I am an educator, a college professor to be exact. I have taught at eight schools in three different states. I do not carry a gun. My students (I hope) do not carry guns. The biggest problems I face in the classroom are web-surfing and text messaging. This is easily solved – laptops are banned and texters reprimanded and marked “absent.” What would happen if I – or my students – carried concealed weapons?
I tend to teach “hot-button” topics – race, gender, sexual orientation. I often teach to students who take my courses as part of a requirement which means they don’t want to be there and are already hostile to the material (and to me) before we’ve had our first class meeting. All these factors mean that I not only have to teach the material, I have to “win over” the students so that they are open-minded enough to actually learn something. It is not easy. Sometimes I fail.
However, as it is now, an upset student has a few options, most of which are non-violent. They can complain to me. They can complain to my boss (the department Chair). They can withdraw from the class. They can refuse to do the work (and then fail, and then complain to me about it). I suppose a really, really upset student could lay in wait for me in the parking lot and assault me. Fortunately, this has never happened and I suspect it is unlikely to in the future.
What my students cannot do is legally carry a weapon on campus and into the classroom and threaten me or their fellow students. I take great comfort in this fact. As I mentioned, I teach “hot-button” topics. The possibility of heated debates, extreme emotions and insults is high. The rule in my classrooms is that we do not have to agree but that we must always be respectful. But enforcing this among 20 or more teenagers is always a challenge.
For example: I was teaching a course on U.S. settlement and westward expansion to a class in the southwest. My students were of various races and ethnicities. During a discussion of the annexation of Northern Mexico which gave the U.S. most of the southwest (including the state in which we were holding class), a white American male student told a Mexican American male student to “go back where you came from.” The Mexican American student replied, “I am where I came from – why don’t you get out?” Both students then rose from their seats and cocked their fists, getting ready to fight. I diffused the situation, we were able to continue class and neither student ever gave me any trouble after that day. Imagine how differently things might have gone if these students had guns.
The speed at which things can get out of hand is astonishing and the ability to summon help is woefully inadequate. These young men were no more than three feet away from me but by the time I moved out from behind the lectern and got between them, they were already almost in a brawl. A quick-drawing student would have fired at least one shot before I could have done anything. And I would not have put myself between two armed students, which would have left the rest of the class vulnerable and in harm’s way. There was no campus phone in this classroom. Phones are often missing from classrooms which means faculty in trouble must leave the classroom and go to a hallway phone or dial from their own cell phones (which most faculty turn off when they’re teaching).
Many proponents of arming students and teachers believe this is a way to avoid (or respond quickly to) incidents of violence on school campuses. However, this is a gross misrepresentation of the actual facts. While mass shootings such as those at Virginia Tech rightfully garner widespread media attention, information compiled by the Department of Justice clearly demonstrates that the greatest danger to young people is posed outside of school: “In each year during the period 1992–93 to 2007–08, there were at least 50 times as many homicides of youth away from school than at school and generally at least 150 times as many suicides of youth away from school than at school.” This data includes the year (2007) of the Virginia Tech shootings – even that tragic event didn’t tip the scales. Students are still more likely to encounter deadly violence away from school campuses.
Carrying guns in schools is simply a bad idea. We already know that students are at greater risk off-campus and it is easy to infer that campuses where students are allowed to carry guns are less safe than gun-free campuses. Danger is not only physical but also mental and emotional. The threat of deadly violence hampers both students’ and teachers’ abilities to engage in meaningful dialogue. If I knew that my students could pull a gun on me the moment I challenged their preconceived ideas and biases, I would (I’m sad to say) greatly alter my teaching methods. I may even change the curriculum to avoid the “hot-button” topics altogether. I may – and I imagine many of my colleagues may – give up teaching for a safer occupation.
