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AUGUST 16, 2010 11:49PM

Why do OSer's "leave?"

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I could never understand before. Why would, or how could anyone just quit posting and commenting here at OS? Besides dying that is. Or losing their fingers in an awful fire, or having their finger tips gnawed off by rats after an unfortunate boating accident resulting in a long swim to a leper island. A leper island with no broadband no less. Like Australia used to be. Or wait, wasn't Australia just a prisoner dump? Swim you poor bastards! Watch out for the crocs and sharks. Kim Gamble and Natalie I love you!

Strayed off course already. Deep breaths...

I'm starting to get it though. Getting sick of opensalon. It has a certain 'life' that last a finite time... apparently. The fascination is drifting away for me, and that makes me sad. All the people who I admired and looked up to when I signed on are gone. OK, not all, but most. I'm thinking.. wondering, what is the life of a blogger? The length I mean? Apparently two years or less. Only a few hardcore folks keep it up for that long and I feel I may be reaching the point of saturation myself. 

I've turned from humorist to bummorist. Last night I posted about my son's friends suicide. Deleted... Foreclosure. Sick economy.  Maybe that's why I'm losing interest. I don't want to be like that in my posts.

Also, I just can't find that many posts that interest me these days. Seems to be a lot of re-hashes of things I've already seen done, and done better. 

Kit Duncan and her fuckmuppets make me ill.  I thought it was just me until I visited with another OS'er (mostly formal OS'er) last night, that told me I was not alone in that regard. Kit's writing would be wonderful to most eighth graders, and sorry to single you out Kit but to me you represent the new OS... the one that sucks ass. 

The cover? Well that's always been a big bugaboo. Mad Men. Pop culture... At least we used to have some humorous things on there. Deven about her Mom. Priceless stuff always. Her husband died and I doubt she will be back, and I don't blame her at all. She was always a good friend to me.

And why pray tell do I tell every woman I meet about this site? So they can stalk my every blog and comment I make to try to discern deeper meanings? Apparently so. I am an idiot in that regard. 

I have always regarded flouncers with disdain so I will never ever make an "announcement" of departure, but will I suppose just fade away like all those who used to delight me. Many still do. Steve Blevins does. Others, rarely. Linnnnn is wonderfully real. I like L'Heure bleue, sixty candles, scarlett sumac... many many others (TINKSKY. DR. SPUDS. CAP'N P'DEAD). I hate naming names, for better or worse... forgetting betters, excluding worsers.

The fuckmuppets pounced upon one_irritated mother, dubbing her the queen of mean for speaking her mind ever so eloquently and directly. She said STFU to a bunch of whiners. I appreciate directness personally. I despise hidden meanings and backstabbing i.e. smiling in the face of the one you despise with implied niceties and simultaneous digs. Fuck that. I challenge any one here to write as well as her or be as genuine and full of love. 

The shit gets deep here at OS and at some point is just too thick and smelly to muck through anymore.  It can be as negative as it was once positive and I'm getting tired.

Love to my many friends...

 

 

 

 

 

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You're right, it does get boring, and tiresome at times. Then someone else shows up, and then it gets interesting. Like all things. If you need to take a vitality rest, then you should. You are a good writer and a sensitive person, like many here, and probably need "away from people" time. Sometimes people come back, sometimes they don't. It's like high school, but wittier. Best wishes Trig.
We stand proudly behind all freedoms of speech/communique, yet feel it's effect when it turns personal. I hope you don't fade to far...
I envisioned the OS graveyard today. I was going through an old post and discovered that Art James had disappeared. I loved that guy and his unreal comments that I always tried to translate. We were all blessed with Skip Williamson, an artist of exceptional talent and one hell of a writer who is gone, too. What happened to Leapin' Larry and his hilarious comments? I looked through some of my older posts and many who commented are not here or not in my circle anymore and I wonder why. I take breaks from here and have tried other spots but none are any fun. I hate Daily Kos where I used to post regularly due to the toxic, mean collection of assholes who think they know everything but are really a collection of a bunch of bright, super bright people who allow a small group to dominate them. If anyone thinks this place is too negative then they haven't been around on other sites. I love this place. I love that I have such a fine collection of friends here, invisible as they may be. I think I need to expand my circle here as I used to discover more people than I do now. Anywho, I hear you and going through the shit ringer like you have been and are going through it is only natural that a bit of depression would sneak into your writing and thinking. When I fell down the dark hole last year at just about this time, I was gone for three months. When I returned I had to start over completely almost but I did some of my best writing then. Peace brother.
Yes Ms. Bowl. I just want to go to Denmark and rest now.

Amanda you still delight me. Like I said I hat naming names for lack of full inclusion. IT'S?
Hi Trig, sorry to hear that the suicide and other issues have you spinning downward like this. I enjoy your writing, but have been too busy for OS lately. So forgive me for not being a consistent fan.

I seem to miss the big arguments that result in good people leaving. I delight in finding new writers and perspective, while enjoying my old favorites. For me, it's all about the story. Please continue to share yours.
I understand this. I have spent less time here in order to enjoy it more. Less time means my favorites will likely have posted and I can overlook the logjams... I hope you stick around. Take care of you and your son.
Life makes us weary at times. I've been blogging almost 8 years now...and it has been a friend to me like no other...and I have met wonderful people by doing it. Sometimes I have to take a break and live life to get the feeling I have something to say...and then, maybe, won't want to say it when I realize it lasts until only the next post...at least that's how I feel at the moment.

Trig you have always been cool with me.
Bite me blue eyes. You're too smart for your own good, but more jaded than most.. but FWIW you are one of the the few that keep it real here.


Spuds.. the dark place, yeah. May just be a case of optic rectosis for me.

Kris good to see you. It's extremely hard to keep up.
Aww shucks, thanks Trig. I still find some good here and I usually find it in those that plug along and more often than not don't make the front page. Dan Walsh, J.P. Hart, poets like catch-22. I find new stuff all the time. That keeps me here. The youngsters and some seasoned oldsters too. xo
I was inspired by Ken Honeywell/Frank in Indiana to come back and post my latest after a work and travel related hiatus. Frankly I didn't have the time to spend here, which is ok--these things cycle. But for someone like Ken, who never seems to get riled or sucked into the passive aggressive duplicitous "camaraderie" and consistently post flat out gorgeous writing means I should keep trying as well. There are still many who are putting out wonderful things, mhold, douglas moran, writer to the stars, skeletnwmn, and spudman who's commented here,...simply gorgeous stuff. They and others are inspiring. It's hard to ignore the smarmy, but it's the best way. You've heard it a million times: write what you know, write for yourself--the friends will support you.

best wishes trig.

