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JANUARY 31, 2009 9:10PM

So. How many registered sex offenders do YOU know? (UPDATED)

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I read Sandra Miller's post, The Path.

You should too. Go. Do it now. I'll still be here.

Yes, you could figure out where it is if you really wanted to. But I figured I shouldn't make it too easy.

Sandra's post raised a memory for me. A creepy memory. Creepier now than it felt at the time. 

The (40-something) man who lived next door to my brother and I during my last year of High School used to call me after my father died. To talk. I didn't know him. I'd never met him. (There were many trees and at least 35 feet between his property and ours.)

And then one morning, I found a book on the driver's seat of my car. I think maybe a John Grisham novel. Again, I don't remember. But he called me that night and told me he thought I'd enjoy it. So he left it there, in my open car, for me.

Brother and I lived alone that year. 

I told the guy next door to stop calling me. Thankfully, he did.


Sandra's post sent me off to do some research.

The map above is my hometown. All of it. (I blurred out the name, obviously.) Each colored square is a currently registered sex offender.

Red square = a sexual offense against children.

  • Follow the link, and you can create your own, by state or by zip or by town.
  • Click on each square and feel horror unfold.
  • Look at the mugshot,  the date of birth, the conviction record.
  • Wonder what the fuck is wrong with people.

I clicked one square to see the face of one of the "tough girls" who used to threaten to beat me up in High School. She was convicted of molesting a 15-year-old--just a couple of years ago (the site doesn't specify the gender of victims).

I clicked another to discover the face and name of a guy with whom I went all the way through elementary school.

I clicked, and I clicked, and I clicked, and I got sicker, and sicker, and sicker. Some of the conviction records list the victims as young as 7. (Correction: I found one entry in which the victim was 3.)

This number of red squares can't be normal.

This number of red squares has got to be an anomaly.

This number of red squares means I grew up in an exceptionally sick place.

Right?

That's what I'm choosing to believe.

Because I can't bear the idea of pulling up neighboring towns and looking at all of their red squares. At least not right now.

 


UPDATE

A few screenshots of the "red squares," clicked at random. Just for those commenters who seem to think this post is all about the trials of 19-year-old  guys with 16-year-old girlfriends. 

You tell yourself what you need to believe.

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I need a shower. Also, brain bleach.
I read Sandra's post and it was chilling. I'll check out that link, but this does not surprise me at all.

I had a close call w/ an ophthalmologist I had as a girl. I told. My parents believed me, but not the molester's employer. Even when another girl backed me up and said it happened to her, we were not believed.

It happened in my family, it happened in my best friend's family. Maybe it was my Irish Catholic neighborhood, but it seemed to go along with the alcohol and denial.

I hope it's better now. At least there is more awareness.
Sandra's post has inspired me to write about our priest who was convicted of child molestation. I came back to OS after shopping for groceries and find your post.

I live in a neighborhood full of children, so every couple of months I look up the registered offenders in our area. It makes my soul cry.
How faking scary is that? I'm not sure I want to drink the Koolaid map and find out...... Off to read her post.... Rated for public service.
More common than most would ever imagine. What is also common is the amount of youth sex offenders there are, that abuse and terrify other children. That is a completely unknown aspect of this sick stuff.
I have looked before, and there is always one closer than you think. I did know someone who rented to a convicted sex offender. He showed them the court transcripts, though, and other proof that he was convicted when he was 19 of having sex with a high schooler. Her father pulled some strings to get him in trouble. I don't know why I mention that.
That's fucked. Were you inan urban town with a lot of people? IE was this section apratment buildings or are these houses? If houses what is the ratio of people to these whack jobs?
jimgalt, it's NOT a big place. Population's probably around 14,o00 nowadays. I haven't checked. But that map is IT. Every street is showing.

I grew up near the blue square on the bottom right. In fact, I knew that guy. He was a few years older than me and rather menacing when I had my paper route.

I delivered to him.
From personal experience I can say the scariest is when the offender is a member of your family. Still have nightmares at 53.
I did a sex offender search in my neighborhood. Not a pretty sight. It's unsettling, isn't it, how so many women have a story to tell.

Have you read the book Little Children? (also a movie w/ Kate Winslet). While that movie, and The Woodsman (Kevin Bacon) offer some perspective on sex offenders trying to move on with their lives. The conclusion seemed to be that the circle of abuse is nearly impossible to break.
I'm sorry to tell you that your hometown is not exceptionally sick. Just normal sick. (Or, c'est normal, as the French would say.)

Most neighborhoods in small-to-medium sized towns will look like this. Try an urban area and it's a sea of red.

