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Having been an unemployed/self-employed programmer for over 3 years, I've been contemplating what it means to be a "productive member of society." I think nowadays, our whole economy is based on bullshit. Americans buy tons of things they don't need, manufactured by slaves on the other side of the world. Entire armies of sales reps, customer service people and marketing associates desperately try to make their company the best shit-peddlers on the market. How are any of these people really helping society? Unless if you work in agriculture or medical, you aren't really providing anything people NEED. Even things people say we need, like cars, wouldn't be needed if we had a decent mass-transit system. The cars that they build, non-electric, are not the best cars anyway. Auto-manufacturers just keep building them because they are more profitable, because old industries make too much money on combustion engines. These companies need a legion of PR people and lawyers to convince us otherwise. Similarly, armies of PR people and lawyers are trying to convince us we need the latest pharmaceuticals (when it's been shown 100 generic pills could treat 99% of diseases), or GM food which has less nutrients and therefore less value than conventional food... even for products or services that we NEED, the American people are being scammed. Or what about the defense industry, they've had a great last 9 years, helping drop thousands of bombs on Iraq/Afghanistan. For each bomb they sell - they profit. Hundreds of thousands of people work for these companies... for what? I don't think any of these people are more beneficial to society than me. Actually discussing politics is one of the best things you can do. We're in the middle of an information war. The people who are winning the war have stolen trillions of dollars from our government, and will cause out-of-control inflation and eventually another great depression if we don't get our act together. The only reason they can do it is because people weren't informed enough to see the lies in the media. The internet is a good place to share information. That's why I think if you want to help society... you should start convincing everyone our "society" is fucked-up, so we can change it.

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JULY 14, 2009 1:26PM

Electric Cars Still Dead, Anti-Trust Prosecutions Needed

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A few years ago I went to see the movie Who Killed the Electric Car in the theatre.  A total of 4 people were in the audience.  That documentary made me very angry, but what was worse - was that I was alone in my outrage. Basically, no one knew about the story of electric cars.

 

Who Killed the Electric Car

 

First off, electric cars are not small.  They can handle highway driving and they're safe.  If it's electric, it doesn't only have to be a car, it could be an SUV.

Yet everyone thinks Electric cars are small, goofy-looking compacts that no one would drive, except new-age hippies with pony-tails.  Screw that.

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But this post isn't about the viability of electric cars.  If you want to learn about the specifics, and why electric cars pollute less,  use less energy, cause less pollution, please see the references in the forum post... Here.

The point of THIS article is to talk about why electric cars haven't made it big yet.  

For example, why is it possible for an oil company to buy the rights to NiMH battery patents, the same batteries used in the electric SUV above, and never be prosecuted for Anti-Trust violations?

Imagine if Microsoft bought up patents for computer processors, and then said "I'm sorry, if your Operating System wants to use our patented processor, it needs to pay a ton of money.  So much money in fact, that only Microsoft will be allowed to utilize the processor."  How fast would Microsoft be sued into obvlivion?

Well, that's exactly what happened with electric cars using NiMH batteries.  Chevron/Texaco bought the patents to NiMH, and since then we haven't seen any EVs with NiMH.  They charge outrageous fees for rights to develop a large NiMH battery... yet no one asks for Antitrust prosecutions.  Why can an oil company completely destroy future competition before it even exists, while Microsoft gets prosecuted for packaging a browser with an Operating System?  

The DOJ should be investigating oil companies stifling future competition, by burying technology they don't like. NiMH is just one example.

On the other side of the oil barrel, are the auto manufacturers who have had a love/hate relationship with future electrics.

Actually it's more like they love electric car PR and green-washing, while they hate the idea of making electric cars a reality.

If they didn't hate EVs, why did EVERY major auto-manufacturer tell their EV customers in 2001 that they need the cars they were leasing back, to be used for research to build better EVs.  Then turn around and crushed all those cars, sue the CA government for having them make EVs, and then switched all their research to Hydrogen?

That entire story is covered in Who Killed the Electric Car.  If you haven't seen the documentary already, it's a MUST SEE.  I don't want to completely re-hash the story here, but basically, auto manufacturers actions speak louder than words.  Their actions prove they're hostile towards EVs.  

Even after proving the EV market exists, they only use EVs as PR to talk about their non-existant green credentials, when in reality, EVs were green and viable over 10 years ago.

