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NOVEMBER 8, 2010 5:01PM

Therapy

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Do you have to get to the bottom of everything?
Shouldn’t some things remain a mystery?
Buried deep beneath the recesses of, say, Detroit! 

I seem to be in the “therapy” stage of life.
You know that stage, right after, raising the kids,
divorcing the husband, being blamed for all the
Serotonin imbalances of your offspring
while going through menopause yourself! 

Child #1 had years of therapy.  Many years of
which my insurance didn’t cover. 
But, at least I have insurance. 
Did it help?  Or did she just grow up?
Your guess is as good as mine. 

Child #2 is delving into all sorts of “repressed” memories.
Just by their very nature, aren’t they supposed to stay….
Well, repressed? 
You’re not remembering them for a reason!
Don’t stir up the pot, as they say. 

Child #3 came to me recently and we talked long and hard
about all the different “meds” that all the different
Psychologists tried on her over the years.
You’re “ADD” they said, no maybe its “Bi-Polar”  No? 
Then it must be “Bi-Polar2”. 
When those meds didn’t work
The diagnosis went on to “PTSD”
You know, she said “this is enough to make a person really
Depressed”.

I understand the gravity of mental illness.  I really do.  I grew
up with an “unmedicated” Manic Depressive Father
and a schizophrenic sister.  
Of course, whenever I sought help for one of my own girls
and the therapist heard my “family history” they assumed
– slam, dunk. 

But my girls are nearly adults now and
taking control of their own lives. 
Was it really just teenage  angst? 
Was it merely the “media” playing into the hands
of the anorexics? 
Was it a mother’s “fear” of seeing mental illness
around every corner because she grew up
seeing it around every corner? 
To be honest, probably a little of it all. 

Child #3 the other day said that she wanted to
work through her demons on her own.  Without
the help of “medication” because,
then she wouldn’t be feeling the
real person that she was.
I thought this very wise.   

I have my own therapist now. 
I thought it would be good to mitigate
what my children might discover
while in their own therapy sessions. 
Too bad we couldn’t get a group rate. 

Last week my therapist asked
“Did you ever think of writing a book?” 
Now, is it just me
or is this not something you want to hear
from your therapist!!              

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Child number 3 has said it all.
I tried everything and in the end it was me who helped me.
maybe it is teeenage angst, but when it carries on in to adulthood .. it is so scary
Rated with hugs
Give us this day our daily medication . . .

Scares the hell out of me.
I would hate to have my therapist say that. Perhaps you can get a cut-rate. The medicine thing gets me. Do all the kids, mostly boys, need Ritilin and other such meds to keep them calm. I think it stunts the imagination. How we got through schools for thousands of years without it is puzzling.
Better you write the book than your therapist writes a book about you... :)
trilogy, it sounds to me like you did everything you could to give your children a fair chance at life. Imagine what you might be feeling if you hadn't and one of them became a total train wreck. I know how annoying it is to hear, but family history does play a part, it's just not a sentence. As far as the therapists suggesting you write a book, I'm missing the context of that, so I'm not sure what to make of it.

Lezlie
I have to squeeze this in before SHE gets home and catches me here.

In my experience, psychiatrists install more damage than they cure, and the more drugs they push the worse it gets.

Talk therapy has fallen to such a low nadir that people have forgotten how potent it is when it is done by someone who knows what they are doing.

The real problem is the pose of disinterest that these people assume.

The difference between a shrink and a real teacher is that the teacher is willing to get down in the mud with you and get the wheels out of the water.

No one, however, should go it alone when trying to get off psychiatric drugs. Many of them have very serious adverse side effects - things like chronic Tardive Dyskinesia - which has been linked to self-mediated detoxification from Abilify. There are many others with similar unremarked side effects.

By the way, shouldn't you write a book? Aren't you?
Since I was twenty, I have suffered from bouts of depression and never had meds or doctors to aid me. It was not until I retired that I found the best therapy and therapist in the world. I get up with the sun each morning and I work hard on the land, building something of my own. When I go to bed I am exhausted but it is a good exhaustion and I sleep like a baby.

Well, so far it has worked wonders for me. I have never felt better.
Surely mental illness is nothing to scoff at when known and painfully experienced. In the absence of real mental illness, there is, I 'm afraid, "a pill for everything!" There is normal muscle twitchiness after a long day of working our leg muscles...and then there is, "Restless Leg Syndrome!" You get my drift?

I thank God every day that my 3 daughters survived their teen years and are seemingly living "normal" functioning lives... so far!!! Not without some angst. No plenty of it! I won't parrot most of the things all parents experience raising kids, teens and funneling them off into adulthood...hopefully!