The scarier question is, how many sex offenders don't you know?
i'm against capital punishment on principal, but i'm not entirely convinced that letting proven sexual predators live is a good idea. maybe that makes me a reactionary or something, but they seem like a waste of oxygen to me.
So about 1 out of 500 is red. What do the green squares mean? LIke they just cross dress or something? They should get specific about this stuff. A rapist and child molester is not the same. One you have to avoid, the other children. Since there are so many kinds of fruitcakes it is good to know what kinds you are dealing with. Exhibitionists, peeping toms, ect. What is illegal in what state, town, etc. Some are just kind of weird, others very dangerous. A peeping tom is creepy, but not a total whack job. Ehibitionists, basically the same thing. You dont want them around children but actual rapists and child molestors are another story.
I haven't read Sandra's post yet but used the link you provided and it is truly, stunning. I live in a large city and it's blanket of red squares for a huge swath of it (less up where we live, which is more affluent). Chilling.
Megan's Law was about the man who raped and killed an 8 year old girl. I would have no problem executing someone like that. Hell, I would pull the switch myself without losing a wink of sleep. The only reason Im am against capital punishment now is because the courts can make mistakes. Life imprisonment should be enough.
I don't worry much about squares on a map. I'm pretty much scared of everybody. As an incest survivor, I can tell you, it is the people you think you know that you must watch the most closely. They have the most opportunity.
Serious 'stuff' and beware. There's perps out there.
Ya don't have to learn about a 'perp' from the news.
Beware.
I'm not thinking we humans need to be "paranoid"...
But, tune the inner Discern Alarm, until it's Warned.
Maybe a lady from Memphis is only friendly? O Yes.
Maybe she has a middle name:`Mae? Maybe okays?
I'm just wondering if Mae has pleasant garlic breath?
Garlic breath is Wild Mae. huh. It's a pleasant smell.
Please. Be careful. If Ya get the willies? Be so cautious.
I love the song:`Wild Willie's Mustard! Willie farmed.
Willie planted flax? Yes. Oops. Yet, wild mustard seed.
Wild Willie made sour lemon juice? No. Good mustard.
There was more wild mustard than the good flax seeds.
Wild Willie's Mustard was guaranteed. No trust Cargal.
That may be spelled wrong? Aunt Cargul is all bad pork?
A meat packer pig butcher, Cargul, is~no Maybe:`a Louse.
But, a CEO at Cargul will exploit, and a seed blight occurs?
I saying:`Learn to distrust certain people. They are creeps.
I got to get my e-mail fixed, and be discerning too, Be Safe.
A Politico don May dream he's sly, and boast of Renaissance
eras. A wealthy gourmand ? May? He be a chubby angel? huh.
O best, No go to the 5- star restaurants with creeps. Cautious.
A nudist colony? Discern? Folk walk `round naked. Mask on.
The entire life is a Masquerade Ball and They'd mug anybody.
A psychotherapist May pose as a "help" ...'um are nightmares.
(translate in the old fashion agrarian lingo?) Good Night.
Good post.
There was a known perv in our hood when I was in high school. He was never charged, or arrested, but did one day become an elected official. Actually, he is still representing a part of the city.
"Sex offender" is a broad label. Legally speaking, anyone who has peed outside is a sex offender. There are married couples where the husband is a registered sex offender because he started dating his wife at 16 and he was 19. That scenario is far more common than a serial killer lurking behind a tree. And it makes the couple's life a living hell.

I'm not minimizing the danger, I trust no one - you have no idea the level of my mistrust and what has happened to me. But hysteria breeds injustice. "Capturing the Freedmans" is a good education on mass hysteria and how it destroys lives. Everybody wants a witch to burn, someone to look down on. But seeing evil where none exists is a sin unto itself. All I'm saying is, put down your torches and have a clear eye first.
Counting yourself, or not counting yourself?
As scary as this is, seeing where registered sex offenders live, what I think is worse is that some people think if they don't live near a known offender they are safe. Hardly. The vast majority of sex offenders are not registered and will never be prosecuted. Sadly, if we really knew who was a sex offender, your map, and all maps, would have many more red dots on them.
It is amazing what you discover using that tool Our map has only 4 or 5. And it is true that the title of sex offender does not equal child molester in every instance. It's hard to know sometimes who's a "pervert" and who's just someone who got caught on the wrong side of an ambiguous situation.

One of my friends had the horrifying experience of googling her then-boyfriend and having his profile come up -- as a registered sex offender.
Someone sent me the link to the registered sex offender database and I looked it over, but ran into the problem that there are a lot of folks who I really am not worried about in there. Like, as mentioned, people who committed statutory rape when there was a minimal age difference. I found the database not useful because I really wanted to know who was out there hurting kids in a serial kind of way, but got the list of half the neighborhood. That's not helpful to me.
I thought that all but one of ours had moved from our apartment complex. We picked up three new ones, including a guy who volunteered in the office, and has been Mr. Socialite around here.

Every last one was convicted with crimes involving under aged kids.

We're an "active seniors" community, 45 and older, gated, but have more than enough grandchildren visiting almost every day.