Is this the kind of “education” we want for our children and young adults? Perhaps. I do not think it is a coincidence that the “guns in classrooms” legislation is being pushed in states like Texas and Arizona. These states have high non-white (primarily Latino) populations and debates about what the curriculum should include are well-documented. Arizona, for example, has been trying to dismantle Ethnic Studies departments and curricula – precisely the kinds of classes I teach and in which discussions can become highly-charged. If we allow guns in classrooms, we don’t need legislation banning Ethnic Studies. Most teachers will voluntarily switch to “safer” topics. And those who don’t will face a hostile – and fully armed – classroom.


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I disagree with the professors. First of all, teenagers cannot get a concealed handgun license anyway. You must pass a very strict FBI background check, state check and take training. Most of you don't know the qualifications so you should get more educated.
It is my feeling that everyone should be able to protect themselves anywhere. If you look up the statistics for the state of Texas, (Texas DPS concealed handgun statistics) you will see that those of us who carry are the least likely to committ any crime.
Where will the professors be when someone comes in to do harm to the class? Probably hiding under the desk. Where will the Campus police be when the girl leaving the campus library gets assaulted behind the hedges? Probably at the donut shop or at the other end of the campus! We called them Campus "insecurity" at Colorado State University.
It has been my experience that most campus police officers are people who can't make it at a real police department. When you need one they are always at the other end of the campus. They cannot be with everyone at the same time.
Being that the colleges today as they were when I went to college very liberal I understand why they don't want anyone anywhere to have a gun. It is hard to run rampant over an armed populace.
Colonel Quadafi took the guns and now his people are crying to American to send them some.
Guns on campus? I say yes. I can guarantee that less deaths will occur if they are there than those caused by drugs, alcohol and wild parties now. Those of us that are licensed are subject to a FELONY if we do those things while carrying and if we get arrested if we are not carrying then our CHL is taken away.
Allow guns, require training before allowing to carry on campus.
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You say students are safer on campus than off. How many of your students never leave campus? How many live off campus? They are not limited to your "safe campus". Your students are exposed.
How many fewer people would have died at VT if there had been someone armed in the class room? We will never know. What we do know is that there are schools where violence started and was ended when students went and got weapons from their cars and brought it to an end.
Who is going to protect you from people like the VT shooter or some other crazy, most states you have to give the state permission to check your mental health records so it's not CWP holders who are crazy, person? You say the classrooms don't have phones and you turn your's off. Even if you did have a phone, what is the time difference between someone pulling a gun, firing 30 rounds and the time required for you to call someone, tell them who, what, and where and armed police showing up? You don't have to be quick draw for that.
Not everybody is going to carry. You never will, and that's okay. You don't need 100% of the population to carry. Look at the1987 Florida CWP law. People who would rob someone now have to change their thinking from he is not armed to which one is armed. Even with the predictions of "blood flowing in the street" we find all these years later that didn't happen and in fact crime went down. Maybe some bad guy decided that grandma may not be such an easy target.
Finally, I don't carry all the time anymore. I no longer take large sums of money to the bank night drop. Even when I did carry, I never took my weapon out. I have displayed it to people approaching and the sight of a weapon has make them turn around. Even though I don't carry all the time now, did I carry yesterday or today?
You can infer that, but on what is your inference based? There are a number of states that permit concealed carry, so we now have years of data available in order to determine whether concealed carry programs make people less safe. As far as I know there is no such evidence, and in fact, the evidence that I've seen suggests that concealed carry programs actually make people safer.
There have been a number of posts on OS arguing against concealed carry on university campuses. One problem with these posts is that they really are arguments against concealed carry in general, not against concealed carry specifically on campus.
In other words, someone who opposes concealed carry in general will oppose concealed carry everywhere -- streets, stores, theaters, campuses, and everywhere else. What I haven't yet seen is a compelling argument why concealed carry is a bad idea specifically on a campus.
For example, you talk about how students get into heated discussions in class. Well, people get into heated discussions everywhere else in states where there is concealed carry. But there's no evidence that concealed carry makes such heated discussions more dangerous, whether the discussion occurs on the sidewalk, during a traffic accident, in a restaurant, etc.
