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APRIL 25, 2011 1:43AM

Lured (To The Cult) Part 2

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Part 1 can be found here.

 

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"Was the love I was feeling in that Bible study room what I had been longing for all my life?"

 

I found myself returning with Ellen, sometimes twice a week and  no one was forcing anything down my throat, though I was still very much on guard...just there to observe, sitting in the back of the room, but I found myself going home each night with this peaceful feeling in my heart.  These people seemed to sincerely like me.  I was used to guys pretending to like me just  to get me into bed, but these guys were different, and that got my attention.

 

After some weeks I decided that it couldn't be a bad thing to clean up my life a bit.  They had this class called "Power For Abundant Living".  That's all they ever talked about.  It was the class that changed their lives because it taught the bible like its never been taught before.  Well, since I'd never read the bible before, I wasn't so sure how impressed I would be, but in order to do what all my new freinds were doing, and in order to keep this nice peaceful feeling that was creeping up in my heart, I decided to do it.  And, besides, I found the Bible Study leader quite attractive.

 

The culmination of "the class" was that everyone spoke in tongues.  From what I read in my friend's "Jesus People" book, speaking in tongues was a kind of "moved by the spirit" experience, not something that you could call on at will.  But this class showed from the scriptures that speaking in tongues was the proof that you were born again and God gave us free will, so of course we could do it whenever we wanted.  Lots of things didn't make sense to me, but I was new to all this, so I figured I'd be patient.  It all still "felt" good.

 

The more I learned, the more I realized that my old life style was probably not too pleasing to God.  I moved out of the commune and, for the most part, stopped doing drugs. One subject that always came up in these bible study meetings was that we lived in the "age of grace".  We were not under the "law" anymore like they were in the old testament.  We didn't need to follow the 10 Commandments (though the higher law was the law of love, so therefore, we wouldn't be going around breaking the 10 commandments!)  Made sense ( I guess).  So one night after bible study, I went to my leader, the cute guy, and said I needed to talk about some things in my life.  I was curious to find out just what God thought about sex, and alcohol, drugs and cigarettes.  All those things that you would think a real religious person would stop doing.  Almost half of the fellowship smoked cigarettes,  and they would often go out for a drink afterwards, so what was all this "grace" stuff?  Did we have to follow the rules or not.  To this day, almost 38 years later, I cannot remember anything we talked about, just  that I wound up in bed with the Bible Study leader that night.  Whew!  That set me back a bit.  I was here to change my ways and clean up my act, so to speak.  What the hell just happened?

 

I was always SO proud of myself for not being mentally ill in my mentally ill family, that  I denied for a long time that "The Way" was a cult, as that would make me less of a strong, independent person.  Strong and "mentally balanced" individuals...do not join cults.

 

The term "cult" is very subjective.  We conjure up images of the "Moonie's"; The People's Temple at Jonestown, the Hare Krinishna's at the airport.  One commenter in part 1 of this series made the comment:  "One person's cult is another persons salvation".  I thought how true this was.  My joining this group changed the course of my life from drugs and promiscuity to the Bible.  That's not a bad thing.  In hindsight, however, I can now see that what it did was take away from me something huge.  The ability to think for myself.  The ability to question or doubt; to trust myself.  I wound up putting all my trust in a person, not God, even though it was made to look that way. 

 

Some common characteristics of a cult include: (1) (2)

1.  A powerful leader who claims divinity or a special mission from     God.

·         God told Dr. W that no one since the first century was teaching the Bible accurately , and that if he would teach it to others, God would reveal to him how it should be taught.  The Way believes that Dr. W has the only true interpretation of the scriptures.