Not once has the management notified us of these creeps. But someone put up pictures of all of them a while ago, in the mailroom. Most of us were shocked by this revelation. The management promptly took the pictures down.
Would it make sense that they are concentrated, owing to many victims growing up to be perps? If an offender is incarcerated, doubtless many people get through their lives without the attack that would have been, had the perp not been caught and taken out of circulation.
Peeing in public? That's insane. I've had cops pull over coming out of the woods on the side of the highway. Using nature is hardly a sex offense. And who the fuck said the government owns the woods? When a man can't piss on a tree in private the government has gotten too full of itself.
This is how government gets abused. On the one hand, the natural inclination for pitchforks and torches is understandable. We evolved a sense of wanting to protect the young. But when they start calling everyone a sex offender the registry becomes Orwellian. There should be established limits. Even if just pedophiles. Then rapists. Red for the first, orange for the second. Statatory rape is tricky. A 3 year difference aound the teens isnt abnormal. And actual pedophiles generally go after prepubescents by definition. Sometimes I wish we would just hang these fuckers. Child abuse is responsible for so much horror in the world. Supposedly chemical castration for life is what they use effectively in northern europe for fixated child molesters. In my view molesting a child is as bad as murdering an adult. Scratch a prostitute, murderer, lunatic or child molester and you always seem to find child abuse in their past. We have to raise the law to life imprison as a max. They are lucky we don't cut their fucking hands off for touching a child.
jimgalt, to the best of my knowledge, that map does NOT contain the priests who had questionable contact with the boys in my elementary school class.

And it's not all "19-year-olds with 17-year-old girlfriends," either. I clicked on the red boxes.

I read the convictions records.

None appeared to be "pissing in public." If you know what I mean.
in the short time i've been here, i've come to know your sharp wit and incisive humor, but this post shows another aspect of your talents--compelling writing about an important subject...rated
Creepy awful. I looked up my address and then I clicked on the links. Most of them looked like Chester the Molester, but one of them looked like a cute boy in a bar. That was scary.

But the truth is that I wasn't molested or raped by strangers. I was raped by one of my uncles and molested by another. I was also molested by a guy my mom hired to babysit me.

The fellow in the car crusing our playground at Alice Birney Elementary School, well, no one had to tell me what he was, he looked at me the way my uncles did. I ran fast and hard and I knew how to dodge through places a car could not go.
We have nothing like this in Australia. Not even a proper database of offenders. It is needed.
I feel terrible for reinforcing your paranoia, but compared to my map, yours has way more red squares. My map has zilch within a 2 mile radius of my house, and further out mostly blue squares (sexual battery) and yellow (rape) in a wide swath down the other side of 385.

Locally we don't seem to put photos with our info, none of my squares had them.

On the other hand, having worked with abused children in this area, I'm well aware that we have our share of perverts. It's just that few of them end up in court - they quietly molest their own family members and don't get arrested.

My guess is that your map represents more about your local law enforcement than your local population. Local population is probably pretty average - which means one in four female children will be sexually assaulted before the age of 18. I can't remember the latest number on guys (hasn't been studied as much) but I think it's something like 1 in 7 male children.
Re: Harry's comment.

We do have at least one on our local map who appears to be a case of consensual sex with an underage girlfriend - he's 24 now, conviction was 4 years ago, and conviction was "statutory rape."

A lot of our green dots are for prostitution.

The effectiveness of the list is lowered when it's misused.
Okay, these are the ten closest red dots to me:

1. possession of child porn
2. possession and transportation of child porn
3. touching a child
4. oral sex with a girl under age 18 (offender's age at arrest, 22)
5. duplicate of #1 (wow, that makes me confident!)
6. possession and receipt of child porn
7. duplicate of #4
8. touching of a child
9. false imprisonment of a child under 13 (that's an odd one, wonder what that means exactly)
10. child molestation

So out of 10, only 8 are actual people; 2 are wrongly updated addresses. 3 are for possession of child porn, not people I would want baby-sitting my child but not convicted for personally harming children. 1 is a young man who got a blowjob from his girlfriend. That leaves three who were convicted for actually harming children.

3 out of 10, that's not really a great testimonial.
For a while I lived right next door to a convicted child molester.
I didn't know he was until a Detective came by to talk to him
and inform me as well. He was such a nice man! (Don't they all
say that?)
There are, no doubt, many perverts and pedophiles out there. You will find the pedophiles wherever you find chidren, as teachers, coaches, day care workers and uncles. The way to prevent them from striking is to keep an eye out and to stay involved. But even this is no guarantee of safety. We learned, quite after the fact, that a Boy Scout leader we knew, who was also employed as a substitute teacher in the public schools, wasn't completely on the up and up. He is now a convicted child sex offender, though I don't know the details of his crimes. Boy Scouts of America, as much as I have problems with their politics, has relatively good procedures in place to prevent pederasty, so I think there was little chance he could have been a threat to my sons.

I don't really like this business with the map, though. Maybe it shows you some people to be afraid of (though what are you supposed to do besides look at the red squares and be afraid?), but there is no indication that the incidence of this crime is rising, only that systems to track and map the whereabouts of offenders are well-developed. But, I ask again, what are you supposed to do with this information?

