...old news.

We all came home bitter in one way or another, some of us just dealt with it differently....thus the difference between you and I. Oh and for the record, I am not really unhappy with MY reception on OS as a matter of fact, MOST folks have been very nice to me here. Thanks for your comment.
I understand an d appreciate your candor on the subject. It would be a better world if we could all get along, but I haven't seen a lot of that lately. Maybe we could all try a little harder.
Michael Rodgers....Hello and welcome to my blog. I am sorry you chose the one day I went political, but I promise if you come again I shall try to be sane.
This is my first time to your blog, and you can count me in as a favorite of it based on this piece alone. While I may have been guilty in some of the ways you have mentioned, I respect and enjoy your viewpoints.

And thank you unbreakable for pointing me in this direction.
Manchu Wok....Greetings and a warm welcome to you. I am always delighted when someone new decides to give of their time and read my blog. I look forward to getting to know you through your own blog which I will be visiting real soon, I promise. Oh and thank you Kim, for directing Wok this way...you are such a sweetie!
Your video left me in tears.
Judie....Welcome to my blog and thank you for your comment. I will tell you a secret. Forty years after coming home and having watched that particular video many, many times, it is still the same....I watched it again today before I added it to the blog and my wife came in and found me starring fixedly at the computer screen, with tears running down my cheeks....some things never change I guess.
This is the most reasoned, senisible and balanced political blog I have read on this site. I for one will be following in your slipstream against the current.
Rated.
Well, said, sir. I left the USA in 1991 have not been back there since. I feel like Rip Van Winkle sometimes reading online what huge political and cultural divide that now separates people back home. Red state this and blue state that. I feel that America has lost its way. The Internet may be to blame, in a way, because in the old days, pre-Internet, there was no way for millions of people to vent their rightwing leftwing hostility quickly and opening, and yet now, anyone can do it, and it is divisive. The Internet has fucked up life in America, pardon my French.

A very very very good post, sir. I salute you, sir.

Danny, .....overseas and never coming home.....
Getting food poisoning can kill a blog. Take it from someone who knows.
Tabb....Thank you ma'am for the kind words. Oh and you just tuck in behind this old tugboat and I will clear the way for you, upstream. :-)

danbloom....Welcome to my blog and thank you for your comment.

O'Really.....Lord yes, food poisoning can do it. I have had that before and though it didn't kill me, I sure wished I was dead for awhile. Hope you get to feeling better!
I see that you have now joined the ranks of a small number of others here at OS who have grown weary of the non-stop, over-the-top political rhetoric so popular in today's American society. WELCOME!
"I have read, week after week, the stories that appear regularly on the front page and it is clear that anyone wishing to appear there has only to write about “Evil” Christians or “Terrorist Conservatives”. "

The cover of Open Salon is an interesting piece of territory. Open Salon is open in the sense that anyone can post most anything, but on the cover Open Salon becomes Closed Salon.

In my observation it is very difficult for posts written from a conservative point of view to make it on the cover. I have been a member of OS slice April 2008, and I can't recall any conservative post ever having been on the cover, though I suppose it's possible that it has happened.

Here's an interesting example. On OS there have been two posts about the controversy over Professor Thio being hired to teach a course at NYU.

The first post was written from a "liberal," or what I would actually call a leftist perspective:

"Antigay Singaporian Law Professor Won't be Teaching at NYU"
http://open.salon.com/blog/christopher_di_spirito/2009/07/24/antigay_singaporian_law_professor_wont_be_teaching_at_nyu

The author describes himself as a "proud gay man." The post itself is brief, not badly written but nothing to write home about either. It received not only an Editor's Pick, but was also on the cover for two or three days.

The second post was written from what I would call a true liberal perspective, defending academic freedom and freedom of speech. But it failed to bow down before the LGBT community:

"Professor Thio Cancels on NYU Law: Why You Should Care"
http://open.salon.com/blog/michellefabio/2009/07/30/professor_thio_cancels_on_nyu_law_why_you_should_care

This post is considerably longer than the first, contains much more information, and actually makes an argument. It was written by a woman who apparently makes a living as a writer, and the quality of the writining is superior to that of the first post. But it received neither an Editor's Pick nor a place on the cover.