 

2.  Deceptive recruitment

3.  Alienation from family and friends

4.  Indoctrination, by use of sophisticated mind control techniques

5.  Slave labor - doing the work of the "church" for little or no pay

6.  Misuse of funds - accumulation of wealth for the leaders at the expense of the members.

7.  Exclusivity - "we are right and everyone else is wrong".

         8.  The death of a cult leader often means the death of the cult.

9.    New Truth:  God has revealed something special to them

10.  New interpretation of scripture

 

Without boring you with the details, let me just say that all of the above turned out to be true, along with a lot of steamy sex scandals amongst the highest leaders, pregnancies, forced abortions, suicides, the whole nine yards.  This was not something I ever knew about while I was involved, as I never got far enough into the "inner circle" so to speak.  Praise the Lord for that!

 

When ANY organization says it contains the "only" true teachings direct from God, BEWARE.

 

As it turns out, or as I have seen in these years I've been able to think for myself, one of the most dangerous principles of all that was drilled into us was the "law of believing", a twist on the positive/negative confession.  Sounds great.  Believe God.  Good things will happen.  But, just as good things happen, so do bad.  The teaching was that a followers' own faith will cause whatever they believe to come true.  So, in essence, if something bad happens, its because you didn't believe God.  If you get cancer, it was the fault of either your negative believing or or you just didn't believe enough.  Actually, cancer was believed to be a "devil spirit" so now you were really screwed. 

 

"The law of believing is entirely man centered.  People do not have faith in God, they have faith in faith. Your will and believing, not Gods,  determines what you get, either pain or pleasure."

("The Law Of Believing - No God Needed,  by Dr. John Juedes, 2007)

 

There is also a "dark side" to this law of believing.  Bad things will happen to people when they fear them.

 

Dr. W  tells the story of a woman who was afraid and worried that  her little boy would be hit by a car on the way to school.  One day, he was.  He died.  In his book (PFAL pg. 43-44) he writes, "Do you know what killed that little boy?  The fear in the heart and life of that mother"  She was so desperately afraid that something was going to happen to her little boy, that she finally reaped the results of her believing"!!!  (Power For Abundant Living, Victor Paul Wierwille)

 

"If one is afraid of a disease, he will manifest that disease, because the law of believing is that what one believes he will receive. (PFAL, page 38)

Dr W died of cancer in 1985.    His eye was removed due to ocular cancer and then a year later, at the age of 67, he died of liver cancer.  His son also died of cancer in 2000 at age 60.  This fact was hidden from the followers for many years, for obvious reasons.

 

It has been said in “the ministry” that the deaths of participants were caused by their own spiritual attitudes and failures.  I have a story of a friend of mine who died, while hitchiking in New Mexico, on a mission trip.  He was blamed for being “out of fellowship with God” for his own death.

 

Part 3 will talk about  how that "negative believing" teaching, linked with being out from under the protection of God  - by sinning, or doubting or questioning the Word (which actually means questioning “the ministry”  that was teaching  the Word) over the years, led to a fear of leaving the group.  Leaving the group was tantamount to putting a bulls eye on your back for the devil.  Leaving a bad marriage would be the same.

 

How do I leave something that I'm afraid will kill me if I do?  How do I leave what was my whole life for the past 15 years.  Friends, social life, husband.  I have alienated my family and old friends, co-workers (who didn't believe what I did).  No one was standing by the door telling me I couldn't leave.  No one was forcing me to stay.  Nothing was standing in the way, except the fear I had been indoctrinated with all these years.

 

 

 

Part 3 can be found here

 

 

 

 

 

 

(1)"Cults - The Battle for God", (May, 1990.  ISBN 0-7470-1414-0 ) Shirley Harrison
        (2) "The Cult That Snapped":  a Journey Into the Way International

        Kahler 1999"
      
(3) Josh McDowell & Don Stewart "Understanding The Cults" 1982

 

        "The Way" = The Way International® New Knoxville, Ohio

         “The Ministry” =  The Way International® New Knoxville, Ohio

         "The Class" =  Power For Abundant Living

         Dr. W. = Victor Paul Wierwille

        PFAL = Power For Abundant Living, American Christian Press (1986)

 

Photo above taken in my ancestral town of Calitri, Avellino, Campagnia, Italia
 Sept 2010It depicts the battle between old and new; ancient and modern