Some communities have the bright idea of not allowing past offenders to live in their community at all. As if! But everyone has to live somewhere, even sex offenders. Maybe your community is entirely surrounded by zero tolerance jurisdictions herding sex offenders into your neighborhood

Me, I'm far more frightened by a society that chooses to mark people and track them, that takes people's liberty for long periods but their rights of citizenship for life. To track a sex offender for life is to say that the person's debt to society is never paid, that one can never complete one's punishment for the crime. What do we expect of this growing number of marked past offenders? Do we expect that, as convicted felons and registered sex offenders, they should find meaningful work and become contributing members of society? Do we expect that, as unemployed felons, they will simply stay inside their homes (in those communities that don't prohibit them entirely) and not interact with anyone ever again?

The whole approach makes no sense to me, and I think there are better things to be afraid of than red dots on a Google map.
I looked up mine.

If you live in Los Angeles....well....don't look. You'll plotz.
Rich...I agree with you in many ways. Really. I do.

"paying forever" is right for some of these..inherently unfair...I agree.

It's very tricky though, when it comes to pedophiles....as a "cure" is rarely found, and repeat behavior common.

It's a hard one for me..and I am a survivor, so please know I take what you say through careful and hard won thought....your point is well made.
I'm a survivor also. It's taken me forty years to not want to take a shotgun to all the doors marked with a red square on my map. Possibly I shouldn't look at mine this morning.
I read Sandra post. Thank you for posting this one to make others aware of the web site if they didn't know already. I went to web site a few years back for a friend of mine who had three little girls (mine were out the house already), we looked in total shock and sick to our stomache. The we lived in was a small country town, but still same a bunch red squares poping up everywhere.
It really stop and wonder how safe are our children in our own neighbors?
Thank you for this. Excellent post.
We have a similar web-enabled system in Miami. However, due to a 2500-foot (I believe that is accurate) in Florida*, registered sex offenders live under bridges, or, in Orlando, they live in motels and hotels that are on the road that leads to the house where the mouse lives. Just think, a bunch of pedophiles ogling at your kids in the pool: how comforting.

*Which means a registered child sex offender cannot live within 2500 feet of a school or something to this effect.
Chilling. I saw this last night, looked up my area, freaked out, logged out and sat around being upset all evening.

Because there are a LOT of little squares in my area. a LOT.

and many of the offenders live very near schools--are clustered around them in some cases, evidently living as close as they can to the school.

And if things like incest are underreported, which I can only assume that they are ... it just ... it doesn't even bear thinking about--What does it mean, so many people who do this to children? What does it mean?

I need a brain bleach as well.
And Persephone is right. I plotz'ed. LA area, jeez. Don't look. Just don't look.

As for the statutory rape ... that stuff's pretty clear when you read the record, but I agree that those, often, should not be registered as sex offenders when they were sleeping with their 17 year old girlfriend or (remember this?) running in a naked parade of people with a pumpkin over their heads through town.

Most of the offenders in my area had been charged with aggravated sexual battery of someone under 14 years. And I'm unhappy to say there were a large number of out and out rapists in those little squares. It was those little red squares, the ones with aggravated sexual battery or incest that live near the schools. If you look, you can see how they cluster themselves around a specific school and live there. It's completely chilling.
Hi VR:
Went back to my hometown, a little bigger than yours. If Ron Jackson happens into this thread, he can back up the following:

It could be that the legal system is better in S. than in other places. For example, Ron's birth place, and one similar down the road from mine, are filled with people that prostitute their children and/or have them impregnated for "the check". There are a handful of offenders noted in these areas.

Also, strange but true, is that the rural area in the middle of these two lands of abuse are more populated with offender squares than either the areas where abuse is rampant or the 10 block square town in which the rural offenders went to high school. Most of the people I saw there would have been kids of people I knew, which was also freaky.

Finally, there are 106 listed offenders in the tri-city area (pop. ~ 60,000?) where I went to high school (not my little hometown.) That map looks like yours.

All up, the number of prosecuted offenders is probably MUCH less than the actual offenses. Reading Sandra's comments thread on "The Path" reveals that most of us were victims of childhood abuse -- reported or not...
I did this when I moved to this neighborhood six years ago. I was curious because of the amount of news items that occurred in the Keys where I'd just moved from.
Apparently it's a nation wide pandemic. How can one keep their children safe from these monster?. Many are victimized by their own parents and relatives. Every other month a local teacher is accused of sexual misconduct with a student. Just recently the fucking Band teacher, for Christ's sake!
If you could zoom out on a map of the country, where ever there is a population would show up as solid read there are so many.
It's all very disturbing. Outside of castration and long prison terms, I don't have an answer for the problem.
Releasing drug offenders to make more room for these sick bastards would be a step in the right direction.
Squillo, Wakingupslowly and lalucas made my point. Not every sex offender has gone through the system. There are many who victimize on a regular basis, but haven't gotten 'caught' yet. My parents owned the house next door that they rented to a pervert. It was well known that he would stand in his bedroom window which looked out on our backyard holding his johnson in his hand and waving it back and forth for any to see. My parents knew that this was going on, but didn't report it because his wife was sick and he was her only support. I thought it was a BS reason to allow this behavior to continue despite my father having talked to him about it.