Very relatable post!

Deep breaths...deep breaths...It's time for YOU TIME!
It's not something you want to hear from your therapist if the context in which it is said is demeaning!

There's a lot here to cope with my friend. But what I do know is that you have done and still do your very best.

My love and best wishes are with you ... all the way!
Psychiatry/psychology is all about trends - the newest diagnosis, whatever that is. My sister was Adult Child of an Alcoholic, then BiPolar and I'm not sure what now. She's been on this and that. She learned early on how to fake whatever symptoms the shrink wanted to see so she could get a pass on being an adult. She's always been super-smart and devious, but used those traits to manipulate people, not to make a life for herself. You could call it a career choice. She's sorry now, and not surprisingly, completely in control.
I've used a therapist when I absolutely felt I had enough on my own...and I would go for a few weeks, get some perspective and that was it. I see therapists for most of us as a help to get some discussion going about things I can't seem to find anyone else to be objective about.

I think you raised your children with an open mind...and they are smart enough to know you can't hide from problems, but need to work through them. Feeling some of the emotions we go through is NOT fun, but as you know, they do pass and then we are on to the next group of emotions. It's life!

Loved your form and message.
3 of my 4 children went through an intensive week long process to take a look at the patterns that they either adopted or reacted against that they learned from their father and I. It was a down and dirty way to get to those ancient issues and then take 100% responsibility for their lives. Of course their father and I screwed things up. This is normal and natural. I've had no problem apologizing to my children for whatever was stirred up, while encouraging them to recognize and own their current life situations that they have created for themselves. Sometimes clients want to know all the "whys" of the things that cause them suffering and my personal belief is that too much exhaustive exploration of the past may end up being like peeling an onion. Once the layers are removed, there is no core. There is no center. It is a balance. It can be critical and beneficial to look at the past as a way to illuminate the darkness, but therapists can spend way too much time on the past while ignoring the present. I see my work as a therapist as another human being who walks alongside my clients, all of whom are quite brave and courageous and offer them the tools to learn to become more self-aware and self-generate the solutions that are best for them. I've been in therapy off and on and it made significant differences in my life, but like Linda said, I was the one who ultimately helped myself. If I ever suggested to a client that they may consider writing a book, I would only make the suggestion if I felt it would be therapeutic for them or I believed they had a story that could be helpful to many. As a more "solution focused" therapist, I'm not a fan of "talk therapy" and research supports the reasons why. Ultimately, I believe if we, as a society acted more as a community of support for one another, the need for therapists and medication would lessen dramatically. Great post.
And allow me to add...my sister Mary's comment is so great and speaks to her incredible experience in her personal and professional life. Not to mention, she has been "therapising " me for days now. Poor sweetie! She needs a break!
I think you have to write a book about therapy and therapists. Sounds like you must be a pro by now and you could certainly re-coup all the money you spent on them.......seriously, I thnk #3 has a good point. r
I think your child number 3 has got it right, but at a much earlier age than most of us.

Most stages in life throw up problems that may need therapy and as with all things, sometimes it helps, sometimes not. The listening ear of an understanding friend can be enough sometimes too. But ultimately we sort ourselves out as best we can.