(I do lament the loss of friends, and some gorgeous talent has disappeared...the list is long. But you can still add to the good.)
Again, forgive me, early on-set.
R ...
p.s don't let it get you down.
You are far too fucked up to be anywhere else.
And far too good a person to try. In sickness and in health, trig.
This is grief, trig. Kicking in and kicking hard.
This is why I take a break now and then. :)

-R-
You'll always be a dick weasel no matter what you decide to do, dude, but if you're going to be an asshat (and we KNOW you will) you might as well be an asshat here. ;~)

I won't have anybody to swap insults with, if you "fade" and that would REALLY piss me off.

P.S. XOX Hahahahahaha!
I know, dude. I'm starting to think that everyone is an ass but you and me... and frankly, I'm not so sure about you. ;-)

You may have noticed I'm on here a lot less. I have been around enough to notice ol' reliable Trig has been MIA lately. Whatever happens, I hope you stay in touch.
I was very sorry to read of your son's friend's suicide. It seems to have hit you pretty hard, and understandably so. I have been here for about six months and have seen many changes in OS - some good, some not so good. I will say this: if you leave, I will miss you.
Yes and ladyslipper, she's very special. She's a gem...

Boanerges Redux recently came back too.

p.s. I like the madmen stuff. Okay I'll go away now.
Trig I have been on about a year, you, Duane, Robin and some others were here welcoming me. hey don't leave me know. I am lonely, broke and fucked up just as we all are. so keep showing me pics of Trigx, robot movies, insect sex and what not because i really need to know I am not alone.
I think you have to do what you've got to do, if that means take a break, then you must do it. I think you are a gifted writer and I have enjoyed your work. Kim said, this is grief. I believe that too. I know that there is a lot to be grieving these days and it takes its toll. I have been there. I have experienced the suicide end of it, close to me and far from me. As to the personalities here, well, yes, it can be something else. I have appreciated you.
what barry said. written in indelible ink.

also, staying here and having people read your stuff and know who you are when you comment on theirs, that takes a lot of time and effort. new people have come (newer than me, i mean) in just the year i've been here that are every bit as good as some of the good ones who left. but you have to find them. and then you wind up with a long list of people whose work you'd like to read but you don't have time to read all of it. and then, whoa, where's the time to write anything?? on top of which, you need a break now and then because the routine just gets stale. like life does.

i got a PM from 1Mom that she'll be back after she gets settled, so she's not gone. august is pretty slow because of vacations; a lot of people have been away lately and are starting to filter back.

and there are people who stir shit up and call people names and talk behind backs and all that ridiculous, juvenile stuff -- here and on every site. and i don't like it and don't like what they post, but you know what? i don't read it. i stopped. i don't watch the train wrecks anymore. and i don't read the negative, whiny stuff because it's a downer. i need that? i don't think so. and also because i'd rather spend *all* that time reading good stuff written by good writers who are sad or funny or insightful or amazing. there are plenty of them here.

life has been pretty crappy for you lately. i hope you're just bummed and need a break. we all do sometimes. take one and clear your head. then come back because you miss us.
:( I miss the Krew, where we ruled the nights with our antics of piratehood and crap till, well, I think Cap'n farted and killed our chances with new recruits.

~huge hug~ Always remember, right now, there's folks out there in worse shit than us. Really. I know, hard to believe and yes, the shit around here gets high, but I've giving up on trying to keep up with it, the divides and alliances around here changes too quickly for me to keep up, one day you're best friends with someone, the next you're an asshat. Fuck that.

I just write my shit and if anyone cares to read it, awesome. I've giving up on Ed I Tor loving me and picking me, it ain't going to happen, because I'm too dangerous, I might get a bigger ego if they put me on the cover and become, well, A DIVA!!! :D

Just write, step back, wave, whenever it feels right, if you don't want to write the sad shit, don't, cause truthfully, when I get down in the dump ala depression, it doesn't help for me to write about it, because well, then I end up pissed and wanting to kill everyone.

**another hug** Who loves you? That's right, the bill collectors do!! They sure do me, keep calling, with important messages....pfffft....not important to me...DELETE!! ;)
To echo BBE, I'll tell you what I told Surly when I dragged her back here by the ear: you make the place, the place doesn't make you.

Facing the abyss is when you put on a paper hat and are making biscuits at 5 AM for minimum wage at a Hardees. I don't mean as a lark while going to college. I mean as the alpha and omega. You can either say it all sucks and let it eat you alive or make your own space and humor and live to fight another day. So compared to that, OS is a cakewalk.

But it's also an energy drain, a luxury, and people leave when they don't get what they want out of it for all their efforts. One starts to feel a sense of ownership after so much investment here. But nobody owns OS and that's the beauty of it. So again, prepare to be disappointed if one is trying to make OS in one's own image.

That said, 1_Irritating_Mom is the biggest whiner on here :)
Humorist to bummorist, either way you're human. When I get screwed big time the only way to get past it is to have what other people call a pity party. Screw them, if they think I shouldn't have one, then they don't get cake.

Let it rip, have a pissed off pity party here, shit you paid for it in blood. Who cares if it's good writing, they put in a delete button. Hell if they put one in life I'd delete half the shit I did and three quarters of the things I've said.

Why shouldn't you feel bummed for you, you feel bummed when this shit happens to other people. Your friend died, you're uprooting your son because your home has been stolen by a bunch of lazy, incompetent, fat fucking banker scum. I'd gladly toss one of them off a roof for you in an honor ceremony (and you thought I was nice). Tink would piss on the splat. Okay, now I have you started...

BTW, it's hard for me to attach to people and I would be sad if you left. (Did I say that in my outside my head voice?)
Hi Trig, I don't have time to be profiund so I'll just leave this:

Don't leave yet. I feel exactly as you do and even posted it (for 5 hours) Saturday night :-)

There's still enough of the good stuff to stick it out for now, IMHO. I'd missss you!
Trig, I resisted the urge to read the other posters' comments. What can I say, I also have a love/hate relationship with this place.

I think if you're a writer here, you'd better be darned good or else you'll get called out. Even decent writers (I call myself decent, I don't pretend to be "good") find their comeuppance here. If you can't handle that, go elsewhere. There are a lot of retired journos here and others who know the equations are to good writing.

Also, please stay relevant. Read the news. Churn it around in your mind-stomach. We could always use more people who read here.

In any event, just keep on keeping on. If you don't, nobody gives a flying fish what you think.
Trig who are the women of OS gonna flirt with?
I just got into a big, FAT argument with my husband about how much time I'm spending here; the first of it's kind. If I can't take that as a sign to cut back, I'm clearly an asshole. It's all about moderation. We just need to get some.
Do you need an assignment? I stick around mostly because where else can i post poems - and everything else is gravy.
I need an assignment, to tell the truth.
For some reason I think about how cool it would be to visit you and yours ) especially jlynne) and I love knowing I would be welcome.
of course, i will be rlelgated to the porch due to snoring. Thats OK - I like it outside!
I think you are swell, if that matters. I also have a porch and a spare bedroom , if you ever want to visit or need a place to stay. xo to you -
OS is a giant cosmic cross between a potluck and a cafeteria. You bring what you have to share. You take what you need and leave the rest. You go home when you're full. You come back when you want more. That's all.
Is there some hidden meaning to STFU?
WHAT STFU STANDS FOR:

STAND THE FALLEN UNICORNS....

or

SWALLOW TASTY FROZEN UNICYCLES

or

SHUT THE F*CK UP

or

STAN TALKS FALLEN URANUS

or

((HOURS LATER))

That's it!! \;)
People do what they do because people are people. Life happens. Other things come first.