Why it is that OS editors feel the need to practice political favoritism in what shows up on the cover is beyond me.
couldn't agree more, although I think you may exaggerate the predominance of posts denigrating "Christians". IN fact, many of the most popular liberal bloggers on this site regularly proclaim their Christian beliefs. I think what you see a lot of are posts that call out the hypocrisy of those who advertise their Christianity, while supporting some of the most un-Christ-like actions of the previous administration. And I think their criticisms will continue if the current administration continues those actions that condemn.
my last phrase should have said "actions THEY condemn", not "actions THAT condemn". Typing faster than I can think...
Winda...I was weary of the practice before I got here. I thought this place was different. It is to my everlasting regret that it took the departure of a good friend for me to finally speak my mind...I apologize for that.

mishima...I have noticed the same things you speak of and I can not speak for the editors as to why they do what they do. I guess all anybody can do is continue to write the best we can and hope that someone notices that there are other voices out there. Thanks for your comment.

procopius....Thanks for your comment and thanks for visiting my blog. I am very curious to see if the present adminstration catches any of the flak the last one caught, when they continue some practices that have already been protested.
Thanks for your post defining for us all what it really means to post against the post-flow. I'm sure no one here has considered such a point of view before, and will strive, with all urgency, to modify his/her behaviour to better reflect your prerequisites for swimming against the flow.
LOL....Ghost, you actually made me laugh out loud. I don't expect to see a big stampede of change, that was not the reason I posted this. I merely wanted to do what everyone else seems to have no trouble doing....speaking their mind. I could care less whether anyone listens to me or agrees with me. I have said my piece and if it irks some, then so be it. Thanks for the comment as always. It was recieved in the spirit in which it was given.
While I applaud much of what your write, this statement puts paid in in an ugly context for me: "It became the “In” thing to do….degrade and marginalize anyone who does not follow a Liberal agenda."

It seems to me that the Republicans have been in control for a long time and have set the standard for smear tactics and dirty pool. The facts over the past eight years show that the exact opposite has happened -- that the left/liberals have been excoriated at every turn. Now another party is in power and let's just say that the Republicans can't seem to grasp that they were voted out by a majority. They have called the play and given the extraordinary nastiness and deep pockets of their propaganda machine, it's a bit much to hear that the left has been doing the dirty and somehow deserves it. Where are the moderate Republicans? I haven't heard any speaking out. Are there any left?

I say this as someone who doesn't have a horse in this race, I don't live in the States and I'm not American. However, what happens there very much impacts my country and others.

I am shocked that Kristofferson would be part of a song that celebrates the pointless death of young men in an even more pointless war. Celebrating war only leads to more war and deaths, and anyone who thinks that war is glorious and heroic has never been in or around one as I'm sure you know. You made the decision to fight a war that was cynical and wrong, much like the one in Iraq, and I'm sorry that people didn't thank you for it. Why is it you want other young men to suffer and die in another pointless war?
Sorry, that should read: This statement puts paid to it in an ugly context for me.
I grew up in San Diego County. The Marines and the Navy were everywhere, and their children were my classmates. My high school had so many military kids, and they volunteered for service, just like their fathers did. My class of 1968 volunteered 27 young lives to the war in Viet Nam. I still don't believe it was their obligation to any of us to die in that war without questioning what, and who, was sending them. I thought of them every time I looked at George Bush or Dick Cheney. What punks!

I am still not happy with the way that our government made cannon fodder of my classmates' lives and youthful idealism. The way the recruiters played on their loyalty to their military fathers. It was disgusting and dishonest on the part of our government, and if not for journalists like Walter Cronkite no one would have known the truth about that war.

It wasn't stupidity or craven nature that had guys go to Canada or refuse to register for the draft. They were seeing their classmates come home in flag draped coffins. The guys I knew were witnessing the cost because everyone I went to school with had a brother or a friend in the war. Have you forgotten the "America, Love it or Leave it" bumper stickers? Questioning the reasoning behind the war or the government's right to send young men into a war that they might have moral and ethical questions about were reason to ostracize, punish and abuse those who disagreed where I lived.

It wasn't much different than the yelling blowhards at the healthcare forums, or those NRA idiots who pretend like they don't know they are menacing people who don't have guns.

Its a great thing calling for and observing civility, but I think your claim of swimming against the currents is bathed in unchallenged old memories. It took equal amounts of courage to be in opposition to the Viet Nam war as well. People I didn't know followed me and went to my grandmother's home and asked her if she knew what I was up to. Being a good Missouri farm woman by birth, she chased them off the property with her broom. I still don't know who those people were that thought it was okay to figure out who my relatives were, or why they assumed it was okay to show up in a threatening way at my grandparents' home, but swimming against that current took some courage when I was only 18, 19 years old. I did it then and I would do it again.

Old rich men plan wars and send innocent, idealistic young men to pay the cost. It's crap. Those young people who serve our country deserve better leadership than they've had, in addition to our gratitude for their service. Every GI Bill student I ever knew deserved ever cent of the education that was part of their deal for service. And those who came home changed forever, like my youngest uncle, deserved more than our country could ever pay.

There wasn't much 'burn baby burn" at all, except in response to racism. That was blown up the same way the nonexistent 'death panels' are being blown out of all proportion by the wingnut media. all of it lying, sensationalist crap.

I think being civil is important, but I don't think we need to lose our passion for what is right and good.