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MARCH 25, 2009 6:02PM

You'll Change Your Mind

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Note: I was working on this post, prompted by Scoubido's reminiscence on the Spirograph, when I noticed that Mad Typist has also posted a Childfree Manifesto of sorts today. GMTA on OS, I suppose! 

Baby Alive, 1970s version 

Everybody Wants Kids.

Baby Alive, soft and sweet...she can drink, she can eat/New Baby Alive, beautiful face, dressed in pink and pretty lace.

As a five-year-old, I was a sucker for a good jingle.  And so, for Christmas 1973, I asked for a Baby Alive.  

The commercials seemed so cool. Even though I wasn't really into dolls, this one promised to be FUN! She ate and drank and...pooped!? Oh, man! This would be great!  I had to have one!


It's Different When They're Your Own.

On Christmas eve, younger brother got Hot Wheels and a racetrack to put them on (you could build loopty-loops with the flexible track!), and I got Baby Alive.

Dad removed the lumbar area of her back (introducing a pre-Terminator cyborg-creepiness factor), shoved her batteries in, and handed her to me. Mom went to the kitchen to fill up a little two-ounce plastic bottle with water. I pressed the bottle down on her lower lip.

Whrrrrrr-whrrrrr-whrrrrr-whrrrrr-whrrrrr-whrrrr.

The doll's jaw moved up and down as the gears inside her soft plastic face made a mechanical motion. That was it. Up and down. Up and down. Up and down. This doll wasn't "drinking." It was just laying there, making that sound. Whrrrrr-whrrrrr-whrrrr. 

I squeezed the bottle HARD to get liquid into her. Then, over the next minute or so, a few drops of water dribbled out onto the doll's diaper. 

Whatever.

OK, let's try feeding her, said Mom. The "food" came in a white envelope--dehydrated scented powder that you mixed with water and stirred into a gelatinous gooey paste with Baby Alive's spoon. The first "flavor" we tried was banana. It smelled disgusting.

I held my nose, gooped some banana sludge onto the tiny little spoon, and pressed down on Baby Alive's lip. Whrrrrr-whrrrrr-whrrrr. 

The sludge was not going anywhere. It was not disappearing into Baby Alive's mouth. She wasn't "eating." No, the "food" was merely smearing stickily all over the doll's face. I laid the doll on its back and started forcibly shoving scented sludge into the doll's mouth. Whrrrrr-whrrrrr-whrrrr. 

Ten minutes later, I'd forced perhaps a whole tablespoon of goo into the doll. I turned her upright.

I spent the next 30 minutes checking her diaper.

Nothing. The doll wasn't poo-ing. It was just...there.

What a ripoff.


What if YOUR Mother had Felt That Way?

A few days later, I started trying to dislodge the dried sludge from the doll. I did this by grabbing her by her feet and banging her forcefully on the floor, headfirst, hoping the dried plug of goop would shake loose. (I've since read online that others who had the same doll were traumatized when their brave dads used straightened coat hangers to try to give the doll a rather brutal form of stomach-pump/enema.)

Looking back, Baby Alive was my first clue that babies and children wouldn't loom large in my life.


You Were A Child Once Too, You Know. 

I knew as early as anybody reasonably can that I didn't want children. I didn't like them. I didn't get them. I didn't understand them. I didn't go all gooey around babies or children younger than myself.

Noisy little things annoyed me. Poopy-diapered little things disgusted me. Crawling little things sticking random objects in their mouths grossed me out. Snotty, sticky-handed little things made me want to get as far away from them as possible. 

Mom tells me I first announced that I was never going to be a Mommy sometime in first or second grade. The pronouncement was made during Card Club (a monthly gathering of ladies) one month when she was hosting. All of the ladies, including my mom, laughed at me. (I remember that distinctly.)

When my friends started babysitting, I did too. Only they liked it, and I hated it. I had only one "customer"--a mom who lived three houses down from my Aunt Lizzie, and just kittycorner from one of the Card Club Moms. My "customer" had a first-grader, a toddler, and an infant. (I was probably in sixth grade.) I watched the kids for just an hour or two after school, walking home with the oldest.

Changing that infant's diaper for the first time as he screamed and wriggled and pissed in my face remains one of the nastiest memories of my childhood. 

I knew it then. I was never going to be  a Mommy.

"You'll change your mind," all the grown-ups said. I was insulted.


You've GOT to Have Kids. Life's Empty Without Them. The Most Important Thing You'll EVER Do Is Have Children.

I was so faithful about birth control throughout my teens and early twenties, one might accurately label it a neurosis. Nothing--not even death--terrified me as much as the thought of accidental pregnancy. (There were plenty of good reasons for this.)