A while back, when I was pretty new here and averaging about 3 comments per post, I pretty much thought I was just entertaining myself. So when I got busy and didn't post anything for a couple of weeks, it never occurred to me to say anything about it. Then when I did post something again, I was amazed at all the people saying "welcome back, missed you, glad to see you again." It was a total surprise.

I've read a few of the "flounce" posts that have appeared, and frankly, I didn't see the point. "Nobody likes me, everybody hates me, I'm gonna eat worms." So? And you're telling everybody this why?

I write because I like to write. And although I enjoy the comments and discussions, I'd still write even without them. And frankly, I don't want to get into all the personal scuffles that go on here. As Oryoki pointed out, it's like High School, and who wants to do THAT again?
Read and rate.

And comment.

Hang the fuck in, and read and rate and comment.

Tis easy peasy baby........hang around with us. We fucking love you, Steve, do not LEAVE us!
I love the rant. The other rants, too. I don't understand, tho, why people get sososo deep into personlities here that they care abt a flounce.
r.
I come and go around here. I work a lot sometimes. I try to put my family first. And after two years here, I don't think what I like to write about interests many folks on OS.

I am not a popular culture fanatic. I don't want to be that up on the news, it's just all so damned depressing. I'm trying to enjoy growing older without spending all my time pissed like the folks who don't like or agree with me.

I come and go here and look for the posts of people who've shown some skill or insight into something that interests me or some humor about life.

I don't have any time for the smug asshats and I've never thought that you were one. I did give up wanting a cover here a long time ago. It was way too much like trying to be popular (and shallow) in high school. I lost interest pretty quick. It's not in my DNA. I like finding ways to engage in self-expression, writing being the primary means for me, but I also find I have enjoyed using photographs to illustrate what I am saying about having a well-lived life.

I am busy trying to love my life. All that other stuff is just boring or stressful and I don't want to spend my time with asshats more interested in being 'right' than being alive. As an old sixties girl I say "joke 'em if they can't fuck a duck." Really, they don't give a fig about me and there is no benefit in spending any time worrying about those who don't appreciate us.
I'm not entirely gone. I sort of feel constrained at times. I've done my shtick a few times and got some interest. What else do I do? I have lots of funny stories, and many ways I can talk about my problems, but I'm sort of tired of that.

OS was also eating my life. I get to bed at 2 instead of 4 these days. Well, most of the time. I'm interested in other things, and with my reading speed, I have a choice of OS or the rest of my life. I still care very much about you and your family and don't want to lose touch.

There are more things I need to say about me, my thoughts, my life, my kinks, my adventures and mishaps. Some of those things are embarrassing. I begin to doubt that I am a worthwhile topic. I need to look at this as a writing site, which means that experiments are good, failures are good if they teach you something. Sometimes I don't write what's on my mind because I start to worry about what people will think of me. That's silly. Y'all don't care if I'm a pervert with a drinking problem and a fugitive warrant for arson of a daycare, do you?
I have to admit I'm not the most regular poster anymore. I come and go when I have something to say. It used to be I received a lot of Covers and ECs... now, I could stand on my head, hold my breath and fart the alphabet and not get a single thumbs up... so, as I have concluded with everything in life, you have to do it for yourself. My mom used to write letters to herself or talk to herself when she needed to work something out. I'm sure that was the precursor of blogging.

So, come and go as you please... this place apparently ain't going away but you will always have certain folks that will be happy to see you when you return. At least, that's what works for me at this point.

Cheers and good luck with whatever you do.

Yours in FC (foreclosure)
EMDC
Trig, You're humor has outweighed many others here. There as so many sides to you that you have shown us and each is to be admired. The good, the bad and the ugly. One of the things I've always enjoyed about you was that diversity. You didn't bore me. You can pick a topic and make it funny, asinine or downright thought provoking. How many here do you know that can so that? Our lives often dictate what we write Trig. Your videos were energetic, lively and darn right funny. Your posts on your son and your Mom were extremely heartwarming. Your recent post was heart wrenching but was a part of what was going on in your life at the time that you felt the need to express. If writing helps in a medicinal way why not let it? I enjoy OS in the limited manner in which I can be here. I don't have the allotted time to be here on a continuous basis and frankly, I've become overwhelmed by the amount of folks I've added as favs. that I can't read or comment to now never mind adding new ones. But, the wonderful aspect of my life being taken up by other daily functions is that when I do get to come here it's like a renewal for me. Why not find something to do offline that brings you as much enjoyment as you used to find here and split your time between the two? If I had to spend 24/7 caring for Mom I'd go ballistic. The same if I had to devote that much time to the business and again if I were to do that here. It's a life balance Hon and maybe that's what you need in order to enjoy it all. Love ya and am here if you need a perk. ~r
Look what you just did. That's incredible.
You're the can-opener man. Cop it.
FWIW I am just really busy with trying to turn a grand mishmash into a book. I would have never thought of myself as "hardcore" but I'm over two now. I can see a lot of the truth in the changes and share the sadness of seeing so many people drift away that you refer to. Still, I will hag around and if the spirit moves me I will put fingers to keys and start again.
Oh brother, the "threatening-to-leave" trick, just to find out how popular you are. And? Do enough people love and admire you to convince you to stay? It IS like high school. Yuck.
Trig, it looks like you've just invented the un-flounce. For people who want to flounce without *looking* like they're flouncing. See, now you can go off for a week or two and everybody will think you've flounced and split. And then when you get back, write a little blurb or two-- just sticking your toe in the water, as it were-- and say "See, I'm still here-- I didn't split after all!" And then you'll get lots of posts patting you on the back and expressing camaraderie, all the while you're planning your next little getaway. This time for longer. Maybe go on walkabout for a bit. But as long as you stop in every couple of weeks and write a little something, probably nobody will catch on and you can stay in that hazy region where nobody really knows for sure.

So, if you're leaving, so long. If not, welcome back. If you're somewhere in-between, then just channel a little Jimmy Durante...


"Did you ever get the feeling that you wanted to go,
But still had the feeling that you wanted to stay.
You knew it was right, wasn't wrong.
Still you knew you wouldn't be very long.
Go or stay, stay or go,
Start to go again and change your mind again.
It's hard to have the feeling that you wanted to go,
But still have the feeling that you wanted to stay.
Do, re, mi, fa, so, la, ti, do.
I'll go.
I'll stay."


