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JUNE 21, 2010 1:29PM

Losing My Religion

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I was born to a Catholic woman married to a Jewish man.  Wasn’t that enough from the start to blur the lines of religion?  Neither of my parents had a penchant for their respective faiths.  Although my father in his early (manic) days did decide
to convert from Judaism to Catholicism and, as with everything he did, with a flare, had his religious instruction from none other than Bishop Fulton J. Sheen.  Bishop Sheen was
the  Auxiliary Bishop of the Archdiocese of New York from 1951 to 1966.  My father’s instructions with him were at about the time of his “Life Worth Living” Television series that ran from 1952 – 1955. 

Interestingly enough, I myself was instructed in a class called “Power For Abundant Living” by a self proclaimed “man of God” living in the farmlands of Ohio in 1973  that, even at the time was considerd a cult.  The difference between my father’s “man of God” and mine?  The difference between “Life Is Worth Living” and “Power for Abundant Living”?  I don’t have the answer.  I just know that somewhere in between,  we were both losing our religion. 

Dad tells of  his being so mesmerized by Sheen’s “non-sermons” but more “philosphical lectures” that he wrote a letter one day, thanking him for the enlightening series and his appreciation of the serivce he was doing for humanity.  Dad also happened to mention that he was of the Jewish faith but not religious.  About a week later, he received an invitation from Bishop Sheen to meet him at his office in Manhattan.  My dad told the highly esteemed Bishop that he had always considered religion synonymous with ignorance and fear .  Bishop Sheen took down a group of close to 20 books, handed them to my Dad and told them they were his to keep.  He invited my Dad to come back every Thursday for some questions and answers.  This continued for the next six weeks.

 

Bishop sheen
    http://home.inreach.com/bstanley/sheen.htm 

 Power For Abundanty Living” had a series of books, too, that I read, no I devoured, in 1973, 1974, 1975.  I too was mesmerized.  Unlike my Dad’s experience, however, there were no questions and answers.  ”Thus sayeth The Lord” was the answer.  The “Doctor” wrote the words that God wanted him to write.  So, who were we to question?  I’ve often wondered if  Mathew, Mark, Luke and John questioned the writings of Moses, Joshua, David, Solomon?  Did they dare to question?  

Dad was baptized by the good Bishop at St Patrick’s Cathedral in New York City.  Although he later writes that even though he is no longer of “the faith” (once  a Jew, always a Jew he said to me) Bishop Sheen’s philosophy had always kept him in good stead. 

I, of course, was raised Catholic.  Twelve years of Catholic education in New York City served me well, but as far as a “religion”, I never really got it.  Never really cared.  There was the day my schizophrenic sister came home to tell the family the news that she was pregnant.  Pregnant, that is, with the baby Jesus.  She believed she was the Virgin Mary.  so, you see, religion, Catholicism, not so much.    It was about this time that my Mom also dropped the Catholic Church like a hot potato. 

  It would only be years later, however, that I realized what a panic my parents were experiencing to hear that now, their oldest remaining daughter had joined a religious cult; was speaking in tongues.  Believed that the “Doctor” “The Teacher” as he was called, was the “man of God for the 20th Century and was teaching the “word” like it had not been taught since the 1st Century Church.  Their daughter was encouraged to not have relationships with those “unbelievers” who did not believe the truth.   

 “They looked just like me," recalls Timoner, a lanky woman in jeans and a pink T-shirt emblazoned with two six-shooters. "Their compound was a suburban subdivision…she assumes the church is the safest place.. [But] if your leader is suddenly putting themselves in the position that 'You can't get to God unless through me,' there's a problem." Yet given the right set of circumstances, and this has been proven again and again by different case studies, any one of us is susceptible to mind control."  There is a highly charged, tightly controlled atmosphere to the cult.” People systematically are robbed of their ability to critically think or make independent choices. Ultimately, they essentially become dependent upon the leader to make value judgments and do their thinking for them, or through the leader's delegated counterparts. Members no longer are really thinking for themselves. (Rick Ross)

I would never in a million years have believed that someone, some man, could so convince me to be a blind follower of anything, without question, without doubt. Oh there was question and there was doubt, but the euphoria, the love, the absolute acceptance in the group, gradually and almost without notice, became your entire life.
 I was manipulated to believe that I had made my own decision.

 Tell me though, where is the difference in my father’s experience with “Life Is Worth Living” and the esteemed Bishop Fulton J. Sheen and my experience with “Power for Abundant Living” and The Way International? 