My point is that there can be victimization going on but for whatever reason, the offender is protected and not prosecuted for his/her crimes. It could be that the family is prominent and well to do and to let this get out would be a stain on their name....who knows? And incest crimes....well, good luck on getting that to reach outside the confines of their front door. This is the ideal situation for offenders....the most convenient of crimes and add the fact that the victim is probably emotionally attached and too afraid to say anything....it will never see the light of day.

What has always angered me is when the child finally gets the courage to speak up and the mother refuses to believe it. In some instances, they sacrifice the child for the sake of their relationship with the perpetrator. In those cases, they need to put her ass under the jail.
I looked up the town where I went to high school. I went to school with two of the guys. Both convicted for child porn. One is quite retarded and the other one had a vicious ex-wife who reported him for having a naked photo of his daughter. One photo. Of his little girl. I've got naked photos of myself from when I was that age. Yet the priest that molested my friend almost got off on a technicality. I'm not saying it's not a good idea to know but as usual, the letter of the law sometimes does nothing for the spirit of the law.
... mmm. When things like this are brought to daylight, to our vision, out of hiding, it makes it feel difficult to figure out what to DO with it. But the fact is, reality is not different now that you know this. The moment before you saw all the red squares, these things were all reality then, too.

Transfer this lesson on to watching the news. All bad things were there before we knew of them, right?

We are called to live in integrity. Our own integrity, our own actions and words and choices. We each have a purpose, and if we keep our eyes to that, and do not lose faith and drown in fear, we carry out what we can in our own circle.

Maybe you find your circle will have something to do with the red squares. But if not, do not waste your heart and your energy.

OK, maybe this whole comment is me talking to myself. (Bad habit of mine.)

--Although it is the custom here to respond to comments on our own posts, I like it better as it is on my other journaling site; you come to the commenter's blog to say thank you. (Here, responding on our own posts has the dual purpose of bumping ourselves back into the feed--not an insignificant fact!)

So, thank you, VR, for reading my rambly post the other day. Learning lesson for me, yep, as it probably was during your three years! Three years, man!!!

Thanks for sharing yourself here. Lots of wisdom and heart you give to us.
I'm very skeptical about sites like this. How current and accurate are these red squares. All the stranger danger has entrapped many innocent people. Accidentally leave a porno mag on your coffee table and your niece/nephew sees it. Instant 'enticement' charge. Pee in front of someone - indecent exposure. "She was in a bar so I assumed she was over 21." - statuary rape.

In a puritanical society like ours, anyone can become a sex offender anytime, anyplace.
It does make you think.

I see several red squares in my rural neighborhood. And none of them are the man living in a van in my neighbor's driveway. Everything in me says he is one to avoid.

It raises so much "mother bear" in me. And ambivalence. And caution.
Thanks for the comments, all.

I'll be inserting three random screenshots for those who seem to think we're all just one angry dad away from being labeled child molesters. I beg to differ.
Great discussion. Two points:
In my neighborhood growing up was this friendly guy who built ships in bottles. He had some of them on his front porch on summer days and I remember him urging me and my two girlfriends (we must have been about 7) to come inside to see more. However, my mother had seared not going into stranger's houses into my brain and I always refused. Years later, one of the girls told me he was making child pornography and she had posed for him.

Secondly, I worked in a prison for a few yrs as a counselor and one of my duties was to screen inmates to see if they wanted to have sex offender treatment. So I interviewed hundreds of sex offenders. Some of them were the 19 year old guy who slept with his 17 yo girlfriend and someone got mad. The most startling thing to me was the fact that parole violators, who came into the prison for 30 days after a violation then out again, were often sex offenders who couldn't find a place to live. No one would rent to them. So their parole officer would tell them to live in a national park or by a freeway offramp. One of them had been violated after his parole officer visited him in the local national park and found in his tent a collection of little shoes he'd apparently been stealing from family campsites.

I know how intimidating all those red squares can be, but you know where they are. Did you ever think they might be living in the campsite next to you when you're on vacation?
This is a provocative post, VR, and I think the commenters have pretty much said it all. The problem is in the wide range of what constitutes a sexual offense. Until we get that clear and get out consensual sex between, say, a 16 year old girl and her 18 year old boyfriend (I was in high school during the 70s for goodness sake) then there will be too many people lumped in with true sexual perverts. Also, peeing (exposing oneself) in public is different from taking out your willie and waving it at someone. OTOH I certainly don't want my teenaged daughter to have to go through anything like what I and my sister went through when we were girls. Let's leave it at that for now.
Harry Homeless is correct. I myself was almost one because I had sex when I was 16. Her parent's pressed charges against me and I was arrested. The thing that saved my young butt, (the judge told me) was the fact my girlfriend was 9 months older than me. Had this not been true I would have been labled a sex offender, which I was not and am not.