Sorry to hear about your son's friend. That's a bummer. Take care of yourself and your family. That's what is really important in this world.
Trig, bottom line is to be happy.
I come to write. People can either leave it, or read it.
I understand though and hope you don't go
I rate with hugs because I really mean them
Part of it may be due to the summer months. We're all outside doing "stuff." We let our brains wander around and kind of forget about OS and even think of it as a pain. But once winter sets in, the brain looks for a new yard to play in = OS.

Don't go!
That was a nice thing to say, Barry.

The fact is, there is still some gorgeous work being done here. It's not always as evident as it used to be, and it's really difficult to not get sucked into the bullshit vortex; it's like trying to read Thich Nhat Hanh while everyone else in your crowded theater is yelling, "Fire!" Especially when there's no fire.

Kind thoughts and good vibes streaming your way, Trig.
I am so sorry about your son's friend.
Oh, Trig....how I do miss your rantings....;-D I was 'talking' with Jon Magee the other day and he asked why I'd been scarce on OS. Somehow the convo veered off into what were some of my favorite things about OS and I had to say it was Critical Mess's daily scrawl because there is so much GOOD about OS and it was nice to have someone who cared enough to openly seek out what made it so special and unique.

I can't tell you how much this site has meant to me in the almost two years since I've joined. The people here are talented, neurotic, joyful, boisterous, encouraging and critical which all served to make me (and others) better writers. I can't completely quit any of you...so I stick my head in every now and again and I'm reminded (once again) of why I fell in love with all of you.

I keep coming back because there is a certainty that I will learn something that will be useful to me at some point in my life or I will laugh until my sides hurt. So, I am willing to bet that all of the flouncers or folks who have simply taken a break from posting are still here. We may not make our presence known, but we still visit on occasion.....like the prodigal son....we will always find our way back home.
I'm new here, so I don't have the experience that so many people here have on what's been going on here, but as one of the newer members, I would like to say that I can kind of understand where you're coming from, because I've been reading a lot of the depresso articles myself and almost decided this wasn't the place for me.

I write a lot of humor, so it's been really hard making the transition from my regular writing blog to this place, but I saw something here that told me that this would be a cool place to hang out. I think what consumes a lot of people is the desire for momentary fame and the disappointment that it hasn't happened. That happens in a lot of places, and you either understand that or you end up moving on, looking for the next best opportunity to somehow glorify yourself.

Fortunately, your time here has obviously been productive (from at least what the other people have posted), so you have a history here. But don't cast off the next generation of people who arrive because they're somewhat overwhelmed by the depresso people. Like most venues, the shining lights will shine through. It just takes time to filter out the problematic lights that never worked out of the box in the first place.
Trig best to you man...I never got caught up in all the hoopla, and the flaming. I just try to write better.
I didn't know what existential nausea really was until I'd hung around OS past the newbie zeal phase. Okay, I still don't know, but these days enthusiasm for the place ("It's what you make it!") sometimes makes me want to vomit. The much-vaunted fabulous writing that is supposedly everywhere ("Too much to read!")? I'm not seeing it. Maybe it's the nausea.
Kit Duncan and her fuckmuppets make me ill. I thought it was just me until I visited with another OS'er (mostly formal OS'er) last night, that told me I was not alone in that regard.

You are not alone.
Trig - you know I love ya. Take an OS vaca. What you love is still stuck on the wall somewhere -- probably under one of Tink's lolcats posters. I think the thing you're talking about can be summed up in one word. I could never quite put my finger on it either, but yesterday someone very smart mentioned it to me -- "playfulness". It may just be that certain flavor of organic playfulness you miss. Hang in there (from cat poster) and do your thing / or don't. Be happy wherever doing whatever you want to do. That's the one good thing about OS ... no reservations required (also from a cat poster? album cover?)

xoxo

oh yhea --
fuck off, Harry. ;)
Oh shit! Oh shit! Oh well!
Same here but not at all.
I go now stay and that's the truth.
Dunno how long I been here.
Duunno how much I care.
Life: It's not for the easy.
Hi, trig. I'm sorry to hear about the bummer side of things.

On leaving: I was an active OSer for quite a while. During that time I made some good friends and produced some good writing, I think. The novelty of blogging drew me in; the rewards of being creative and interacting with smart people kept me here. Events in my personal life caused a change in perspective, though, and I left, later deleting all my posts. (Why? For me, OS is a community and a place where you create a representation of yourself through your work. I was unhappy at that time with that representation; it had nothing to do with the community per se.) I came back, once I thought I could do a better job of balancing my online activities with the rest of my life. I still appreciate the friendships I've made here, and I keep in contact with many OSers, current and former, but in the balance, I just have less time.
Aw, trig, I'd hate to lose my best boyfriend. They're so hard to find at my age.

You have so much crisis and worry going on right now, it really would be hard to be Mr. Sunshine Pants. I can tell from the joy you put into your 'good news' posts that you aren't a woe-is-me kind of guy.

As for online nastiness, I've found it pretty easy to disengage and watch from the sidelines in fascinated horror. Unlike problem neighbors/co-workers/family members, online personas are only as real as you allow them to be. But if you need to take a break, please send postcards!
It's best to balance OS with a healthy dose of real life and real people, I've found, and there's quite a lot said here that would not (I hope) be said in person. But I always enjoy reading what you write, and I hope you don't wander too far off. You're one of the good ones.
Trigster,
It's another day. The sun is shining. And the it dawned in me ... I can be slow late at night. This wasn't a flounce was, it?
Good morning. Nothing like a meta post is there...

Thanks to all, apologies to some. I'm sure I haven't put enough effort into 'discovery' of good content. I know it's out there. Yes, I remember all too well starting here from nothing and having no readers... For me that wasn't that amazing because I wrote like shit. I've learned much though since that time, from those many who I read. Now I can pull it off passably, sometimes at least. I owe a debt of gratitude to this site.
Playfulness? Yes, that's what I miss. Once again, maybe it's that I'm not looking hard enough. I have been rather self absorbed lately, admittedly.
I've slept now. Re-reading this this morning I realize that it's way over-dramatic. Seriously though; didn't post this so I could disappear for two weeks, then post 'a blurb' and have people tripping over themselves to 'welcome me back.'
I'm sure I'll post. It's part of my life now and I just can't help writing my thoughts and observations. It's a therapy of sorts as I'm sure many would agree. I definitely need to spend more time reading and appreciating the many wonderful minds who put their hearts and souls out here. And yes, I need to quit mourning the loss of those who lost interest, or just disappeared from this place for whatever reason. Still, that part makes me sad. Can't help it...

CrazeCzar you fucking prick. My hair is my own. Not ashamed to FACE the camera either. I've aged well, and don't need a blue pill to get a boner either. Go WRITE something you negative creep. Think you can do that? Write something besides shitty comments? And when/if you can pull that off could you try something new, like leaving your comments open? Fucktard..
Thanks Trig. You managed to sum up a lot of my thoughts about OS far, better than I could. And I'm glad to find out that I'm not the "Lone Ranger".
An appropriate food tip:

Beware of dragons, for you are crispy and good with ketchup.

