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AUGUST 12, 2012 10:52PM

Train Wreck

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Last month was my three year anniversary on Open Salon. I remember being absolutely thrilled and amazed at the incredible talent here. I couldn't get enough of this place - it was exhilarating. Many nights, I read until the wee hours of the morning, finally reluctantly closing my laptop from sheer exhaustion only to log back on the moment I opened my eyes the next morning. For a very long time, OS was the first thing I did in the morning and the last thing I did before I went to bed. 

 I became acquainted with some of the most incredible people. I even met some of them in person and consider them friends to this day. They were exactly who I perceived them to be from their writings. Some of the finest writing I've ever read was right here on Open Salon. 

I haven't been active here much in the last year - work and life drew me away and, truth be told, the place lost much of its appeal when all the rumors started flying about OS closing its doors. We went through editor after editor, great writers began leaving for other sites or setting up their own sites. Changes - lots of changes. The feeling of community that was so strong at one time began to crumble away at the edges.

 Still, out of habit, I kept coming back occasionally, mostly to read and comment every so often. I haven't written much in a long while. Again, work and life held my attention and left little time for creative pursuits. I missed the community here but life goes on, yes? 

 Fortunately because of my sporadic presence here over the last year, I managed to miss some of the recent dust-ups/flame wars, whatever you prefer to call them. Ah, but this current one... 

I was alerted to it by posts on Facebook and I scurried over to see what was happening. Like a moth to the flame, I was drawn back. And now, I am saddened, disheartened, discouraged. I've been witness to, and even involved in, my fair share of flame-wars. I thought I had seen some sh*t. 

I have to say that nothing I've witnessed here before even comes close to what is going on here now. OS used to be a place for intelligent discourse, reasoned disagreements. The community policed itself to some degree. Rarely, if ever, have I seen editors or "the powers that be" step in to moderate or mitigate and of course, that seems to be the case still.

I've not commented on any of the posts in question, except 0nce on Aim's Unforgiven. This is a pigsty I chose not to wade into. Until now. I'm sure I will regret putting this post up - I may well take it down. I'm saddened to see what OS has devolved into. 

For what it's worth, I absolutely deplore the anti-Semitism and hate speech that was spouted here. I cannot believe any sane person would defend it. The Matt and Fusun debacle has taken on a life of its own and has become a black hole sucking in anyone who dares to go near it. I am not privy to the details of the cyber stalking that happened to Candace, other than what she has revealed here. I can only say that I know Candace personally and I am so sorry that she had to endure something so hideous and I'm sorry I wasn't paying attention because I would have come to her defense immediately had I been aware of it.

I considered Matt a friend. He was always kind to me. I am floored by what has been revealed here. I've waited for some kind of public explanation, defense, something... anything. Nothing. Matt, did you do this??

As for Fusun, I've been here long enough to have witnessed some very troubling behavior from her on a couple of occasions. I don't understand what drives her and I made it a habit long ago to steer clear of her.

My grandmother always told me, 'where's there's smoke, there's fire." I see way too much smoke for there not to be a horrendous fire. I think anyone who has been here long enough to witness the steadfastness and longstanding credibility of folks like Joanie and Candace know the truth of what has happened.

That's my take on the whole thing. I'm sure no one needed another two-cents-worth on the subject, but I needed to say it.

I don't even want to think about what kind of place OS will be when this is over. Too much has been damaged, too much vitriol has been exchanged, too many have been dragged into the muck and mire.

I would be lying if I said I won't come back here to see what happens. I will, of course. But it will not be with the same heady expectation and excitement that I used to come here... no, certainly not that. It will be with the same morbid fascination one has when watching a train wreck. You know you should look away, but something just keeps pulling your attention back to the horrific scene. 