 

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...to be continued
I understand much of this, although not all. When I was five, my parents were caught up in a wave of fundamentalist evangelism that swept through the South and caught up hundreds, perhaps even thousands, of people. It had some differences in belief from the one you belonged to - lots more legalisms, practically everything happy or joyful in life was a sin - dancing, listening to that "devil-inspired" rock and roll music, even things as simple as wearing makeup or going to movies. Drinking and fornication? Unheard of! Only of course, it happened, it was just hidden. The way they caught you was that even wanting to do something sinful was a sin, and who doesn't want to live a normal life? Who doesn't want to do what everyone else is doing? So you had to keep coming back for forgiveness because of all that guilt you were feeling. Sound familiar?

I'm eager to hear how you finally managed to escape.
Hi trilogy. The BEWARE should apply to any outfit that gets its members to speak in tongues. It sounds like one of those hazing exercises where everyone feels somewhat humiliated and so forms a bond. The cover-ups and selective morality also seem to be features.

In that movie I mentioned in your first post, one of the senior members of the cult does some fast talking to get a donation. When a newer recruit challenges him on it, the cult guy tells the recruit to relax, "it's his ticket to heaven".

Will you cover what it's like to try and leave the group? Difficulty in doing so is another mark of a cult.
Fascinating. Just utterly fascinating. It takes some basic universal principles and twists in fear and judgment to make one's own essential beliefs a tool for the devil instead of the ability to simply be human. It's the repression of all those feelings, to me, that brings on all the negative consequences, and teachings like this do nothing but make someone feel that they need to cocoon themselves in a glass box and not feel anything. What a way to destroy someone's humanity - by denying it.

Powerfully told my friend, dangerous warnings indeed. Free thinking is our greatest gift, too bad so many feel it is a burden. Thank you for being you and lifting yourself up, out, and back to a place where your own beautiful spirit gets to shine!
My brother, who I haven't spoken to in 30 years, is a leader of a church that speaks in tongues. He also hasn't called my mom, even when she was almost dying and we had the operator break in and tell him on the phone. He has a son and grandson out of wedlock that he has never seen. He's the biggest hypocrite I have ever seen. If he died today, I could care less. Religion is very dangerous when you take it serious!
Great reading and very informative. Love the subtle touches of humour too.

I'm no expert but have always had an aversion to any religion or cult that touts fear and punishment. Too many use negative threats and brainwashing to keep their followers. As humans we are born imperfect and if we are to learn anything must be exposed to good and bad experiences.

Hence my own choice of Spiritualism where there is no hell, sin, judgement or damnation. Just the joy of continuation of the spirit. I have enough negativity of my own, without any group adding to the guilt.

A topic close to my heart and I'm loving reading your thoughts and experiences.
I see fundamentalist Christianity as a very destructive force in our society. Of course, there are other cults. There are also groups that have some of the elements of a cult, but not others. I guess it is not an all-or-nothing thing. This is a very important piece.
Looking forward to part 3.

I'm lucky that my cult is leaderless, has no truck with money, and leadership and doctrine are impossible because everyone's motto is You Ain't the Boss of Me. Despite my unhappy experiences in some organizing efforts, I think THIS is *the way*.
Looking forward to part 3...~r
Eek... these hypocrites give organized religion a bad name! I'm glad you got out!!!!

~r
Very interesting and well written piece here.
I grew up a Seventh-day Adventist, which was once considered a cult, but these days they are very conservative and fairly realistic as mainstream Christians. Their only specialty is that the Fourth Commandment makes clear that Saturday is the Sabbath. Constantine had blended the followers of Jesus and Apollo, using both Saturday and Sunday, days of fast and feast. People like feasting better so Sunday Apollo's day got to be the worship day for modern Christians. I personally like Apollo whose worship day was always Sunday, so I like that billions of Christians worship on Apollo's day. I find it hilarious that billions of Christians wave the Bible around declaring it the Word of God, yet break the Fourth Commandment every week.