Well, I spent 14 years of my life with this group.  I married a man who was also a “follower” even though I knew…  I knew…  But when I wanted to leave – it was the teaching of “The Way” that made us fearful that terrible things would happen to us if we left.  We would be outside the protection of the household (God?); we would be in some sort of terrible accident, etc.  I actually had a friend who was killed by a semi truck while hitchhiking in New Mexico on a mission for The Way and it was said “well, he must have been out of fellowship with God, must have sinned in some way, for this to have happened.  End of story.

Fourteen years after I joined this group in 1973, I left.  It was the night before my first child was born.  By then I was in a very bad marriage and now had my first child, dependent on my husband for our living, our survival.  Many more years and two (twins) more children later, I would finally figure it all out and be free.  I will never regret having my amazing children.  They would not be those amazing people had I not gone down the path that I did.

But as far as religion goes………  

That's me in the corner
That's me in the spotlight, I'm
Losing my religion
Trying to keep up with you
And I don't know if I can do it
Oh no, I've said too much
I haven't said enough
I thought that I heard you laughing
I thought that I heard you sing
I think I thought I saw you try…

But that was just a dream
Try, cry, why try?
That was just a dream
Just a dream, just a dream
Dream…
 Consider this…… 
R.E.M. Berry/Buck/Mills/Stipe
   

“The Way” on Religious Tolerance.Org Website

Title Inspired by Scarlett Sumac's post "Did I Say too Much"
(which seems to be gone now) thanks Scarlett  - I've been wanting to write this for awhile.

Losing the way
                                            http://losingtheway.com/main/
Kristen Skedgell was a woman who lived about 15 miles from me and joined “The Way” at the same time I did.  Although I don’t remember ever meeting, it’s quite possible with all the large New York area meetings we had.  My experience was parallel to the story she writes in this book in many, many ways except for the sexual abuse by the leader of the group.  It was a fascinating read.
 
I hope this story tells a little more of "me" to those of you who wanted to know.

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Well, if you have to lose a religion, The Way sounds like a good one to lose.

My dad was Catholic, mom a Protestant, and I was raised a Catholic. The church tried to make me go to religious classes after I transferred to public school, but I figured out that, like in a Jimmy Cagney movie, the coppers couldn't stop me and I busted out. My dad to his credit said it wasn't a big deal when I told him I wanted to quit.
It seems that many of us here have brushed (or drunk deeply of) toxic religion. I've been writing about it, in little ways . . . it's tough to talk about, both because the old fears sometimes rear up, and because I look back at some aspects of the experience, and as a thinking person, I feel shame at having been so thoroughly indoctrinated. It's gotten better. Little by little, I think peace can be found. Kudos to you for writing of it!
This is mesmerizing. I have to come back to read it carefully since I am at work. I just had to peek at it. Just fascinating._r
Trilogy: Boy can I relate. I will PM you. Great Post. R-
First off, let me just say that I love that song by R.E.M.

Ok, that out of the way, there are better religions out there, and some of them are very rewarding without a lot of effort.

Check out Discordianisim, Pantheistic Digital Deisim, The Gunnite Faith and The Church of the Subgenius. You're sure to find one you like!

Rated for honesty.
Having never been religious, or a believer in any faith, it is hard for me to accept someone "could" come under some type of mind control. But I know it happens everyday and they're are people being abused everyday in the name of God. If their is a heaven, then there is a hell, and these people will bust hell wide open! Great Post!
Have never heard of "The Way" before. Scary, though there are fanatics in every religion. My father was raised "Christian Science" and was never allowed any medical intervention. He watched his mother die when he was 17 of an infection that turned to blood poisioning. He fled that cult-ure and became a convert to Catholicism, the tradional foundation he was seeking. He was a devout Catholic but never a fanatic or fundamentalist and never judgmental. I went the route of Catholic shcools through college and never regretted that education. Nor did I ever feel pushed to promote Catholicism. My experience is not the experience of others, but mine was very positive. It left me open to explore world religions with an open mind. I was taught this in college (Catholic), where there was no expectation of practicing the religion. I received a great education, for which the Catholic schools are renowned and would say I am pretty relaxed where religion is concerned.
I can relate to your post on many levels, however, have not lost religion, per say, but gained a better view of my own brand of spirituality. For me, that is where we find the universal answers to our very human questions of life and purpose for living authentically. Very thought provoking post.
a fascinating post and look at religion. i was raised catholic, but walked away from that faith and organized religion in general in high school. i just couldn't be a part of something so hypocritical. i think many of us can relate to finding something that makes us feel like we belong or have a purpose. the problem is that those things often turn out to be dangerous illusions. i'm glad you were able to get free of this. fantastic post.
I agree with Jung that "religion" more broadly defined as "belief" is an instinct for human kind--even if unlike the other instincts it evolved with the species. (so did everything else.) A person with "no belief" has no hope and that does not necessarily mean whether or not the person is a theist. Some of the most "religious" persons I've ever known have been athiests or believers in "science."