Many therapists write books, so why shouldn't talented writers with much more to say do the same? Maybe they should help us find publishers too.
Sigh. I understand this all too well.xoxo ~r
Marlene, much food for thought here! I have seen psychotherapists help people and in other cases there was little success with some patients I was familiar with. You raise many great questions and regarding "Was it really just teenage angst?"--that is a really tough question to answer, but then I'm not a therapist. Thanks for sharing the kind of questions we all need to ponder!
I hope the clouds dissipate soon to expose the rainbow. Sometimes I wonder if our forefathers suffered from depression and all its related forms, and start thinking that these must be the ailments of our times. Especially when I read Torman's comments . . .
Rated with sympathy and understanding.
This is so interesting. My supposedly top therapist quit and became a standup comedian! I think many are not very good. Haven't used them for years --just work through things with friends and family and if anyone thinks I need more they will let me know.
In our family, less is more because we tend to be the .01 of the population that does not tolerate meds well at all. I see this from many sides...but re: your side, I simply wish you peace, health, wellness...and to our children too. xo R
Oh, you have my sympathy. I wrote a book, and it was good therapy. If I had only left it at that. Then I tried to get it published....now I think I need a therapist.
I agree with the book idea. Hope it is on the way.
rated with empathy
Every word of this felt so loving and wise, Marlene. The human psyche is such a mystery, and no psyche is a bigger mystery than a teenager's, so every parent has felt this way at some time. We wonder if we have thought about every possibility, and of course we haven't, we can't and it would probably be fruitless. Very often there is no answer but patience, support and love, and you seem to have them in abundance.
Yeah -- it's like the doctor looking and saying, "oooh, that's impressive". It's a good thing we are all broken just a little bit or life would be very boring. You did a great job encapsulating a parents fears and life....
There are many stories in your life and those of your daughters.
Tell the ones you feel like telling.
Leave out the ones that are too hurtful.
And don't show the book to your therapist.
Someone with a sliding scale in their professional fees slid that scale all the way to zero for me once upon a time. Gratis ...
And yes it seems a cruel irony that for many teenagehood and mid-life overlap, or is that, collide? And yeah, the group rate seems like a good idea. And just maybe your therapist senses you're a good story teller.
I have mixed feelings about therapy and therapists. How can I tell when I need a therapist vs just needing a close friend to talk to? Do I have to ask a therapist that?
It seems like an amateur could do a lot of damage, but surely not EVERYTHING requires professional therapy?
Is therapy just another pill to take to keep us from working out our own problems sometimes?
All I know is you are one of the most rational people I know on here,..and I am PROUD to call you my friend...whatever your mental state!
You are knee-deep in a very challenging set of circumstances but somehow I believe that both you and child #3 will persevere... and maybe, in the future, there will be a book to write!
my therapist wanted me to do stand-up. My four kids never laughed with me. I wish you the understanding I seek.
Just got home from work and saw all these comments. Guess it's all in the "Title"! (ha).
I agree with all who went with door - I mena - Child #3
Thanks Linda, Pilgrim, Scanner
Gwool - good one, I didn't think of that.
L: I was trying to do a serious subject a bit tongue & cheek. I wasn't sure what to make of the book comment either. At first I just thought - geeze she must think I have more "issues" than most. but after thinking about it a while, I think it was uncalled for!
Sage: thanks for stopping...hope you didn't get "caught" "the pose of disinterest". Yes, I get this.
Torman: You got it!
Thanks Cathy, I appreciate your words. yes, I know what you mean by "a pill for everything" Deep Breaths!
Little Kate: thanks as always for your support. I didn't know if it was demeaning or not but I do think it was out of place.
Ardee: Yup, trend of the day...drug of the day. thanks for reading.
Buffy: thanks so much for you wise and kind words.
I cherish my psychiatrist because he thinks my writing a book is more important thanharmonious relationships with fractious grownup daughters who feel threatened if, after 37 years, Mommy might prefer her own truth to theirs and write something that people might read.

I just spent a week at the Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatrists in New York. The international psychiatrists seemed to feel that a portal had opened over the Atlantic, and they had fallen into an evil dimension where myths like Childhold Bipolar Disorder rampaged. The younger the psychiatrist, the more dedicated a pill pusher without any perceived need to involve parents. However, seasoned psychiatrists said they spent much of their time undiagnosing children and getting them off drugs, often to their parents' unhappiness.
Cognitive therapy techniques have many benefits and cause little harm. I would suggest studying up on them. I know some about it if you want some links someday.
Rosy: What a great idea - write the book to pay the therapists.
Linda: thanks, that book idea is sounding better & better.
John, thanks, friend, I've always thought there was a lot to ponder on this subject.
Fusun - thank you
Lea: Funny...your therapist wasn't Chuck Stetson was he?
"The Muses": thanks PM & RP
LM: Funny, yes, if we only learn to leave well enough alone. but writing a book does seem like good therapy and as someone else suggested, pay for the therapist too.
Cranky: Your comments melted my heart. Thank you so.
Marty's H: I like your outlook
Sixty: ha - or sell the book to my therapist!
Scarlett: Thanks and yes, the correct word is collide.
Oh JD: those are mighty fine words to my ears. thank you friend. Don't worry, my mental state is pretty good these days.
An intense read. Write the book!
We do what we can for our kids and that is a lot. They do ultimately have to look themselves in the mirror and decide what is best and how they will move forward in their lives. Thank you for sharing this honest story of raising children - it's an ongoing journey. I have three sons in their 20s and understand much of what you are sharing here. Rated.
If you do not like or feel that your therapist is a fit, quit, run, leave! There are many bad therapists out there and there are some who may not be a fit for you personally.