Justice is indeed blind to lump everybody into the same nasty pile.
You get very different info from what I get when I click on squares in my area... must be a difference in reporting. I don't get pictures, my typefont and layout is completely different, and the age things are almost always blank.

I do think it's interesting that you have so many red squares and so few others. In my area it's like 50% blue, 25% yellow, and the rest divided between the remaining colors.

Anyway, "tell yourself what you need to believe" was needlessly hostile. As you can see from the detailed list I provided, there really are people who were put on that list by angry fathers. I didn't make that information up. Those people exist. That doesn't mean that all people on the list are innocent, but it does mean that it's a highly inconsistent list.
Allie, I've simply concluded that indeed, the place I grew up really IS full of more and nastier perverts than other places. (Of course, I'd already reached that conclusion when I laid rubber on the way out of town 22 years ago.)
Verb, that does seem full. Where I live is only 5K^pop. your town, but when I looked, there were only two.

I've always thought that there should be special places where people who think of harming children could just walk in and request an immediate and painless death, no questions asked.
Why not provide 13-, 14-, and 15-year old sex workers so those guys up there (aged 31 to 49 at the time of the offense) can just get their jollies legally?

I could pull more profiles. Including the one with the 7-year-old.
Don't make me.

This post is not--was never--about 18-year-olds who are ensnared in a legal nightmare because of their girlfriend's pissed off daddy. I know that happens, and I would welcome reading a few thoughtful posts about that situation.

This post is about real sexual abuse of children by adults in the place I grew up. And some of the comments implying that sex offender registries are pretty much just a list of a bunch of high school hanky-panky gone wrong?

I could fill up another two feet of screenspace with evidence to the contrary. At least in that place.
I checked out the link and it is frightening. I agree with Verbal Remedy... I need a shower.

Rated
Look, there are a lot of sick fucks in the world. A lot. There are also a lot of people who do things that I don't personally either approve of or understand--some of which are, apparently, legal. And then there are people who get accused of things and are innocent of them. And their lives are ruined. And then there are people, probably more of them, who do things to people, young girls and boys, who are never reported, never accused, never convicted. People who have had things done to them are, naturally, furious about that.

This is a tough and terrible issue. Emotions run rampant.

If we had a clean and truly just justice system things would work better. If people were not afraid to report things.... If people would not let hysterics get the best of them.... But none of those things are true.

On the other hand, if all people were good and kind and decent. . .

Should we register sex offenders? Absolutely. Should we make sure that registered sex offenders are of a certain type. ie., convicted of true sex crimes? I think so. How do we do that? I am not so sure. Not until we change our laws.

This is very sticky business; these are very thorny issues. They can be discussed and discussed by us to death but we may wind up only making each other angry. So far, we have all tried to remain fairly civil. I guess that s the best we can do at this point.

I have had a very close personal (although not direct to me) encounter with this so I DO know the difference, believe me. And I know the fear and shame inherent.
Thanks, my fear of testosterone has been topped off now :/
Thank you Verbal Remedy. Rated.

Sometimes people think that I overprotect my children, but I choose to protect them as long as it is in my power. Just recently two tenth graders were attacked in the public transportation on their way to/from school. These attacks (with knives) were just a question of stealing cell phones, but a couple of years ago, a man was caught trying to pull a first grader into his car when she was waiting for the bus right in front of the primary school. Let the parents protect and the young keep their innocence until they are ready to give it up!
Last summer I worked with a man who was trying to get a divorce from his wife and supervised visitation for their five kids because she didn't see the problem that her sex offender boyfriend was around them. Yes, he was granted supervised visitation. Boyfriend's nickname? Giggles.
Verbal , I think you need to kill this witchhunt
same comment I left on Sandra's post... it is worse when it's your family. For me it was the guy my grandmother married after my grandfather died. I can attest to how hard it is to tell... even though you want it to stop.

Brain bleach, indeed.
Gee, Verbal, The last time I checked my town of about 50K, we only had a few listed.
scum...
In my neighborhood, there are no sex offenders...because... we have no schools in the area.

561 offenders + 244 non-mappable offenders for my square of San Jose, CA. They dump all the sex offenders a block away from the university and a grade school - how clever is that. In that area, there are over 1200 sex offenders.
This is heartbreaking. And scary. Makes me think about the night my 5 year old (yes thats right, she was 5) was assaulted. I knew something was wrong that night but I didnt learn what until 15 years later. The perp still lived in the same place and does to this day, yet the house is not marked as an offender. So you have to think, these colored boxes ONLY represent those people who have been caught and convicted.
Maybe there's something in the water?