I think it's clear the "either/or" thinking is shot through with holes. The problem evolves unfortunately but definitively given the institutions and charlatans that take advantage of this "need" and capitalize on it for one reason or another--which often simply boils down to what is in their needs.

This is not to disparage those believers and members of the institutions who are exemplary human beings. It is for each of us to decide, and hopefully to grow in our assessments and commitments. If human beings had not invented religion I don't think consciousness would have grown and so many would be in the position they are today to doubt the beliefs held by consensus and thus become the individuals that we/they are.
Boy! Did this post send the bats in my metaphysical belfry flapping! I, too, was raised Catholic...St.Pius X in Scarsdale till 5th grade when I pleaded for mercy. Not so much against the faith but the menacing nuns! In my teens it was off to a 20+ year search for something...and a side trip to cultland in the guise of The Summit Lighthouse and the teachings of the Ascended Masters for a few years.... At some point I jumped off all the boats and now own what I believe. I do remember The Way, though...back in the early 70's...lots of my friends disappeared into that for a small time...but everyone came back out...Great post!
I'm at work, wish I could blast this song. I'll be back to give this the attention it deserves. That show was in Toronto, btw

Love this song (as you know) ...
xo Cheers!
wait..."tri-logy" means you Tried Logic?

Aha! I get it! and I completely agree. Reason might be cold comfort at times but better than the false heat of irrationality.

I love the history and details of this personal de-conversion story.

Bishop Sheen, TV wowzer. I remember him and His Voice.
Trilogy, just, just no words. I was raised Catholic. But having seen that travesty I learned my own religion. I see god in my babies I care for at work, their parents burdened yet loving under all extremes. This is god to me. I get to see god everyday. I hate that everything has become cliche but truly seeing the god in each other is all we need. Love to you,
I guess maybe I was lucky in a way. After coming home from the war I found myself incapable of following any man or organized religion. I still believed in a God, I just never let myself get caught up in any one man's interpertation of what that God wanted for me.
religion as a concept has always fascinated me. adhering to dogma has never been my strong suit.
I remember Bishop Sheen. He seemed a nice person on TV. This look into your past is fascinating. I'm with you and R.E.M.
It seems many of us are putting out more personal information. I enjoy taking it all in; especially the different approaches or non approaches to religion. Seems to me there is already plenty to go around. We have blurred the lines between spirituality and religion. I prefer the former to the latter. Excellent piece.
R~
I had forgotten it totally but you've reminded me of a strange girl I knew in college here, thirty years ago. She was in 'The Way' and she attempted to persuade some of us to join but we had discovered freedoms much more seductive than the liberation she promised! Isn't it a small world? Fascinating post, rated.
Thanks for your story - another piece of the pie. Religion can be a salve or a hangnail, or sometimes just plain cumbersome. I'm glad you found your way through the haze!
I am with you in your distrust of religious institutions. I seem to have become aware of the whole mind control-control your life deal that you can only get through MY religion-as some pastor or minister would say. It is not about God at all, but rather manipulation and controlling others! R
I think your dad was right about 'once a Jew always a Jew' for many reasons. It's a bloodline, not just a faith or belief system. I do know admittedly agnostic Jews, but I'm still invited to their Seder every year. Old habits die hard. Also, I was sorry to see SSumac's post taken down too. I thought it was brave and pertinent.
This is fascinating, Marlene. I was born Muslim, but raised without any fundamentalism, so I cannot understand the mindset of either a Catholic upbringing or the Islamic actions. But I know that even between Catholics and Protestants there's a big difference. ~R
Hi Trilogy - couldn't get the comments to work before . . Thanks for sharing more about this part of your life, which you've referred to before. Early 70's were a big time for cults - so much experimentation everywhere - I never caught the religion virus in any dire way, but I do remember, at about the same time, owning a Nichiren Shoshen Buddhist prayer scroll - the chanting Buddhists - which I thought was pretty cool. Anyway, glad you had the courage to leave. Bad as the experience was, it helped make you who you are today.
Great post! Glad you broke free! Frightening how some 'religions' threaten people into staying. Yikes! That's just wrong!
Trilogy, I'm back, read it all. So glad you got out... before your baby was born. Stipe's lyric below is a good one to keep in mind for any "thought police" group or anyone pushing their "way" on others.