 

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I agree, Kim. It is tragic, all that's happened. I'm glad you weighed in, however you decided to do it. Your two cents were something I always looked forward to reading. Still do.
As usual Kim you and I are of like mind on this particular train wreck. You are one of the fine writers I miss reading on this site and it is your kind of quality this place needs. You and I, we have met, we know each other. We have shared food and conversation and we KNOW each other. I need people in here I really know and not just avitars folks wear like halloween masks. Just my Opinion.
Thank you for articulating what I have been feeling. It does seem so much worse this time.
It's good to see you, as always, are still unbreakable, Kim. :-D

I'm not going to comment on this anymore. It's too personal for me, and I've let that get in the way of honest concern. Concern for Candace and all the others who were injured by this; concern for those who would support and defend the unsupportable and indefensible; concern for those whom I have been and still am proud to call friend here.

I've learned that people will believe what they want, regardless of the truth. That this train wreck as you so aptly put it was inevitable does not make it entertaining (as some have suggested). It is a sad commentary on what this site was allowed to devolve into.

There I go, saying more than I should. Sorry.

What I should say, and need to say, is thank you. This was a perfectly spot-on post, and your input is always measured, fair, and welcomed as far as I'm concerned.
If you're fed up with the crap that's happening on OS, please give lorianne's site a try. It provides everything Open provides with one exception. It does not have spam, it does not have "Lots of Errors", and it does not have all of this nonsense. It does have an active administrator who will cut things off and is responsive.

The main thing missing is the people - the community. Right now there are only a small number of active users. But, as that grows, the community will grow.

Again, please try it.

Our Salon http://oursalon.net
Why do I keep pushing Our Salon? It's a question some of you who have seen my comments about it probably ask.

It's because I remember what Open Salon was like - I've been reading here since the fall of 2008. And, I've seen what it's become.

I believe Our Salon has the potential to be a better version of Open. It just needs your help.
Such a sad state of affairs. Glad you weighed in Kim. you are missed.
OS has hemorrhaged a lot of talent over the years and I can't imagine it ever being what it was once. But I still contend OS is what you make of it and not believing that has made it what it is today.
Thank you for writing this. I am too angry about what has happened to OS to write about it cogently. I agree with what cheshyre grin wrote.
Somewhere along the line, it got really meshuggah here. Yet, there is still some very fine writing and that is what I continue to look for. I miss yours, by the way. You were one of the first writers here I followed... xox
Nice to see you, K. Wish it wasn't this way.

I've been involved in multiple communities that eventually dissolved, both online communities and real world creative communities. This is exactly how they go down:

Strong gathering of creative active people, plus a few nuts. Lots of great effort, lots of good times. After a few years, people burn out/get into conflicts/move away/group is evicted from their space/etc. People begin to depart, people who by the force of their numbers in the healthier days of the community, kept the wannabe/overly invested/mentally unstable element in check. Balance shifts, and the latter take charge. Community becomes unattractive to those who'd otherwise wish to join, and very attractive to another kind of mindset. The descending arc of this trajectory feels in play here at OS. It doesn't happen overnight, but drops slowly, like a balloon.

I arrived here somewhere on the peak of the arc, 2009, after ending nearly thirteen years at another once large and lively online community established by the Utne Reader. It is now a wee raft with about half a dozen people on it, having the same fights and conversations over and over and over. After a few days of being here, I found Jeannette Demain and Nelle Engoran, former buds from the Utne site. That was great! Now they both seem absent. Some of us will meet up again, in other gathering spots. It sounds like facebook might be that, but I can't/won't do facebook. Because of that choice, I miss you all. And I haven't let go here yet, although after the past two weekends, I have to consider it. Time will tell.
Candace - my friend. I know you are strong and a force to be reckoned with. I know you will weather the storm and that you have a home away from here that is well established. I'm glad for that, for you and for those who have joined with you. I've stubbornly held on here, wishing. But it appears that time is swiftly coming to an end. And for that I am very sad. You are a brilliant, witty, savvy, kind, no-nonsense person and I will always value OS for being the vehicle that introduced you to me. You and I will remain friends, of that I am sure. I'm sorry for what you've had to endure. I won't go into it, but I have my own horror stories of cyber stalking and it is beyond ugly. Be well, my friend. I will see you in other places.
David - avatars folks wear like halloween masks - perfect description. You, David, have always been a true friend to me and you are one of the people I spoke of who was exactly who I expected you to be - we do indeed KNOW each other. And therein lies the tragedy of this debacle - there are so few people left to really trust here. The few that I do, though, are what keeps me coming back here even if I don't feel safe enough to put much out there anymore. Sad.