What is it about those photos that just scream trouble? The creepy just radiates from them. Brain bleach indeed!
I'm sorry to say I do this all the time. And to think there's so many out there who do not register.
In our small town I was SHOCKED as to who all was on the registry. It made my skin crawl but at least I knew.
Oh, I don't mean to belittle the problem, because I'm not but when I was a case manager for a mental health center we used to scroll through the pictures all together and make heinous fun of the men and the occasional woman. It was harmless fun... who else but a child molester deserves to be made fun of???? It was also information that sadly we needed to have to do our jobs.
It does seem like who's on the list is determined a great deal by where you live and what the police enforcement is like there.

While we're talking about registered sex offenders, I know of one in Memphis who is seven. He put his hand down a little girl's pants, and now he is on the sex offenders list - forever. At one point there was an outcry in the papers about it, but I'm not sure if the situation was resolved.

These are creepy looking guys, aren't they? One of my hobbies is using face blending software to create prototype faces - the average Bollywood actress, for example. I think I'm going to make an average pervert and see if there are any distinctive features.

For all the moms out there - I'm glad you're protecting your children from strangers. But please please be aware that 90% of sexually abused children were not molested by a stranger, but by someone they know, most often their own father, but also grandfather, mom's boyfriend, uncle, teacher. The guy in the car is dangerous but your child is far more likely to be hurt by the guy in your living room. The most important thing you can do to protect your child is listen and pay attention and cultivate trust. It only takes one time of Mom flipping out when a child tells her something important to lose a child's trust.
We live in a very tiny town. The population of the local high school outnumbers the population of the entire town. We think this is a safe place for our 14 y.o. daughter to walk to the youth center or the local market.

I clicked on the map and there are 4 offenders withing 5 miles of us and dozens upon dozens in the "twin-cities" of Centralia-Chehalis, with a combined population of maybe 30,000.

Who knew the problem had reached these proportions?
PS. None of the 4 in my area were public urination offenders. 1 sexual misconduct with a child and 3 child rape convictions.

And they all look like those guys above.
You mean besides clients? I don't work with perpetrators of any kind. On occasion I get a client who doesn't disclose being a sex offender or domestic violence offender up front, but when I find out, I refer them; and I had several youthful sex offenders in foster care, but generally when it's a youth, say 15 and under, offending, it's reacting to their own abuse history.

I checked my hometown of 6000 people--not a single registered sex offender of any stripe. Now, if they could map ACCUSED instead of CONVICTED offenders, I know there'd be several, because my old elementary school/church has had a long-running scandal involving several teachers who molested kids for decades, including several very expensive law suits.

Where I live now, there are 5 registered offenders within a 6-mile radius of my house. None of them are close, and none of them are reported to have offended against children. Scroll the map over into town, and the density is higher, but they still aren't showing any red squares. Across the river in Vancouver WA, though, is a whole different story--lots of red squares there.

Again, if it was ACCUSED offenders...it'd be a whole 'nuther story.
I don't know whether to laugh maniacally or weep uncontrollably.

I check my current town - within a 30 mile radius there is one single square. That's all.

I check the city where I grew up, my old neighborhood - I can't see the streets for all the red and green squares.

Jesus.

In Vermont, the state police typically notify area residents when a known sex offender is moving into the area. The people have a right to know. I don't believe in generally continuing to punish a convicted criminal after they have served their time - but when it comes to sexual assault, especially pedophilia, I think it is infinitely more prudent to keep a close eye on these folks - the recidivism rate is too high, and I don't want any of the kids in my neighborhood to become another statistic.

Thumbed. Jeez.
You know, this has been bugging me. Stumbled onto BBE's post yesterday, http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=98372, and got that familiar sadness mixed with anger mixed with resignation.

How can we, on the one hand, get ourselves all righteous about the content of your post, VR, and then, just silently go along with a picture of gratuitous nudity, on post linked above, that looks just like I looked at age 12... and pretend it is normal, or pretend we don't see it. It is crazy-making. The picture on BBE's post is not unusal in our society. So we live with outrage and acceptance of the exact same thing in our minds.

I leave with the same conclusion I came to in my last post: It makes me angry, and I don't know what to do with that anger.
So many of them! So many. This is frightening and thank you for pointing this out. And as Hadrian comments here, it's even more terrifying when the molester is in your family, or a worker who's invited into your home. Have experienced both. Verbal, you have once again provided an incredible service to us.
Thank you for this. I looked up where I grew up and actually knew some of the people. I also looked up where I currently live.
Some of Jess, it's shocking to open a little red dot and see somebody you once knew, isn't it? [shiver]

Sam, I can't quite get to the point where "gratuitous nudity" correlates with child molestation or real statutory rape. I get what you're saying, though. We ARE bombarded with sexualized images of girls (not so much boys)--really, does anybody think Britney Spears wouldn't be the trainwreck she is today if she hadn't spent her entire childhood tarted up like a cheap hooker?