Triglet, the chicks abide, man. Never doubt that.

(thumbified. rock on whicha bad self)
I really need to get my glasses - I thought that said something about "rocking on the sofa bed"
Wow. After reading your last comment, I think you're my kind of writer-man. I love a man who can swear creatively. I am in awe. CrazeCzar commented ONCE on one of my posts. Since it was basically incoherent, I had no idea what the hell he was talking about and therefore did not feel particularly wounded. Lucky me!
PS Happy to hear the good news about the blue pill, good for you!
I am probably going the rains of Hell for this . But bring it on. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out! Bye Bye
I figure that ya gotta do what ya gotta do . . . take a break, enjoy some fresh air . . . whatever. That why I never tell someone to "stay" - but I recommend leaving the light on, just in case. 'Cuz occasionally you might miss us as much as we'd miss you.
trig, for me, I just get bored with the same old stories, the newbies enthusiastically re-creating the wheel and thinking it's something shiny and new, the stupid dust-ups, and the gushing about good writing when there is not enough of it, really. I do think the latest editor has done a lot to clean up some of the mess that us "old-timers" lived through in the last two years.

There IS good writing still, but you have to wade through a lot of mediocre stuff to find it, which takes time. Which is hard to give to OS, if you're trying to have a balanced life.

I miss a lot of people that have wandered in and out of OS. But I used to post weekly to "keep up with the community," and now I find that there are just too many members for it to be a "community" anymore. Now I only post if there's something I'm needing to share, but I post so rarely that I have very few readers anymore.

And this has been the summer of suck for a lot people, and they may just feel overwhelmed with it all, and tired of blogging about how sucky life feels for them. And what with all the apocalyptic world shit going down right now, a lot of the OS navel-gazing seems out of sync with reality.

That said, I still come by and read a bit daily. And I'll probably post again, when I have something I think is worth saying. I hope you do the same.
Trig, I'm still here! That should either be enough to make you run for the hills or catch the next train out of OSville!!
Re-reading this this morning I realize that it's way over-dramatic.

Does this mean that from now on I can call you a freak'in self-proclaimed drama queeny, asshated, dick weasel?

How cool is THAT! :~D

OXO ~ **Snerk**
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Trig, if you leave I will be one of the few posters from the middle of the country, this leaves me with STEVE! He's okay but... :) (Just kidding!)

You sorry asshole if you leave I will find you I swear. I have left lots of times simply due to my insecurities about my writing and the topics I choose. I am here just feel like I'm around creative people, and I don't claim to be a writer to enthrall anyone.

Seriously, I think I vented a lot of negative stuff just to show others they aren't the only ones going through stuff, then I know it gets old. It is just a part of our lives, not the whole thing. Then I feel bad, and delete.

I've enjoyed your work here and if you leave I'll come up there and put bengay in your shorts!
I have been offline for nearly three weeks. What a delicious and beautiful experience. I wish could live life sans pixels, but I'm back to the struggle with the dinosaur/be of my time thing.

I am so sorry that you have a big plate of crappity crap to eat right now. We all get served up a few of those. No need to feel like you must be the upbeat guy all the time. How exhausting. You have invested plenty in the bank of OS and are entitled to make some withdrawals. I'm ready to read about the crappity details, no problem. While I hope that you will hang around, in case you don't, I am glad to have made your acquaintance.
hi.
you cant leave.
i havent flirted with you enough to piss off your stalkers yet.
thats my new goal. *waves at the trig harem*

seriously though...as you know, i too hate the fuckmuppet parade. lately i have looked at the cover and wondered if this was the sort of 'first impression' i wanted MY writing to have. the cover speaks to what sort of place this is & represents what sort of writers are here & frankly? it has never really represented me, but i was ok with that because the writing it showcased was solid. not so much lately.
the question for me becomes 'now what?' move on (other places are not so different)? stay & try to drown out the muppets? i dunno. i have to write...might as well do it here.
Trig,
You are so dear for saying such a kind thing about me. I think you are one of the most authentic men I have had the pleasure of meeting here at OS as well.

If you fade-flounced, you can bet I would keep tuning in to your place to see if you were back yet every single day. Joni Mitchell in Carey said it so well: "Oh, you're a mean 'ol daddy but I like you!"

Now let's get on down to the Mermaid Cafe and drink us a bottle of wine.
What they said.

Oh, yeah, and fuck off Harry.
Trig:

I wish I could relate better to your OS gripes. But, since I visit the place only occasionally, I don't know enough about the personalities involved to comment. (I'm not hip enough to know what "fuckmuppetry" is, either.)

I do, however, know a few general things about the politics of message boards: how they give people license to say things that would get them knifed in a just world; how factions and blocs form; how online feuding becomes a low-cal substitute for life. The fact that many people -- including you, apparently -- burn out after a while makes me feel better about our whole species. If you'd been content to hang around forever, fucking muppets or whatever, I'd be worried.

Best of luck finding a new venue.
Yessss! I was hoping for a Surly response!
Write. Read. Live your life.
How dare you not agree with everyone who doesn't care about what everyone else thinks so they spend hours each day scolding those people whose opinions they don't care about?

Oh, and you're ugly and your mama dresses you funny.

Isn't the internet FUN?
Hey, Trig... the fade happens. It did for me. And, yes... it's about a change in tone, a decline in quality, and... yes... the influx of fuckmuppets.

Some folks came aboard OS without care for whatever was already here: Good writing, generosity, kindness, and the occasional launching of the SS Dorothy Parker (Remember the Devonian invasion? Remember Ramesh?).

I keep reading that good writing still exists on OS, but I think that without the efforts of someone like WSFTC? (Is there anyone like our Cat?) it's a huge effort to find it. And that, I believe, is what has been lost on OS. Cat loved, LOVED, finding good pieces to promote. She loved finding good writing, even in snippets, and she did it all in her non-existent free time. It's a rare person who would do such a thing.

Anyway... I miss that spirit... and I understand why you feel the fade.
Hey, Trig, if professors can take a sabbatical to recharge their batteries, why don't you? I hope you work through your grief and frustration. Please remember, OS is a creative outlet. I joined because I felt the need to write, and, yes, sometimes vent. It helps, but not always. If it doesn't work for you anymore, I understand the need to go. I will miss your unique brand of wisdom, but I hope you feel the need to share in the future! R
Trig, you are right. Sometimes it seems like theres no point in posting. Many times I would like to post something "cute" or "witty", but most of the time, I am in a bad mood ( hence my blog headline ). I usually leave my personal rants in the comments section. There are some people I absolutely admire, even though I think they rarely bother to read my own posts! Then there are others who I really can't stand, but I don't let it bother me---too much. Good luck to you, whether you stay or go. That is a personal decision. Just remember, if you post nothing. There will be nobody reading it!
I stumbled across OS and was intrigued - a place where people were actually contributing original thoughts and ideas! I found myself reading a variety of posts each day and following the comments. But it quickly lost its appeal as the writing became less important than the conversations in the comments. I couldn't follow what was happening anymore - cryptic posts that were more about real-life meetups and interpersonal drama. Then the editor switchups resulted in a cover full of TV show reviews. I couldn't find the original writing any longer and couldn't devote the time to participate in the comment discourse, which appears to be lively after midnight?