"Ah life is bigger ... it is bigger than you
and you are not me."
"Well, I spent 14 years of my life with this group. I married a man who was also a “follower” even though I knew… I knew… But when I wanted to leave – it was the teaching of “The Way” that made us fearful that terrible things would happen to us if we left. We would be outside the protection of the household (God?); we would be in some sort of terrible accident, etc. I actually had a friend who was killed by a semi truck while hitchhiking in New Mexico on a mission for The Way and it was said “well, he must have been out of fellowship with God, must have sinned in some way, for this to have happened. End of story."

tril, really appreciate your sharing.
Thank you all so much for your heartfelt comments. Some are so detailed that I think I shall pm personally to answer. I hope I was not coming across as "Catholic bashing" just my experiences. "cult bashing" yes.
I come from a mixed religion family too. Twice the guilt as your average kid.
There is a wonderful story called "Salvation," by Langston Hughes, which sums up what I felt as a kid, being forced to swallow, whole, the Bible as taught by my godfather in his church where his word, even more than the Bible's, were law. I watched...I was puzzled...and because I didn't not feel what I was told I should...I felt damned and dirty and lost. And when you're very young you can be manipulated rather easily in this way. Had I not been such a strong willed little hussy, I might have gone under. But...I had a father who absolutely agreed with me that if I didn't "get it," I didn't have to. Caused a rift in the family, but me and Daddy stuck to our guns.

And...I managed to grow up pretty healthy for someone "damned to the flame of Hell for all eternity" or...something like that.

A LOT of us do...
This post is very interesting. I was raised Catholic, attended Catholic elementary school, but refused to attend the Catholic high school. Already I had had enough of the attempted mind control, although I wasn't mature enough to say it that way then. It frightens me to see how easily so many people are lured into cults. But I don't differentiate between cults and religion; to me they are quite the same.

Lezlie
Trilogy: Sheen was a favorite of my great-grandmother's. His was her favorite TV show, second only to "The Millionaire," which you may recall featured one John Beresford Tipton, whose factotum, Michael Anthony, was given a "cashier's check for a million dollars" that Anthony then delivered to some supposedly needy soul who was promptly corrupted by it in some way. My point? Nana believed wholeheartedly in both men; she went to her grave still waiting for Michael Anthony to give her that check. I suspect she wouldn't have been the least bit surprised to learn that Bishop Sheen gave your dad 20 books in his effort to convert him (although I have to say the good bishop must have had a voluminous library).

Belief, as I think you post is saying, is a strange and seductive and comforting thing and how each of us meets it can be equally strange and even mystifying. A very thoughtful, provocative post.
Really interesting read...
Wow..is this a religion REM sort of week.
Great post and rated with hugs
This is pretty brave and good that you thought on it a while. R.
Of course, my father was Jewish and my mother was Episcopalian from a Catholic family. We have that in common. If you ever read "Christian Fish", you'll get my views and family experiences pretty quickly.

Organized religion is never about "go out and think for yourself", with perhaps the exceptions of Unitarian Universalism and to an extent Reformed Judaism. Even then, there are certain codes one is expected to follow.

"Go out and think for yourself" is the opposite of assigning absolute moral authority and wisdom to another. It is anti-megalomania. It will never be friends with governments or other organizations which desire power. It's also terrifying to many as it means one must accept personal responsibility. There would have been no Stanley Milgram experiments if we knew how to do this.

In your case, I am relieved you were able to lose your religion. This, however, does not mean that you cannot go out and explore your own individual truths, nor does it mean that you cannot wonder and learn with a mentor whom you respect. It does mean that you have enabled yourself to walk your own path. I am extremely happy for you. Thank you for writing this.
Thanks for your story. Cults have always fascinated me. Whether it's the followers of Jim Jones, or Dead Heads a charismatic leader seems to be the unifying element. The most pernicious have a leader who isolates members and manipulates his followers into believing their life will be over it they leave. I have to wonder if Jesus Christ was a cult leader. "I am the way, the truth, and the life."

BTW, I loved the song. REM was special, and that was my favorite song. What other rock band had a lead mandolin player?
I'm already saying wow and I haven't even read the link you provided, but I've bookmarked it for tonight. Wow. Trilogy, this is so incredibly interesting. You have been through some things and you write about them so well. The losing of my religion is in no way cool like this. Powerful.
I'm used to one or two word comments...so I don't know what to do with whole paragraphs. Perhaps I struck a nerve? I've tried to answer a lot of you privately.

Amanda: Well, if your gonna loose your religion I always say it might as well be cool. (I just love your sense of humor) and thank you for your very kind words.