All that aside, I pay for therapy for all of us (family wise) who need it. I wish we could tough it out together but we can't. Not yet.
I can certainly relate, and I've heard and told many jokes and funny stories about therapists. They are not all great or even competent. However, I've had life changing experiences with the help of a therapist or two and certainly wouldn't be here at all if they didn't exist. I think that like every profession they run the gamut in personality and dedication, but we overlay our perception of them with an uncomfortable fear of judgment and vulnerability.
great post.
-R
I thought that therapy was a two-way street. Why didn't you ask your therapist what he/she meant by the question: "have you ever thought of writing a book"? Now, we are all in a quandry.

I know from personal experience that writing -- a book, a screenplay, or a poem can be therapeutic --published or not. Even a letter sometimes. What do you think that many of your friends on OS are doing?

Incidentally, judging by the comments on this post, you have an amazing group of sympathetic and perceptive readers -- myself included. I keep waiting for Scanner and Sagemerlin to announce their new book.
I'm so glad you wrote this down. Write that book - I bet it will be about things you would never have discussed in therapy. because writing often makes us remember things we don't discuss? Something like that...
You are a good writer. You have learned from your life and you are very wise. You aren't selling a widget/pill/hollow promise. I think your therapist was showing inspired wisdom and insight since you are, in fact, writing and probably preparing to write a wonderful book. and this is a great caliber of comments. r
For me it was a matter of finding the right therapist and the right medication. That's very specific to me though; that might not be the right situation for everyone. I'm glad I was persistent though. If I hadn't kept looking and found this psychiatrist/analyst, I truly believe I would have committed suicide.
I can't offer any wise advice here, but I can say that you tackled a lot in a short post and you did it very well. Maybe your therapist is right....
We went through this with ours, but opposite--therapy with no meds: is it right? is it wrong? then they grow up and ....it makes you wonder, doesn't it?
Yes! Write the book : )
Roger, thanks for the support
Chuck: Guess our therapists know us better than anyone?
Cassandra - I think that is part of the key "seasoned" professionals. Thanks
Dr Spud: Thanks - I know where to find you.
Scupper, thanks for the encouragement
Rita, thanks for the understanding
Mypsyche,I know you get this
Zul good to see you. That's the dilema - the good, the bad, different personalities...kind of like finding a partner!!
dlv: Always good to see you as one of the "sympathetic and perceptive readers here. I agree that writing is very theraputic. Isn't why there are so many of us here?
Hey tril. I agree with the crowd here. To quote two, who sum it up nicely:

mypsyche: "If you do not like or feel that your therapist is a fit, quit, run, leave!"

scupper: "write the book!"
life is not so easy as we want it to be...and then some people love to complicate it even more
live, breathe, and take your trips to Italy
I am supportive of therapy for everyone who needs it, but one of the best therapists I know believes that-- short of severe cases- therapy ought to have a beginning a middle and an END...not go on endlessly. I hope you come to some resolution and I agree with the people here who advise you to cut and run if you're not feeling good about the therapist you're currently with. I wish you and your children well. Rated for honesty and insights.
Oh my God, do I ever "get" this. :)
Alison, thanks
Delia: thank you for your kind words. Yes, I think somehow she did want me to use the writing as a therapy, as she knows I love to write.
Gerri; I'm so glad you found the right one(s) but I'm sure you know first hand that its a crap shoot sometimes.
Patricia: thank you so much
JT: Looks like the consensus is to write the book. Funny - my last post called "Accidental Writer" is about how I do have bits and pieces of my story all over the place...don't we all.
Bard: thanks, as always for chiming in.
Vanessa: Now that's the right idea.
MaryAnn: thanks - I agree with that philosophy too. At least there should be an end in sight.
Unbreakable!! so good to see you here and thanks for your comment.

This has been such a great discussion. thank you all for adding to it.
Obviously a topic close to a lot of hearts and minds.
I really like the form you chose for this. I understand the words all too well.
This was so real, relatable, touching, and wise. rated!
That would be scary (and funny), hearing your therapist suggest writing a book!

It's always difficult to determine if behavior is pattern or pathology. Especially when they are young, trying to find themselves and acting out as a matter of course.

I think almost every person will have a "crazy" phase. Just like we all had an "ugly" phase. My daughter was in therapy but I sensed that the attention of the therapy was only legitimizing behaviors that she actually did have control over. So I changed my own behavior, how I reacted to her behaviors -- I mean, a complete 180 on my part. Only then did her behavior improve. I know that wouldn't work for everyone, particularly for people who have true psychological disorders...I just wonder why we aren't allowed to be simply "sad" or "unhappy" or "hormonal" or "momentarily batshit." Not every negative feeling is a disorder.