So by not participating in the comments, I never developed any true "followers" that I knew would even glance at my posts. My first post got 16 comments and it all went downhill from there. Soemtimes my comments were acknowledged, but other times I was skipped over in the midst of a chit-chat among friends. I used to think that I didn't care if people read my posts - that the writing process was cathartic and energizing - but checking back hours later to an empty comment section started to be demoralizing. If I'm going to invest my emotional energy into my writing, it turns out that I really DO want someone to read it. I've thought about writing about some personal challenges I've been facing lately, but I realized that I don't dare put it out there - I can't decide whether its worse to go unacknowledged or to have some idiot decide to offer their opinions on my writing style or grammar. Without a long list of followers, my only hope is that someone is intrigued by my post for the 10 seconds in appears in the New Post section, but that section gets swallowed up quickly by advertisements and "chit-chat" posts that really have no content (which is starting to feel like Twitter, i.e. let me tell you what I'm thinking about with a new post every 15 minutes). Or that someone likes a comment I made and decides to check out my blog.

But the real kicker was going on vacation - I came back home and just forgot that OS even existed. Turns out I didn't miss it - it had become a habit to check in, read a few posts, then move on to something else. Without any human connection to keep me engaged, OS is just another website with stories to read.
Yeah, where else can I get a harem like this?

For the "don't let the door hit you in ass" contingent, I totally understand. That's probably what I would have said if I ran across this written by someone else, unless I knew them. Funny thing (kinda) is that those people never leave comments, but dash over here to help with a foot in my ass. We all can't like each other can we... and yes, I've rather "attacked" Kit haven't I. Why? Because I don't like her smarmy crap. Want to hate me for not liking Kit? Be my guest.

CrazeCzar... I bow to you. Glad I got to read AGAIN about your success in business (for someone that works 60 hours a week you spend a lot of time sniffing around OS for people to slam.. and I have a deck job starting tomorrow; I'm only a partial failure, so there). Oh yeah, you have healthy "relationships" too. Good for you pal. If you posted something maybe I could learn to hate you, like Kit. Go on being a dick. Hope your shitty attitude keeps serving you well. Hard for me to take criticism about my writing from someone who admittedly can't write.

Seems I have more friends than enemies though. I count that as good fortune. Thanks for the articulate comments, and the smarty pants one too.
I am in a transitional phase of my life.
Change is difficult dontchaknow, but I'm determined to make the next chapters in my life happy ones. I've raised my kid... successfully. THAT is my greatest accomplishment. He is an exemplary human.
No doubt I'll be back here posting the good the bad and the ugly (no I'm NOT going to post about CC) when I get back on track, hell, probably before then. I'm pretty much addicted to this format to tell the truth.
Aaahhhhhh Trigger. I get it. All of it. It's been a blasted hellish year, I miss some things and some people, but am so out of OS nowadays I can't/don't want to keep up with the 'sides' or the 'crap', or the 'people' --but as someone said, I leave a light on. I hope if I pm you, your light will be on too. (just look who showed up in this string to see all those who have lights on and still lurk, although seem to be 'gone').
I thought Lorianne was in the harem?
Squares suddenly form a circle when it's time for "their" jerk.
Poppin' here at lunch to follow these comments. Funny huh? How everyone says they hate Meta but it always gets the most response.

Yes, there is no question that some good writers have left. Sometimes they occasionally come back , which is nice. They don't seem to get the support they once had. I get the impression (and it is only an impression) that people make sweeping generalizations about whose side one belongs too. The new or old. The past is the past, folks. Make it what you want it. Or not.

I'm surprised by those who say they can't find good writers? Do they actually read or go on a pre conception. I'm not being snotty -- that is a valid question. There has always been and there will always be a circle jerk. Doesn't mean you have to join in on the jerk off. There are other campfires to gather round. Because of the climate here I have been only posting light fluff lately. I think it is time for a change.

Trig, your by-line at the top says it all.
::Off to write now.::
Circle jerk, yeah... Amanda, wanna join the harem? You must speak to Rita. She is the secretary general and #1 Pennsylvania wifey. And yes, of course Lorianne is in the harem, representing the southern California contingent. Kisses to the ladies... Tink, you can join too
I haven't left (I hate the word "flounce') but I also haven't posted since July. The main reason? The cover has become almost completely devoid of humor, which is what I write. It's not that I have a desperate need to make the cover (God knows, that's happened plenty of times) I just don't care much for the editorial slant OS has taken. A lot of humorists on OS are ignored. Nowadays, very few hard copy magazines use humor -- one of the reasons I liked OS was because it was different in that respect. Now I just don't care anymore.
Thanks for the articulate comments, and the smarty pants one too.

**disgusting chills from having Trig even THINK about my pants**

ummm, Lorianne and Amanda... seeing as how Trig completely disrespected you both by being such a condicending pig, I'd like to offer MY "friendship" and invite you to join the Anti-Harem... If you want we COULD let Trig join, but only after he grovels at our feet and builds us all new porches.

BTW, I really like what you did with your hair. looks nice :~)