Thank you all.
As someone brought up with no religion, this was interesting to read.
Caroline: (Grew up with no religion?) You can borrow some of mine - just sayin'
mLee: Thank you so much for those kind, kind words. My heart is with you my friend, as you take care of your dad. Thank you.
All religions share the same flaw: they attempt to create a "we-they" dichotomy between those who share their belief system and those who don't. The only way a group can establish it's identity is by inclusion and exclusion. Inclusion builds membership; exclusion defines the perimeter of the group.

There's a crucial difference between faith, which is often illogical and requires no proof, and beliefs, which are the steppingstones of doctrine which leads to regimens that culminate in repression.

Ultimately, faith is self-rewarding while beliefs are self-punishment. Beliefs limit....faith nourishes.

The curious thing about faith is that you don't need to have faith in anything...but merely to embrace the feeling of your own presence in the reality of the world as it is rather than as other have imagined it to be. Faith can indeed move mountains. Religion creates mountains out of molehills.

Having said this, I begin to wonder if there is a "religion" that isn't ultimately a "cult." Perhaps - perhaps - the Sufis have an answer for this....to be in the world but not of it....to rely on direct experience rather than the teachings written down in books....but to accept only the wisdom that comes from within....when you learn to hear that quiet voice and finally pay attention to it.
Nice piece Tril, a personal story well told.
What a subject .... about just one of the myriad ways that we satisfy our need to feel (most of us) that we belong to a community, the longing to be recognized as a member of something, to be more than a seed blowing in the wind. Ah, thank you Lord for OS!
Sage - very wise words. especially "Ultimately, faith is self-rewarding while beliefs are self-punishment. Beliefs limit....faith nourishes."

I think the only problem with "accepting wisdom from within" is that most people don't live long enough to figure out how to even "hear" it, no less "pay attention" to it.

Yalebno: I was thinking the same thing while reading your comment. Welcome to the "church of OS" where we all belong and it doesn't matter what we believe.
I have nothing but admiration for your courage to both leave The Way and to share your feelings about it all with us. rated with much enthusiasm.........
I was raised Catholic...and I'm not just saying that because nearly every other comment includes that admission. (What a literate bunch we are!;}) Random responses: Found myself enticed by Fulton J. Sheen...think it was the cape...damned fine cape. Any formal religion whose policies are not centered on LOve... whose practices are exclusionary... and whose members believe and act as though their take on God and Salvation are the only "true path" are antithetical to my beliefs. This is a fascinating post. ..and the comments are so personal, insightful and revealing. Look what you started! Thanks!
Rosy: Thank you so much and thank you for your continued support on my posts.
Persistant Muse: thank you too. "and the comments are so personal, insightful and revealing" I was just thinking this too. LOOK WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION WITHOUT BASHING ANYONE ELSE'S RELIGION. I think we are evolving here on OS.
This is fascinating. Peoples religious beliefs always are to me. I introduced my children to every religion I knew, believing that we each must find our own way. Neither of them chose to follow organized religion.
What a story, Trilogy. Oh, my. The things we try and the bumpy paths we choose. Glad you escaped. What a life you have lived! Thanks for sharing this part of your life with us.
Thank you Fay for coming by
Dr. Spud: So many stories, so little time. Thanks.
Extricating yourself from a cult which promised retribution for straying, on the day before your first child was born, to escape that mind control and a bad husband, needs elaborating. I will now go out on a limb and say that your maternal instinct saved you, aren't hormones wonderful?

I quit the Lutheran Church on the day they made me a member. I respect them, but no more than any other, for the good they do. If people ask me causally why I do not attend, I just say I will come when they serve food.
diaanaani: What's that saying "I would not want to join any organization that would ahve me as a memeber?"
Thansk for your comments. Yes, I think you may be right about the maternal instincts.
Wow. Excellent stuff here and much to ponder on.

"Did they dare to question?" Indeed - the central point of religion - control versus encouragement to seek.

I am thankful you lost your way so we could find each other!
Sparking, you keep sneaking up on me today - which means that you are out playing and feeling better, my friend. Glad that I lost my way too & thankful for your friendship!
Wow! You really caught my attention with this one!
My goodness!!!
JD: "My goodness" yes, that about sums it up.
What a harrowing experience! I'm glad you got out -- lost your religion.
I loved your 4th of July photos of New York, but this is the piece that grabbed me! Product of a mixed marriage here. Catholic and Lutheran. Thank the Goddess, they had the sense to let us children choose.
Spiritman. Yes, thanks we could choose, but I seemed to have chosen the wrong thing (for awhile) but its never too late to get your right mind back!!!