I call myself an Abramist now, to encompass all the world religions in one world view, because Abraham and Sarah are similar to Brahma and Saraswati, and together their followers founded Zoroastrianism, Mithraism, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Bahai, Hinduism, Vishnuism, Shaivism, Buddhism, and Krishnaism.

I used to say I am agnostic because I could not say if there is a God or not, but now I say I am Gnostic because you can know the universal mind by knowing your own mind. God is substance, standing under all that exists.
Fascinating, Marlene. I never believed nor was enticed by cults, proabably because of my disconnection with Christianity and the Bible, but I can see their lure in your narrative. They feed on the weak and vulnerable; and are relentless on their hold. I'm looking forward to the next part as well.
♥R
Good piece, well told. Bravely told, I'll say. Important, too, since there's so much brainwashed thing going around, to show your clear experience. And...nobody's yet mentioned the photo! It's wonderful.
This is nothing but great Marlene and congrats on the EP
rated with hugs
I live in a city where Scientologists are prominent. If you pass by a Scientology-owned building, you see young minions providing the "slave labor" you referenced. Cults always prey on the the least advantaged among us. So glad you found your way out, but I'm sure it was a terrifying, bruising process.
Waiting for part 3....
This series is haunting for me. I recently left a church that was very much like this. Like you, I never considered it a cult, but I guess in some ways it was. I'm interested to read the rest.

Rated.
I find your reflections on all of this to be evidence of lessons well learned...
I'm glad you found your way out of this group-- it is a huge gift to oneself to leave all that is familiar and 'accepting' no matter the situation, if the background to it all is control and manipulation of your life...
...that is also one of the hardest gift's to give oneself when it just feels scary and lonely out there in the world, and you can't tell yet what the 'new' life holds in it that is good...
Look forward to more!
the message, so far, is conveyed quite well
very straight-up account here

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I enjoy your writing but your experience is depressing. Something you wrote did catch my eye though. That is you hadn't really read the Bible. I hope that isn't the case today.

I gravitated to the Seventh-day Adventist faith when I met my future wife. Later, I joined the church but maintained minimal involvement (pew warmer). Over the years my faith ebbed and flowed as it does with most people. However, over four years ago I had a light-bulb moment over a fairly innocent question I heard in a TV interview: Is Jesus worth it? The full question is, Is Jesus worth the time we would put into learning about him?

The answer for me is yes, he is! Since that time I have set aside the beginning of every day to study my Bible. That has helped me immensely. I can't say that God answers all my prayers and if the truth be told there is only one that I can say for sure that he answers everyday and that is for wisdom, knowledge, understanding and discernment of his word. I learn a little more each day and while I sometimes feel like Forest Gump I realize I have a much richer life for making the attempt to follow Christ.

I have peace - and that transcends almost everything. I don't try to indoctrinate people with the views of my church but I do like people to know that time spent studying God's word is very rewarding spiritually.

I hope you can find that level peace also...
Marlene, another amazing and fascinating installment here to your story! In addition, the comments left by others tell additional interesting stories about this important topic. It is unfortunate that a huge double standard was in place by those in charge, just for starters. It's regrettable that the followers often don't know the full story because it is never told to them but sometimes leaks out later on as related in your post. I'll be looking for more of the story as you post it!
I admire your sanity and ability to question and reflect this so many years later. I once tried to join a cult. But as far as I can tell I was all too eager, besides smoking copious amounts of herbs, drinking like a fish practically 24/7, and perving on all the vacuous chicks, I was very into the Bible as literature, poetry and philosophy. Needless to say, they threw me out after a few weeks. To make a long story short, if you want a cult to show you the door and forget your number, do what I did. Be yourself.
Good warning sings here and glad you got out!
s/b "signs" not "sings" ... I must have been thinking of those wagging tongues. ;0
so interesting.
I'm curious if there was a particular moment when you deeply, fully believed..and if there was a specific moment when you stopped.
can't wait for part 3!
this is creepily fascinating, marlene. i get (and laughed, hard) at the part about seducing the cute guy who led the group. i mean, back in the day wasn't that what it was all about? the rest of it ... whoooo. i'm interested in what happens next.
Just utterly fascinating! The clutches we can and do get into when we are young. The predators are all out there, aren't they? It really is sad to be caught in their snare, when as young adults we are so open, trying to stretch our wings, trying to think for ourselves, yet still under the influence of family dynamics from our childhoods. Looking forward to Pt.3.
One thing that people should realize is that the group you were in is considered to be a cult by the great majority of Christians, including fundamentalists. And this thing of "having faith in faith" is also found in some non-Christian, New Age groups.