The Today Sponge (slimy and disgusting as it was) featured large in my (carefully planned) loss of virginity.  

 today_spongea_f

After that came the first trip to Planned Parenthood. I told the doctor I wanted tubal ligation.

"We don't do that on women your age."

"What? Why not?"

"Because you'll change your mind. It's a procedure that's very hard to reverse."

"Uhm. Irreversibility is a selling point. I do not want children. I do not like children. I want to be infertile."

"You're too young to make that kind of decision."

[silent disbelief]

"Uhm. OK. So...just hypothetically speaking, then...when will I be old enough to make that decision?"

"We won't do tubal ligation on a woman who hasn't had children."

"I don't want children."

"Here's a prescription for The Pill."

"How about an IUD?"

"An IUD is not appropriate for a woman your age who hasn't had children yet. There is a slight but real chance of complications that could cause sterility."

[It was at this point that I was tempted to bang my head against the nearest hard surface and scream until everybody around me went deaf.]

"What part of 'permanent sterility would be a blessing' do you not get, Doctor?"

But no. The fact was, I was a female who possessed the biological potential to breed, and no medical professional was willing to believe that I meant what I said. That I did not want children. Ever. That a young woman, in full possession of her faculties, could not possibly know that she did not want to breed.

"You'll change your mind" trumped "No, I won't," every time. I may as well have been six years old, for all the control I really had over my medical choices.

So I took the fucking pills. For four years, I took The Pill. In the first three months, I blew up like a poisonous Japanese delicacy. I sprouted a whole new crop of zits. My breasts grew and ached. My migraines went from excruciating to debilitating. But I took the fucking pills.


What Are You, Selfish?  

I made it a point to inform all my serious romantic partners through the years that I would not be having or raising children. A couple hauled out, "You might change your mind," or "We'll see," or "You can't possibly know what you want in the long-term at this point in life." One boyfriend proposed to me and told me we'd "work out" the kids thing later. Those guys became exes.

Once I got married to DH1, I wanted to go off the pill once and for all. One last time, I went to an OB/GYN and requested information about a tubal ligation.

"How does your husband feel about this?" (What, like he's going to tie me up and impregnate me against my will if he doesn't agree?)

"He's as adamant as I am about not having kids." (That's one of the many, many reasons I married him, lady.)

"Well. He should get a vasectomy, then. They're easily reversed." (Because, of course, obviously, you'll change your mind and want children someday.)

Long story short...he got the vasectomy. Walked in, asked for the procedure, got scheduled, went back the next week, got it taken care of. The clinic that did the procedure didn't even ask him once, "are you sure?" No arguments, no questions, no pat-pat-pat-on-the-head oh-you-can't-possibly-know-what-you-want.

I seethed about that for...years.
Who's Going To Take Care Of You When You're Old?

An uncle of mine owes me $2,000. Plus 20 years' interest. He was so smugly certain that I would one day become a baby factory, we laid money on it.

Now that it's become clear he lost--now that I am 41, with eggs well past their "sell-by" date and an ablated uterus that's as inhospitable to implantation as the surface of Mars----he refuses to acknowledge it was ever a serious wager. It's become a running joke.

"It's not too late, you know," he says, smirking over his cabernet. "You could still change your mind."

That's my cue to roll my eyes and fix him with a withering stare.

"You could still decide to adopt!"

He laughs when I tell him to go fuck himself. It's part of our two-decade ritual.


Just Wait Until Your Biological Clock Starts Ticking

I've heard that in the past few years, the reproductive medical profession has become slightly less paternalistic and afraid of litigation by Those Poor Little Womenthings Who Got Sterilized And Then Came Back And Sued. (I'd actually like to know how often that's really happened--it strikes me as about as likely as albino alligators in the sewers, but every condescending doc who told me I had no idea what I really wanted assured me they were legion.)

I hear physicians are more open today to the idea that a young woman, naturally "blessed" with fertility, might like to have that particular time-bomb defused, permanently. That a young woman is capable of having, and exercising, free will and sound judgment in re: her internal girly bits. That a young woman is as entitled to a fertility-quashing procedure as a young man of the same age.

I'm glad to hear it.  

I never changed my mind. Never felt an inkling of biological tick-tock.  Never developed any more maternal instinct than I had at five, bashing a disappointing baby doll's head on the floor.  


Just for the record: If you're a parent, that's fantastic. Shakespeare once said, in a slightly different context, "The world must be peopled!" and I'm glad you're doing it. I hope you're enjoying it. I'm relieved beyond words to live in an era in which I can avoid it. 