P.S. Does anybody know why all the women in Trig's life call him "Tiny"????
BTW, I find it terrifically funny that three of the Top Ten posts are either inspired by, to inspire or are written by Trig Palin! Are you Mr. Meta today or what?
I don't often cross paths with you, and enough people have already opined one way or the other. I will just say that I am addicted and I need to withdraw but I can't because this has been the most creative period I've had in years. I am about to start a serious short story that may just become a novel....which would never happen because in the real world I know that writing a novel is a complete waste of time given the economics and the politics of the situation. I will have to deal with my addiction but I can't simply go cold turkey. There are at least ten people out there who might actually notice after a few days...okay maybe a few more. I have no advice, nor any implorations (go fuck yourself word checker; if I say it's a word, it's a word) and try to have a good day. It's all up to you. You create your own universe. (Oh my god, if this is the world I've created I'm really fucked up.)
So sorry about your son's friend. About leaving . . . I post if I think I need the attention or believe it will advance my writing somehow to do so. I'm on the fence these days, too.
At least two or three times a week I feel as you do. The contention between these OS camps, which I don't claim to understand; and the redundancy in some of the writing and content gets to me. And I include myself in that mix. I am redundant because I am using my words to help me move past this evolutionary stasis. But it is a pathetic and slow process.
And I've got the annoying burden of an often fucked up life to contend with. For me OS was supposed to be a refuge from all that crap. The last thing I need is more contention.
You told me OS was at the root a social network, so I try to be social. But that holds its own danger because I don't recognize cliques and when you're not wise to that dynamic, you often become an unwitting victim of it.
I don't know if I am a fuckmuppet because I'm not sure what that is. Judging others, particularly others I don't even know beyond what they choose to reveal about themselves in their writing, is a waste of time.
Labeling is a wonderful system of classification but it also has diabolical undertones. Vitriolic labeling leads to division and division leads to discontent and discontent leads to all out dissension and war.
I'll take dialogue over dissension any day.
I came here to improve my own writing by reading those who are better than I am and challenging myself.
I have yet to find one single writer here who does not have something of value to offer the mix no matter their level of technical competency. People here are really amazing.
If processing your grief and struggle through words helps you, keep doing it.
More people benefit from discovering they are not alone in their sorrowful challenges than tire from hearing about those of others. In fact, commiserating and providing solace to another is often the very best way to improve our own darkened emotions.
Backing off is good, too, but only if you think so.
We all do our share of venting, and you have a TON of friends and admirers here, amigo!
I hope these crappy days run through their course soon, trig. Theoretical darkness can weigh a ton. I'm sorry I missed you last week. Come around again sometime. I'll be here just fuckin around, filling in one hole just so I can dig another one. Like I said, it's a process, but I hope you stick around OS so I can continue to torment you with mine. You know I love ya. Be well....:)
Amy's - groveling? count me in!!
Damn.. 100 comments, very few of which are mine. And yeah, meta is such a dirty word. No wonder people do it constantly.
Susan you are no fuckmuppet, for what it's worth.
Rated for alienating fuckmuppets. Unrated for bitching bordering on whining. Re-rated for drawing Czarina out of his Girl Scout shell. His obsession with avatars is priceless, especially given that his own avy shows someone face-fucking themselves with a bullwhip.
Okay, I'll admit. You got me stressed. Just joined a week ago, and now you're telling me OS is old and boring and tired. How did I so totally miss this boat? What the hell was I doing when it was fun and witty and weird? Crap.
It's still fun and witty and weird, never fear. Just ignore the cover and delve into what people have to say on their blogs; it takes a little work but is always worth it.
I'm not really part of the community you speak of, but I'm sorry OS has lost its appeal for you. Maybe two years is a natural arc for people who are not necessarily dedicated writers but who have something to say. They cover the main events of their lives and present them and commune with others who do the same. It's a meaningful experience that satisfies a human need. But then it's over and people move on to other activities because writing was never their great, essential love.
Drew~Silla and Miss Misk. The harem door is open. Come on in.

WfW you missed a LOT of good stuff. Apparently it's still out there, somewhere...
We need a list of fuckmuppets, agitators, trolls, voices of reason *ahem*, lurkers who PM but never comment, vice-chancellors (just sounded cool), harem women, harem women pirates, tink-bait provocateurs injecting silly putty botox, jumpers of the snark, outlanders with/without attitude, grenade throwers who runaway afterwards never to return, two-faced accusers praising you while slinging peanut butter, and most of all: easy lays on the Salon of the Open.
"Drew~Silla and Miss Misk. The harem door is open. Come on in"

He's talking about the Anti-Harem, ladies. Lorianne and I have him in here grovelling and mopping the floors. If he does a good job, we might let him sit quietly at our feet. That is if he stops his incessant whining.

BTW, DS, thanks for reminding me about his comments to Czarina. As a reward I think we'll let him urinate on a map of New Jersey or something equally cool.
Trig, I wouldn't recognize a clique if my life depended on it. I comment on posts that I enjoy reading or that resonate with me for some reason. I avoid controversy at OS just as I do in life; I truly wonder why people can't just get along. ;) I've found OSers to be warm and welcoming, and as a newbie, I hope I'm not offending anyone if I'm rehashing things that have already been covered here before. I read you, and I read Kit, and until read this I had no idea that I was straddling two different "camps." I have no idea why that should matter, but apparently it does?

Now, lastly, for my own edification ... what in hell's bells is a FUCKMUPPET?????
He gets to urinate on the map, but only if he cleans the mess up afterwards.
Thanks for the invitation. I've found most people at OS to be open-minded, almost always welcoming. A lot of the personal stories shared here are quite beautiful and moving. But I accept the fact that the site's emphasis is autobiographical. I write fiction and have always written fiction, which has far less appeal (especially when it is as creepy as mine).

I'm stingy about sharing day-to-day concerns because I consider my life as well as current events, the lives of people I know, and history in general to be the material from which I build fiction. My hat's off to the lovely people here who are not as stingy as I am!
If Amanda pisses on the New Jersey map, and I get to watch, I'll clean up 'the mess.'

MissMisk and therealme, thanks for the input. I believe if you look at Drew~Silla's blog you'll find a definition of fuckmuppet. It's (supposedly) a term originally coined by ex-OSer Janie Brady of Toronto.

Harry it's the "two-faced accusers praising you while slinging peanut butter" that you have to watch out for. We all know who the easy lays are already. Me for example. You crack me up brother.

Think I'll start posting like twice a day for the remainder of CC's vacation for his/her entertainment. He/She is fascinated with me... obviously.
Argh, I would be really, really sad if you left. (And where the hell is Nan?)
"Nan" is sick to death








of OS.






I suspect he's not gone altogether though.
Link to Drew's definition for the curious.

http://open.salon.com/blog/drew-silla/2010/05/12/fuckmuppet_defined
I swear it took forever to read this and all the comments Trig.
This damn long hot summer has got to end sooner rather than later..
I don't think I will ever leave this place. I jus' wish I could list it as an alternative address.
Keep your chin up buddy. Life takes unexpected turns sometimes.
Damn glad to read you got a deck job tomorrow. I still ain't got anything that even resembles work. But life goes on and Fort De Soto is a good way to waste time this morning. Sunburned I am....
Is it just me or is Drew-Silla getting rather... plain?
Naked Blogging would spice things up!
Yes Cap'n. Drew needs to slut it up a bit doesn't she...

My apparent "arch enemy" CC has posted an interesting critique. Visit the crazed one from New Joisey @

http://open.salon.com/blog/crazeczar/2010/08/17/trig_palin_os_hunka-hillbilly
We haven't had a good dustup for a while. What happened to those? Even though they were a MASSSIVE time waste. They would at least lead to a string of posts.
junkies refer to their early time off dope as the "pink cloud." i think you've come out the other side of the cloud. it is not about "them" it is about "me." that's the only way i can write a n o t h e r word... u too can be a narcissist and not give a fuck...
pardon while a new (not improved) suck ass blogger comments...

i have been here less than two months and i find it addicting, dangerously so....maybe folks leave, not in anger or disgust, but quite possibly (again, i'm new here so cut me some slack) they just have shit to do......
Curious neither nan nor nat have commented ...
Nan and Nat are shacked up over at yahoo chat probably. I do miss Natalie. My brother is right down the street so... not so much.

I just wrote this in a reply to one of the many PM's I received regarding this post.