Looking forward to part 3 . . . . .
You write about this so clearly it is hard to remember that it wasn't recent. Looking forward to part three.
Tril: This is amazing stuff! I have been part of a religious expeience where I did some facilitating in a small group environment.
To think that your leader bedded you just stuns me...whether you wanted it or not!
Having said that, believe me I know..those small groups can raise some serious emotions...and after leading 7 or 8 of them, I had to quit.
I got too attached to one of the participants....nothing happened...but I did not wish for anything to kick up.
Hypocracy would have been a big issue.

Looking forward to reading more here.
looking forward to part 3....
What an amazing look inside a cult. I know people in churches that sound like this. Everything you say is right on the mark.
Great post for those in doubt.
rated with love
Great writing, and good observations- both personal and also the analysis. Look forward to part 3.
You continue to fascinate. Keep it coming!
Thank God there is a part 3!!
It's when they say they are the way and the only way that makes them scary in my view, not the actual beliefs, which when you look at them very often without "faith" make no sense at all.

It's what "we bring to it" that makes all the difference, especially if it is suffering, guilt, shame, or no sense of self-identity or self-respect. That's who's "game," and it's a game that has been going on throughout all human history, and always will.

But even that is not necessarily to say it's wrong because very often "belief" is what a person needs, at least for awhile, to find the confidence and hope to go on living. We're human. It's part of being human, but the problem is the exploiters and as you say, getting out when the time has come and we learn to trust our own selves.
Oh my. You are doing Great Work here. R
reading and looking forward to part three
It is either people who are trying to quit something- alcohol usually, drugs next, sex (why?) a lot of the time, or are lost as they were either abandoned, ignored or abused during their developmental physiological cycles who fall for cults. For broader fundamentalists, it is all the above, plus family pressure, upbringing, community pressure, lack of education or just plain ignorance ... or brainwashing or abuse by a charismatic personality, like Jim Jones, who always, always, abuses you later ... (Koresh was in Hawaii for years, many of us remember him- scumbag child molester- the world is better without him, but, the cult followers were totally suckered into losing their lives.)

Reminds me of Maui in the early 70s- there was a cult called the Children of God- all lost souls, who dressed like Jesus and mooched their way around the world. A group of them ended up on Maui, and one surfer I knew (whose father had abused him terribly, it turns out) fell into it. They all got above a cliff at the famous Windmills surf spot, and were to jump together into heaven ... several did, and died, whether they went to heaven we don't know, I say no, they are just dead now ... well, the surfer got smart and pulled back at the last minute, and lived to surf Windmills some more. Then, his abuse as a child and guilt over the deaths got the best of him, and he became a drug addict for years ... now, he is a preacher! The only way he could quit drugs and alcohol, yet, he knows better than to speak in tongues or fly like St. Peter at the Vatican (yeah, right, Bible writing scribes), and, instead, helps other drug addicts ... which is good, but, they ought to have a better way to get clean then believing in Flying Spaghetti Monsters, of Flying Magi of Rome ... either way, God smote the flyers- and they all died ... in St. Peters Square, so the story goes, and at Windmills, which was in the newspapers of the time- but, you know how people plant fake stories in those Hawaiian newspapers back in the day! Maybe my surfer/preacher friend will run for office someday!
There seems to be a fine line between a cult and a religion....and some over lapping perhaps. I think one main difference is that a legitimate religion looks outside itself to find answers AND benefits its members instead of diminishing them. It seems that a cult looks for answers within itself and diminishes its members while making them believe its helping them. Just my opinion and observation.
tril, this is quite a journey you're taking us on. I want to sneak a peek at the last page, but there isn't one yet!
Trilogy - what a fascinating look at the inner workings of a cult. I can't wait for part 3 - hopefully how you got out and I am so glad you did and are here with us today. Lost souls can be so vulnerable - with all that you had going on in your family. I cannot say it enough times - I am so glad you had the inner strength to get out of there.
Fascinating. I had a friend once who believed we controlled what happened in life with our thoughts. Maybe she read one of the books. Things didn't turn out so well for her.