Should you ever be tempted to ask a young couple when they're going to "start trying"--don't. It's just plain rude. It would be rather like me asking you, "So, when do you plan to start experimenting with butt-plugs?" Nosy. Intrusive. Inherently in poor taste.

There are all sorts of ways for that question to backfire, from painful struggles with infertility to genetic contraindications to dedicated and enthusiastic child-avoidance. It's really time for us to stop assuming that child-bearing is a given. 

But if you do ask, and you hear back, "I don't want children," that is not an occasion for argument, contradiction, or condescension. It's a declaration of personal choice, no more open to debate or persuasion than "I don't like coconut," or "I don't care for dogs," or "I don't want to live in North Dakota."

Thus endeth the Baby-Alive-triggered rant.

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The first person to say I don't know what I'm missing gets boffed in the head.

Fair warning.

;-)
ummmmmm... LOL ~

Never see the sponge that I don't think of "sponge-worthy" ...

Oh and Baby Alive ... yhea, I had that ...
Do you remember that movie about the little tiki doll thing that came to life. It killed the lady with a pizza cutter ...
Well, I remember watching that back in the 70's and my dad pushed Baby Alive's chin and she started jawing and he but her right up behind my brother's ear and the dropped her ... he went BAT SHIT!!! It was hilarious ... we still tease him!
Tiki-killer-pizza doll rings no bells, 1AM. But tease your brother for me, OK?

Lord, I hated that doll.

I just became an Insta-Aunt to a 6-year old a few months back (long story and I'd need permission to blog super-publicly about it). That's ideal. Just the right age for me to start being able to really be able to connect with a kid. Much younger and I'll blink a lot and try to figure out what in the heck they're saying and give up after a few minutes. (Right, Pretend Farmer?)
I had a very heavy baby doll when I was five.
It was filled with something resembling Karo syrup.
I know this because I stabbed her repeatedly and sucked it all out.

(thumbified for the right to nonparent)
North Dakota is a well hidden oasis...and let's keep it that way.
This is funny VR. And ironic that a man can get a vasectomy and a lollipop with no questions asked, yet a woman is assumed to be out of her mind when requesting a "procedure".
But help me out here, and I didn't google it but isn't a tubal ligation when the female egg becomes fertilized and then attaches inside the fallopian tube?
No, trig, that's a tubal pregnancy. A tubal ligation is when the nice doctor puffs up your belly with gas, chops into it, pulls out your fallopian tubes, snipps out nice long sections of each, and thus renders the road from the ovary to the uterus a Dead End. :-)
now we know what happened to Jodi ... it all finally makes sense
It sounds like you are serious. Just kidding, I completely respect and admire you for sticking with it.

Some of us weren't cut out to have children, I know, I am one. Oh I have one, and I do love him dearly. He's a little bit older than you are, and not a grandchild in sight. Thankfully I won't have to pretend to like being a grandmother.

The baby doll of my generation was called, Betsy Wetsy. Charming.

A very well written piece. Will rate.
Your Baby Alive story had me in stitches! I fell for Thumbelina. Growing up I was told my options were a nunnery or marriage and children, I chose the latter, though now that nunnery in Italy is lookin' mighty fine!

If you lived in Europe, this non-baby thing would not be much of an issue. They are over populated already and recognize that! I can understand why the vasectomy thing really pissed you off! But, on the other hand, isn't spontaneous sex great?
Jodi, I think Stretch Armstrong was also filled with that toxic ooze! (And BWAH at 1IM's conclusion that that explains everything...)

I remember Betsy Wetsy well, Buffy. My grandmother had one.

My mother loves babies. But ONLY babies. Between the two of us, we'd probably be able to effectively raise a child all the way. She loves the helpless, preverbal, pre-reason ages, and I prefer a kid I can communicate with. Suffice it to say, she really isn't all that disappointed not to be a grandmother. And my grandmother has two lovely great-grand-grandbabies by my younger cousin, so she wasn't deprived, either.
my apologies VR of course you are right. I'm glad to not be an expert on these things....yuckie
I had a Baby Alive too-- and had the same problem! That food goop was pretty terrible...

Rated for goopy food that never came out as promised.
Verbal, you go girl!

(Sorry you had to endure the "you'll change your mind" nonsense when it came to scheduling a tubal ligation. I had it done when I was 32, no difficulty at all. I think the fact that my surgeon was female helped a lot. She said, "So, you don't want kids?" And I said, "Nope," and she said, "Okay, we can schedule it for next Wednesday." Hurray!)
I had some kind of doll like that - can't remember the name. Worked about as well as yours did. My mom kept getting mad because someone (dad) wasn't raking up the dog poop and said she was going to get rid of the dog. I grabbed that doll and set it on a pile of poop and later showed her. "See, it wasn't the dog - it was the doll.
VR YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE MISSING!.....
OW, OUCH, stop that!