But the "red box" guys in my hometown up there don't appear to be the type who've been prodded into perv-dom by pop culture.

They pretty much scream "Born Deviant."

I'm going with the "something in the water" hypothesis, I guess.
I looked this up too last year. I was also surprised at how many were in my rural area which is relatively unpopulated. Most of them were like those you pictured---older man and female teenager. I'm glad I didn't recognize anyone. Hopefully, parents are warning their kids.
This is creepy. I swear I saw that first guy (in pix you added) when I did the search of either the town I grew up in or where I live now. And this is on the West Coast. I'm sure some of these guys move around, but still...I hope I'm wrong.
The stats I have heard say either 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 women is sexually assaulted in her lifetime. These maps seem to bear that out, as does my personal experience.
Just tell me that underneath that nasty skull o' yours, BBE, you look nothing like one of Those Guys Up There.

In fact, tell me you look like Julian Sands.

I needs me some illusions...
Scarey shit. Period. The Area I live in has become a "dumping" ground for sex offenders and I thought my little neighborhood was "okay" until Dh and I went to the ML website. Sick, sick, sick!
Just in the major streets around our neighborhood, there are 200 offenders. CREEPY!

Also, we learned that the guy that left us that "note" is doing BIG time now, apparently not only was he filming and photographing adults, but teen girls as well. WTF?

What is wrong with these people?
buddyholly, please do not put words in my mouth. I don't know how you read what I wrote and came to that conclusion, but for the record: I said IF accused offenders were listed, there would be a lot more squares. I didn't say I *wanted* them listed, nor would it be for my--what did you say--salivation? What the hell does that even mean? I am speaking in facts. I know of several men in my home town who have admitted to long-term sexual abuse of multiple children but weren't charged because the statute of limitations had expired; they were still successfully sued for restitution, along with the church/school that allowed it to go on for so long. As for where I live now, read my profile. I'm a therapist. I specialize in people with trauma, usually child abuse of one stripe or another. And I know for a fact that there are repeat sex offenders with multiple victims in this area who are not on the map--because they have never been caught, or the adult the child told didn't believe them, or the DA didn't feel the case was winnable.

In some states you can have your record expunged of a statutory rape charge, assuming you've had no additional reported offenses. I had a client last year who finally got his record expunged, about 15 years after he was convicted. However, in listening to his version of events, I don't think it was a clear-cut stat rape case; he himself stated that he may have been "kinda forceful" and she may have "kinda protested a little."

As for the use of these maps, well, I'm all for them. What good are they? If you're a parent of a small child, you might learn that you shouldn't allow your child to walk down a certain block alone, because there's a repeat child sex abuser living there. You may learn what the local pervs look like, so if one shows up at the playground in your apartment building, or starts chatting up your kid at the store, you might be more likely to recognize the threat.

The squares themselves only tell you the general type of conviction: Rape, Child Sexual Abuse, Sexual Battery, and Other (most likely charges like prostitution, being a john, indecent exposure, etc). The part that's useful is that you can click on the square and find out--is the guy who lives 2 doors from me who's listed as a rapist someone I need to be afraid of? You'll get very different feelings if you click and find out he was convicted of stat rape for being 2 years old than his girlfriend, than if you find he has multiple convictions over several years, or that he was charged with a laundry list of crimes for each conviction. Same with child offenders--stat rape? Generally a 5 or more year difference (in some states it's three) will result in a state rape charge even if the offender isn't over 18 (think about a 17 y.o. having sex with a 12 y.o.--that IS stat rape even though he's not legally an adult), so looking at their ages can again make a huge difference in how concerned you need to be for your kids.

Flashers and peepers, by the way, often escalate. This is not just something they use to advance the plot in crime shows, it's a well-documented truth. So even those relatively "victimless" crimes can often indicate someone that needs watching.

As I said, I work with victims. Some of these guys may have gotten screwed by the system, but the majority of them are on there for a damn good reason. I have zero sympathy for an adult sexually abusing a child--and I mean anyone under 16. I have less-than-zero sympathy for a repeat offender/predator. Again, study after study has shown that these types of offenders ARE NOT CUREABLE and will always be a threat to their target type.
VR, sorry for blog-jacking. This is a topic that gets me a bit stirred up, as you may have noticed. :)
Blogjack away, merwoman. You're doing a better job than me. I'm just sitting here boggling that anybody could really be on the side of "protecting privacy" when it comes to these guys, even in the abstract.

I tend to be a big fan of "Judge-Not, Reasonable-Doubt, Innocent-Until-Proven-Guilty, Death-Penalty-Is-Too-Permanent" type arguments...for just about anything else.

But violation of children?

Yeah, call me Judgy McJudgerson and yell "Gotcha."

I will echo a PM from one of my friends who grew up with me there:

"I'm surprised these guys are still around to be showing up as red squares. If they did anything to MY boys, they wouldn't be. Of course, I'd be in jail...but..."