"Seems I was a 'newbie' only yesterday. Now I'm like the old man of OS or something. "Tenure" don't mean shit. The writing does... or even, not so much the technical aspects; more the content, keeping it edgy and real."

That's for you bethybug and several other "newbies" who left comments...

Some, many even, might say that the above quoted caption is bullshit, and that's fine.
I looked at that post CC put up, and I'm speechless.

Well, not quite, in that I made a speech in the comments.

But, really...I'm speechless...
I'm glad I caught up with this. I'm sorry you're down. sad truth is down goes with the living.

I'll answer you from my perspective as you live in yours.

I think what can be gotten from here depends on what you want. I read about the deep friendships and that confuses me a little but then again, I'm not that kind of person...I don't reach out that way on a deeply personal level.

I feel immense love for the writing, the souls of so many of the people here but truly I do not know them, and so my love is of the limited type. I come here to write my wanting poetry and to explore the written word. it's all I can do here. I am limited by my lack of skills so I do my best.

tis true, steve blevens is always a joy, and our beloved troll girl is terribly, sorely missed and there are others, many others who make this the experience it is, but like life, they ebb and flow and come and go and this is what it is as it is.

I suppose we are like seaweed in the tides, we come and congregate and find a special place for ourselves and then a certain kind of current comes and washes us away.

there are pockets of great writing here. they are infrequent sometimes. I think there are pockets of frequent great writing but I haven't found many of them, but there are enough of them to keep me coming back. like vanessa. like spuds. like the wild new guy I need to catch up with. I don't have enough hours in the day. if I did nothing but keep track of people I'd do nothing but keep track of people. I can't do that. I'm old. I don't want to die online. I want to die living offline.

time and life are good measures. sometimes it's time to live. sometimes it's time to sit down and simply read a book, talk to someone, breathe the air. sometimes it's time to reach out. Ecclesiastes comes to mind.

there is no special time for here. only for living. perhaps you have metamorphosed and it's time to fly away. I hope not but this is what it is and what it isn't, it isn't. it can't take the place of life. it mustnt.
oh yeah...
I"m reading the comments...you're getting good advice.

as for the suicide I want to add that it is a dangerous act, particularly to family and close friends. the statistics on suicides of families and friends of suicides is very high. if you find you or your son are depressed seek out a suicide support group and I can't stress that enough. we have suicide in our family. it fucks you up in big ways. maybe I'll write about it because it is a dance on the edge of a sword over a raging fire. just being near it.

stay away from this dump on saturday nights. I don't know what the fuck happens here on saturday nights but it's THEN and only then that the evil manifests. go get laid. it's much better for the soul.

hugs.
Trig, it looks like CrazyCzar has challenged you to a Drewl.
I'm with you, trig. Evidence is that I couldn't/didn't take the time to read all the comments to this post. I haven't been able to contribute much lately, and I feel like no one is reading my stuff. Combined with the changes you site...well, I'm preaching to the choir.
sweets of the feets (and whoever). It's an old trick. You want "readers" bitchers, gripers, haters, lovers? Put OS in the title, and whine. Sigh~
People actually leave? I'm not convinced. It seems to me most of them still lurk even after dramatic flounces and quiet disappearing acts.
Go monkeySue! YAYYYYYYYYY! Good night and may we all have a better tomorrow.
I have no desire to read thru the comments below.. only bc i do have the attention span of a hooker gnome, Ill explain later. But for now know that some of us did not, do not leave/disapear by choice. Some of us, are poor and didnt have the money or the resources to post semi regularly. But like every other bad penny I came back.. and Ive restocked my supply of piss, vinegar and low cut tops, just for you, tink and cap'n that is.. and nana, I missed you most of all scarecrow.. ehem.. enough mushy-ness and snide.. if i have to light a fire under your ass then damn it you better be prepared to spark one for me too god knows Im gonna need the motivation sometimes too..
It's like any other relationship. You start off idealistic and hopeful. Then the personality quirks you first found endearing start to grate on your nerves. Then you realize that sometimes your needs aren't getting met, despite the fact that you keep giving. And THEN not only are your needs OFTEN not getting met, you realize that the CRAP you are having to put up with far outweighs the good stuff.

Basic human dynamics. Oh, and familiarity breeds contempt. Somebody said that once. I think there's some merit to it.
Penelope knows what she's talking about.
This is off-subject, but why is there a cat on your head? You know what curiousity did to the cat....uh oh.
barbraanne back from the dead!

penelope... yep

And Shannon McKenzie, my detractor, also apparently can't quell her curiosity. I call that picture "pussy on the brain" Shannon.
A "detractor"? I've been called a "distracter" before, but this is new. Whole worlds are opening up to me! This is so cool! So is "pussy on the brain"...it will be so much easier now to read the signs....I've always wondered why men did that with cats when I walked by. It all makes soooo much sense now!
You and I have had a few go-rounds, Trig, but I've enjoyed your mischievous sense of humor and I respect your writing chops. I sympathize with your recent misfortunes, but have been personally encouraged by your toughness and resilience in handling them. I can only hope to exhibit such grace when the shit hits me in the face, as it inevitably will, sooner or later given the dismal course of our economy.

I've been offline for most of the past week and I missed your post about the loss of your son's buddy. Please accept my condolences and my best wishes for you and your family.
Boy, Trig....I had no idea that you were so down and so deep....and I don't mean that as an insult. I tend to think of your posts as more light hearted, fun, and down right goofy at times. Of course I know you write more serious stuff, too, but it seems like most of what I've read was just fun. Needless to say, I need to pay more close attention to your posts.
QUOTE Kit Duncan and her fuckmuppets make me ill. I thought it was just me until I visited with another OS'er (mostly formal OS'er) last night, that told me I was not alone in that regard. Kit's writing would be wonderful to most eighth graders, and sorry to single you out Kit but to me you represent the new OS... the one that sucks ass.QUOTE

I couldn't agree more and it is one reason why I am no longer around much. She is like a cancer that is eating this site from the inside out. There are still plenty of good people here, but having been on the down side of fuckmuppetry for quite some time combined with Craze Czar's vile, sexist comments about my husband and I apropos of absolutely nothing, we never had so much as a disagreement -- OS is not a friendly place to be any more. I can dish it and I can take it, but the lies and the low blows from cowards like Kit and Czar make me want to vomit. Frankly, I've got better things to do.
Emma, I had to do this to insure that I never get one of those monkey picks.
And crazy czar has been banned from my blog after his last comment at my most recent. Enough is enough. Sorry about the degree of harassment that always seems to come your way. I hope you'll post and play again one of these days. I totally sympathize.
don't don't sweat it. the whole thing amuses the hell out of me (till i make my own enemies i suppose). even then--blogging gets personal and trolls do their thing and zombies and bots do theirs but in the end it's just pixels. real life is so much harder this seems like a cake walk.

if only i could tell off the real fuckmppets in my life.

stay warm and always have access to water.