Don't keep us waiting for pt. 3 too long please.
It is always interesting to me how people that don't believe in God, got there. The 'excuses' and 'proofs' baffle me. I do believe cult type movements pray on people in transition, those who are trying to find some meaning. Alot of times those people are from dysfunctional families that have damamged them in some way. Everyone want a band-aid, a warm fuzzies, anything..to feel better. Cults pray on these walking wounded and it is very sad. My brother was with one for awhile, he is a Dr. today, and in his journey, he found his way. He fixed the hurts, himself. We have a mind and when we sort out the garbage, we can live, as obviously you did.
This is so interesting and informative and personal and intimate I hardly know how to respond except to thank you for your keen insights into not only your own evolution but to the dangers that lurk for those that are most vulnerable in seeking answers. rated
As I said before this is fascinating. I eschewed religion 50 years ago when I was 14. The absurd idea that with a whole universe around that an entity could (or would) have an active role in the lives of the entire population seemed silly. Nothing since has changed my mind. The idea that god created the universe seems a large stretch, and Einstein put it best when he said the question isn't whether god created the universe, the question is whether god had a choice.

I have nothing against god one way or the other, I think religion is the really big problem, most probably the biggest problem for humanity to solve. Most of our our travails can be traced to misguided paradigm that absolute belief in anything without proof is reasonable. The supernatural has no proof and magical thinking will not answer our problems. Religion is not the answer, religion is the problem. Belief is irrelevant.

Please continue your saga. Rated
I kept looking over my shoulder while reading this piece. I had an overpowering urge to just get up, leave the screen and do some chores. That's how unsettling this story is for me. It's so well written.

There are those of us who believe that the sentence, "It gives organized religion a bad name" is one of life's shining oxymorons.
I'm just getting caught up in my reading. Some powerful stuff here. Just about anyone can get swept up, if they are approached at a vulnerable time, and few people have the courage -- as you did -- to give voice to doubts and leave everything behind, especially once they've isolated and alienated themselves from everyone and everything else. I know this story has a good ending, but I'm still tense just thinking about it.
So interesting. We must all beware. Never give up your ability to think for yourself, to seek the company of friends and family. In the milieu you can lose yourself.
You are very brave to share your story. I think every human being could be susceptible to a cult. By sharing your story you may very well save someone else from going down this path. Cult leaders can be extremely persuasive. Thank you trilogy for telling your story. I will look forward to part III. R
I see many similarities in a religious cult and the cult of pimps...bottom line is they always seem to prey on the vulnerable. Thank goodness some of us have a brain and come into our own. Looking forward to Part 3.
Trilogy, I am so glad you're writing about this...for yourself and for those who will be helped by your experience. I am looking forward to Part 3. xox
I'm really overwhelmed with the response to this post(s). Thank you all so much for your comments and your support. I was even approached by someone who has a website for ex"Way" people and wanted to link to this. Hopefully, it will help others "See the light"!
Outstanding work, Marlene! My friend grew up in a fundamentalist household which she describes as a cult. It was all about sin and fear, fire and brimstone. I believe Hitler was a cult leader just as much as Jim Jones was.