Sweetfeet - It does, doesn't it? There seems to be a finality to it all.

Bill - Ah, someone else whose opinion I have always valued and trusted. You speak the truth and you do it with dignity and unflinching candor. Thank you, Bill, for your unfailing integrity. I've read every word you've written on this saga and have found you to be, as ever, rock-solid.

Mark - ah, but it's the community that I value so. I've been to Our Salon a time or two... maybe it's time to check it out again.

Marlene - thank you for saying that. I miss you too. Trite though it is - I miss "the old days."

cheshyre - I agree - I can't imagine it ever being what it once was either.

emma - so good to see you here - thank you. And I agree with cheshyre, too.

Joan - I will always remember and appreciate your unflagging support of my writing. And you are one of the few writers I still follow here. I rarely comment on anyone's posts, but please know that I do still follow you... and David and Candace and a handful of others. Can't bear not to.

greenheron - you've written a very astute synopsis of what does indeed appear to be taking place here. Sad, so sad. Like you, I haven't let go completely, but... Thank you for your incredibly insightful comment. I always appreciate your input and your fair-minded approach.

Thanks to all of you, my dear and trusted friends of OS for your thoughts and comments on this post. Please know that you are all dear to me. It's been quite an experience we've had together these last years. One that I doubt can be replicated anywhere else. But it was a helluva ride, wasn't it?
I haven't been here much either, this past year. I feel the same way. Thanks for saying it so well.
Hi Sophie - always good to see you. Sorry it's on a post like this. Thanks for reading and for commenting.
place will be much improved once all the hoomans R replaced

the matt and fusion models recalled for further programming
I agree with you about so much. I have not spent much time here of late, and am always "surprised" when I do come on to read my favs and see that there has been another flare up of bad behavior. As you know (from a mutual site where we first met ) this latest is but a repeat of things that go on anytime people have too much invested in the wrong things.

I've refrained from reading what all has happened because I know people are hurting, and there is nothing I can say to end any of their pain.

You I do know, and I will read what you write wherever I can.
Hi Kim
Goodness knows I've put in my two ce.. hundred bucks worth already.
Just commenting to say I've always liked your voice here, when you do post. It relaxes me.. I mean.. you do.. WHATEVER.
Practically a huge mistake to mention "the good old days" and I hate going there, at all, usually... but damnet, it was better!
See ya. Post a happy something sometime soon.
Gorlock - is that you, Myriad?

Sheila - you, my friend, like our mutual friend David, are always the calming voice of reason. That's just one of the many reasons I appreciate you so much. Thank you for coming here to comment today - it means A LOT to me.

tr ig - hard not to think about the good old days, though, huh? You made me smile - needed that today. So, thank you! And believe me, I would love to post something happy. Hell, I'd like to read something happy.
Of course Gor is not me - he/she/it is silly, and I'm a Sirius, er, serious person. Besides, I disapprove of people using alters to pretend they're not human.
Thank you for writing this. I mourn the utter loss of integrity of the OS community and cannot, for the life of me, understand the people who think the rest of us should just ignore the corpse robbers.
Well said, Emma. I don't understand it either. Never will.
Hi UB
Sometimes you have to speak up. I guess after three years, I finally had enough of the people who attack those who point out the truth, who write call outs and name others but then close comments and point fingers.
I am beginning to say the truth because I believe I am done here. I had a great time, great support, worked my way up to getting comments and rates without meta all the time or falsely inflating.
So, my friend, I am at the place you were once probably not too long ago. Glad to see your face and sorry the place has pretty much tanked.
@Rita,
Seriously? That is so sad. You wrote some entries that brought me to snotty tears. I will miss your writing, and hope you just keep putting out there. I'm of the "Don't let the bastards get you down" school. If you fold it up, at least I have the opportunity to tell you how affecting your stories and poetry were and thank you.