You say "Students are still more likely to encounter deadly violence away from school campuses." Ok, so what about the student who carries a concealed handgun for self-protection while commuting to the university, based on the fact that he or she is "more likely to encounter deadly violence away from school campuses"? What is the student supposed to do with the handgun when he or she gets to school?
Part of the problem with banning handguns on campus is that in effect, you're also preventing student commuters from carrying guns on the way to campus. Because once they get to campus, they can't have a gun there.
In addition, you're it seems that you're only talking about "teenagers." What about the large number of adult students? Is there a compelling reason why a 50 year old woman shouldn't be able to posses a handgun while taking a night class on campus?
Wouldn't it make more sense to license and train adults eligible for concealed carry than to wonder who is packing heat? The one's who want to carry, do anyway.
Adding weapons to the situation was a huge turn in the wrong direction. This is experience, not hypothetical.
We also have a bill in Idaho to allow weapons in classrooms on campus.
Do you want to teach here now? Do you want to come here to compete in sports? Do you want to referee our games?
If you need a gun to get through your day, you are in some serious need of therapy, or something, possibly incarceration, to protect the rest of us from your paranoia and over inflated ego.
It makes no sense to base policy on a single incident or anecdote. In evaluating a program you have to look at the totality of the program. As I mentioned previously, there are a large number of states that have concealed carry programs, with well over a million permit holders throughout the country. Florida alone has over 600,000 people with concealed carry permits. Many of the states have programs that have existed for years. The data are out there, so there is no need for speculation or single anecdotes.
eastinidaho: "If you need a gun to get through your day, you are in some serious need of therapy, or something, possibly incarceration, to protect the rest of us from your paranoia and over inflated ego."
People who have concealed carry permits do so because they are interested in self-protection. A handgun is the only device that gives a person a ranged defense against a violent attack. By "ranged defense" I mean that the handgun allows you to defend yourself while maintaining a safe distance from an attacker. Other modes of defense (e.g., martial arts, pepper spray, tazers, knives, etc.) either require you to get close to an attacker or are unreliable in their effectiveness.
In the great majority of instances in which a handgun is used in self-defense, the gun is not fired; the mere presence of the gun is sufficient to deter the attack.
There are many people who have no interest in self-defense, either with a handgun or by any other means. That's fine with me, and I hope it works out for them. But it doesn't mean that people who want to protect themselves are somehow irrational.
Rather than basing your opinions on anecdotes, I suggest that you actually attempt to learn the facts.
Abrawang writes: "I see the arm-bearers couldn't stay away from this."
Yes, because on Open Salon most posts on firearms issues are exercises in misinformation, speculation, and guesswork, especially the posts that end up on the cover. The writer of this post, for example, raises some valid concerns, but neglects some very basic facts. Take, for example:
"If I knew that my students could pull a gun on me the moment I challenged their preconceived ideas and biases, I would (I’m sad to say) greatly alter my teaching methods."
What she neglects to mention is that campus handgun bans have absolutely no power to prevent students from bringing handguns on campus. Without metal detectors and body searches she has absolutely no idea whether students have guns with them. This is because, ban or not, anyone can walk into her classroom with a gun. But the passage is written as if bans are some kind of force field, magically keeping guns off of campuses. Ask Seung-Hui Cho how effective campus handgun bans are.
You shouldn't worry about a law allowing CCW permit holders to have their guns in class. You should worry about are those who ignore the law, and carry guns concealed despite not having a CCW permit and/or a law allowing it.
I hope that you research the information that you teach your classes more than you researched the subject of this blog.
People with concealed carry permits (the only group proposed to be able to carry guns on campus) have been found in studies to commit less violent crimes per capita than police officers. I think most gun control advocates underestimate the ability of most people to control themselves, my theory being because they obviously can't control their own selves, so they assume the rest of us are just as unbalanced.