LOL - I felt like you did for a full eleven years of my marriage. But I never would have done the permanent snip snip thing, because I'm just by nature too aware of how things change and always want to keep as many options open as possible. But as it turns out, I guess I'm one of those who changed her mind.

Never regretted it, but fully honor those who don't change their minds.
Oh yes, very much offensive to hear the "so when are you having kids?" question. Spousal Unit and I have been together for 6 years, married for almost 2, and get THAT question from everyone. When we're out with his parents, his mother will pointedly stop to admire babies, or young families, or grandmothers with grandchildren, and sigh dramatically. The first time I met one of SU's aunts, the very first question she asked was THAT one.

God, I hate my mother-in-law. And that aunt.
Way to be, especially on the "when are you going to start trying" bit. I'm still enduring the "when are you guys going to get married" question from friends - and now that they're starting to squirt out kids, I shudder to think that sentence added.
What is GMTA? I knew at 16 I didnt want kids, no big drama, just one day, it just came to me that I did not want and was never going to have children. I really love them but never ever wanted them, i am 45 now and still don't want them. In the docs defense it wasnt about you it was about the fact that a great percentage of women change their mind (i read it somewhere but cant verify it right now).
Rated for knowing your mind.
You don't know what you're missing -- and neither do most parents. I guarantee you, if the second ten years of childhood came before the first ten years, there would be no second child. Ever. Still I can't imagine a world without my son.
You could start countering with the Butt Plug question, Ash. :-D

Or, assume a stricken facial expression, look to you husband, clutch his hand, and say very softly...."We don't like to talk about it." (It's critical that husband plays along, appearing to be concerned and comforting. Ex-H and I occasionally did that at parties when asked That Question by people who didn't even frakking KNOW us.)

To the corner with you, Feathered Thing. [cuff! cuff! boff!] But seriously, see, the fact that you were self-aware enough to know you shouldn't do the permanent snip-snip? Speaks volumes that there are many gradations on the "don't want kids/don't think I want kids/don't know if I want kids" scale, and those of us willing to request the DRASTIC option do, in fact, really want it.

Eh. I'm just happy to finally be beyond it all. Except, of course, for Uncle. Who WILL Pay One Day. Oh, yes he will.
This is a superb post, Verbal Remedy.
My daughter's several years younger than you, childless, not married (as if that mattered!), has killer cramps every month and has asked for a hysterectomy. Radical, I know. But, damn, if I had cramps like hers and suffered every month like she did and knew I was never going to use the equipment for what it is intended, I'd want it cut out too. So far, no doctor has agreed. And I'm not a baby person. I wouldn't be sad for even one day if she didn't pop out a bunch of grandkids. And I don't babysit. :) Women should have domain over their own bodies.
It takes a very, very, very smart person to realize they are not cut out to be a parent. I salute you for doing what's right for you.

Better to have someone decide not to parent, than to become a poor parent. You don't need to justify it. You just know!

As for every one else, just f$ck 'em. Rated.
See, Sheepy, that's what I thought? But it's really genuinely not easy avoiding conception for years and years on end without surgical intervention. I'm glad to know it's getting easier, but still.

Julie D., your daughter's a case in point. I have a dear friend who had the same problem and only surgery finally helped. The cruel irony was that she desperately wanted to be a mom. I felt guilty to have a fully healthy, functional set of reproductive organs when she was willing to go through so much agony every month, trying and trying. It was awful. :-( Tell your daughter to keep calling around. Call out of state if need be. Somebody, somewhere will be willing to help her.
Yes, I think I might start countering with the butt-plug question. More polite that my usual reply; I just smile sweetly and say, "None of your damned business, dearie."