If you look closer at how car companies make money, it's pretty obvious why EVs haven't been developed.  The profit-margins just aren't as great with EVs. In EVs you don't need oil changes, tune-ups, and thousands of parts that go into the the assembly of an internal combustion engine.  All these parts may need repair in 3-10 years, at which time, the dealership salesguy will have a talk about trading in your "old" vehicle.  As if 5 years was an acceptable/natural life-span for car.

Electric motors are just too simple, and they last too long.  That's why auto-manufacturers refuse to make them, and why they'll do anything to stop them. 

It's also important look at their long relationship with the oil industry.  The same industry that claims we only have enough oil for transportation, not enough electricity.  According to MIT that's not the case:

"...there is enough excess generating capacity during the night and morning to allow more than 80 percent of today's vehicles to make the average daily commute solely using electricity. If plug-in-hybrid or all-electric-car owners charge their vehicles at these times, the power needed for about 180 million cars could be provided simply by running these plants at full capacity." - wired

Anyway you look at it, EVs are long overdue.  It's been 8 years since we had a wide range of EVs leased to the public, and here we are - 8 years later, still looking at the crushed corpses of the electric car, still being told that EVs are years away (maybe 2011).  It's time to stop believing auto manufacturers, and start making EVs a reality ourselves.  

Unfortunately while there are a few start-ups that claim they are mass-producing EVs, the fact of the matter is that U.S. Safety Laws and vehicle testing cost any company wishing to make a highway  compatible vehicle hundreds of millions of dollars.   There's just too few companies with that kind of capital that can afford those market entry costs.  On top of that, those companies get their parts  from manufacturers closely tied to the existing auto-industry.  

That's why the only reasonable solution, other than re-instating the EV Mandate nation-wide, is to convert existing cars to electric ourselves.  It's better for the environment anyway.

There's already conversion shops working accross the country selling conversions.  Just Google "buy used electric car" to get some websites.

There's also places that will convert your car for $10k or less.  It's these places I hope people turn to more and more.  With the bad economy, increasing gas costs, and endless foreign wars and tensions over declining oil reserves, people should be looking for an alternatives.  And if you're ready for the alternative now, don't wait.  Get an EV.

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Interesting about your NIMH conspiracy theory--it's bull. Most of the low gas use hybrids also use them. With the supposed monopoly, why would they do that?

Also, soon that will be a weak excuse, as Li-ion technology is taking over the electric vehicle market.

Finally, the reason we don't have electric cars isn't a conspiracy. It's that the energy density of a battery isn't high enough at this time to provide a sufficient range for practical usage. We're getting close, but aren't there yet.
I'm sorry but you're spreading misinformation.

Like the article said, Chevron allows small batteries. Toyota uses small NiMHs in hybrids. Those batteries are not large enough for a plug-in vehicle. To date, there has not been one plug-in that uses NiMH after Chevron bought the battery patents.

Seriously... how can you argue an oil company has the right to buy up battery patents in the first place?

Here's a summary of the history of NiMH in EVs: http://www.ev1.org/nimhsup.htm
I got the movie from Netflix and it opened my eyes. Big oil peddles the devil's excrement. They have also bought up and closed down mass transit options for decades to force American into gasoline burners. I'm looking into an all electric motorcycle. monkey fingered. upmod on reddit.
Of course an oil company has that right. In fact, an oil company has the right to buy a patent and keep it from the public. That's why patents have expiration dates. The NiMH patent is going to expire in a few years (2013, IIRC).

Also, plug-ins don't use NiMH's because Li-ions have better energy density, which is essential for a plug-in.


In terms of mass transit, outside of large cities, it is impractical cost-wise.
This is a very interesting article. I will attempt to source the documentary as I too have wondered why hybrid and all electric have been slow to enter the main car market. I am seeing some increase in recent months, such a Lamborghini. The Cheap Car Rentals
market are increasingly receiving requests for electric and or hybrid vehicles. Obviously our market is low end, and often we have older models in fleet.
anti trust prosecution?not needed I guess. I think what is needed is the revival of some old cars. The geo metro parts, a classic and elegant car during its days, should be revived.
Electric cars have a lot of advantages, but the biggest disadvantage is the most important: range. In several years the technology will make possible to travel with your electric cars hundreds of miles. They started to build hybrid cars, and this is a huge step. Now I own a Hyundai with low gas consumption bought from used cars Nashua NH, and I think the next car I will buy will be an electric car.

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