Lezlie
I am finding these pieces really fascinating. I await part three- - very well told . I want to hear so many more details. Fascinating.
The fear is real. I remember when I left Christian evangelicalism I sincerely believed that my choice might end me up in hell for eternity. But I was so miserable I didn't care. And I brazenly told God, "Whatever. I'm not participating in anything that feels unauthentic to me." That was almost 20 years ago and I've never been struck with a bolt of lightning. So, you were in "The Way"? That's a whole another level of involvement isn't it. I know a family that lost all six of their children to The Way. They all moved to Europe and I have no idea what happened to them. I only know they cut off all communication with their Catholic parents who they considered demonic. Crazy stuff. Again, great writing Trilogy and I look forward to Part III.
Yikes! Never been fan of organized religion. This confirms it! Looking forward to part 3.

Cheers
This is so freaking sinister, it makes chills go up my spine. It's like when you watch a scary movie and you want to scream at the heroine not to go through that door. At the same time, the psychology is fascinating. I was once approached by a Moonie on the Cal campus. She was lovely. Said she had been a graduate student until she joined the Moonies. Obviously, her intellect was not defective. Clearly, you are not a weak, submissive sort of person who needs someone else to direct their life. So how does this happen?

When I was in law school, I ordered a copy of Imbau and Reid, the interrogation manual that's used by everyone from your local cops to the CIA. These guys figured out how to get people to confess to stuff, even, as they sort of acknowledged, to things they did not do. This was the method used on terrorist subjects that finally yielded some usable results. Anyway, it's a super powerful interrogation method. Ominously, the authors warn that no one can resist the method. Even a interrogator trained in the method will cave when it is used on him, even though he knows what's going on.

All this makes me think that there are triggers in the human brain that we have not begun to understand. I'm sure that the military trains their Special Ops guys to resist brainwashing, but the rest of us are likely to be vulnerable, however independently we normally think. Perhaps we are programmed to want to fit in or to seek or to believe. I suspect that the only thing that will save you is a conviction that you will always be an outcast and a misfit. If you're sure you'll never be accepted, you might maintain some distance. Fascinating series.
This is so freaking sinister, it makes chills go up my spine. It's like when you watch a scary movie and you want to scream at the heroine not to go through that door. At the same time, the psychology is fascinating. I was once approached by a Moonie on the Cal campus. She was lovely. Said she had been a graduate student until she joined the Moonies. Obviously, her intellect was not defective. Clearly, you are not a weak, submissive sort of person who needs someone else to direct their life. So how does this happen?

When I was in law school, I ordered a copy of Imbau and Reid, the interrogation manual that's used by everyone from your local cops to the CIA. These guys figured out how to get people to confess to stuff, even, as they sort of acknowledged, to things they did not do. This was the method used on terrorist subjects that finally yielded some usable results. Anyway, it's a super powerful interrogation method. Ominously, the authors warn that no one can resist the method. Even a interrogator trained in the method will cave when it is used on him, even though he knows what's going on.

All this makes me think that there are triggers in the human brain that we have not begun to understand. I'm sure that the military trains their Special Ops guys to resist brainwashing, but the rest of us are likely to be vulnerable, however independently we normally think. Perhaps we are programmed to want to fit in or to seek or to believe. I suspect that the only thing that will save you is a conviction that you will always be an outcast and a misfit. If you're sure you'll never be accepted, you might maintain some distance. Fascinating series.
About the interrogation techniques, Serenita, isn't that why POWs are supposed to give only name and serial number? It's hard not to respond when questioned, but NOT ENGAGING is the only safe way to deal with some people in some situations.
Yes, not to engage is the safest, though name, rank and serial number predated modern interrogation techniques. The basis of the interrogation technique is that people can't help but engage. They want to defend themselves, they want to be accepted. The technique makes a person feel isolated until they give the interrogator what they want. It's very powerful.
wow, this was intense...in a good way. rated
Very fascinating. I think you might have a book here. It's interesting - your definition of a cult definitely got me thinking....Sounds a lot like the religion I grew up in.

I'm so glad you worked up the strength to walk away.
Oh my goodness, tril.