For some reason that offends people.
I am just butting in here... baby dolls are a lot easier than the ones that at nine months decide to take off their own diaper and smear... well you know.. all over themselves, the crib, the wall.... (needless to say, she never did it again.)I was like: OH MY GOSH why did I do this? I love her but...
She is nineteen and I am still wondering: WHY DID I DO THIS?
They are enough to make you scream.
I love everyone whether they reproduce or not.
You are right about doctors and men. I got snipped after two kids. He explained the difficulty of reversing a vasectomy, but no big deal. I wanted it, I got it. Sorry you weren't treated with the same respect. Great post.
rated for tubal ligation!!! but since god hates me some days, two years after that i had to have a hysterectomy for the fibroids that ate santa barbara. very funny. thank you. lov elove love
I now have a strong feeling that Baby Alive was part of a Fabian Socialist plot to begin whittling down the global birth rate. From what you have described, I would have been repulsed as well. Frankly--this could be another weblog for any of us--baby dolls have always given me the shivers. I was staying with a friend once who had a "country" decor, down to a small rocker and a baby doll seated within. This was in the guestroom. Now there is only one thing worse than an empty rocker (all of you, your copies of Stith Thompson to hand, "Rocking Chair Rocks with No One in It") and that is a rocking chair with a staring baby doll in it. I ended up throwing my coat over it sometime in the post-midnight, just like the little Freeling boy in Poltergeist--except I was 35.
And I see you too were ambivalent about Spirograph. Loved post~
Nice, Verbal. I especially liked your mentioning that there are as many reasons for not having kids as there are for having kids, and (of course) the former reasons aren't all tragic.
I had the same jackass response about tubal ligation that you did. Ticked me off to no end.

Loved the butt plug response. Works in so many situations!
Bravo! I never wanted children either, but I never had the snip. I've always been too paranoid about hospitals to enter one unless it's absolutely necessary. I have a friend who went through a similar experience to you. She kept getting the same BS line from docs, and some of the female ones were the worst. She finally got it done in her early 30s but it was a struggle.
Bravo! Good for you. I don't remember if you read my story about becoming a mother, but so much of this resonated with me I wanted to join you immediately in bashing Baby-Alive's brains out.

And guess what? The next person (in a cast of freakin Millions) who asks me, "You have ONLY ONE child?" is getting boffed in the head!
I will not say you do not know what you are missing.

I had a brother 10 years my junior and a brother 14 years my junior. For that reason I did not have my first child until age 31. I was no fool -- kids are a lot of work. Also I never found someone I trusted/loved enough to procreate with until I was 30 and I had some worries about him ;0). It is not like I wanted to decide I'm 35 time to have a baby and I'll just reproduce the next naked guy I meet. My second was an oops baby who came along after we had given up trying and were well on our way to a divorce.

Yes I love my kids. Yes they keep me going when I need inspirtation.

But kids do make their parents tired. They create great joy but also can cause great sorrow -- just like every other human being on the planet. Women who don't want children should not have them or feel like they should have to.

Is it OK that I say you do know what you are missing and that is why you chose to miss it?
One of these years, you'll finally be considered old enough by physicians and society and relatives and uncles and all of "them" to know your own mind and therefore be allowed to make such life altering decisions for yourself and not be considered a half wit or deviant. In the meantime, how dare you threaten me if I say you don't know what yer missing..? :) and stay calm keep yer boffing under control until you change your mind. rated for prudence
Let us know if you need any help w/the ‘boffing people in the head’ thing.
I love my kids, best thing I ever did. But your choiice is your choice... happiness is & all
I dearly love children....we made a decision not to be parents early in our relationship, knowing the importance of our careers, and the tenuous quality of life we lived ourselves, not wanting to raise children with those uncertainties. It is a very serious decision, not made lightly by any means. We still watch the little ones in the care of our friends and colleagues......loving their sweet Li'l heads........
This is a very fine post.......as usual Verbal....thanks.....
you dont....


know how many people i hear say that actually. i have a friend in cali who is barely 21 and shes sworn up and down that she wont have babies.. her mom things god is punishing her with horrible ovarian sithts (sp?) bc she doesnt want babies...
You are unselfish and wise and strong to remain who you are in the face of "norms." Too many women give in to pressures.
I keep a long-expired Trojan around because of the old package, which says "To reduce the chance of pregnancy and other sexually transmitted diseases..."

Thank you for having the intelligence and courage to refuse to bear children you don't want, and the wit to write about it.
Hahaha, great stuff. I can't stand the thought of having kids either. Not even replacement value for myself (because really, who could replace me? :D)
Hallelujiah sister. I am so right there with you.
Good for you VR.
People should put in as much energy into their own lives as they do in telling others how to live.

Live the life you love.

MJ
That doll was gross...perhaps you were traumatized...no, just born that way...

I don't have any kids, either, but for different reasons. Still, a choice I made in my adulthood.

When I was 21 and living on Martha's Vineyard for the summer, I d the interesting experience of meeting Lillian Hellmann through her cook and housekeeper. (I was cooking and keeping house for John Hersey of Hiroshima fame). Anyway, she told us that her only regret in life at her age was that she never had any children.

As I float through menopause and realize that a door has closed for me, her words come back. Fortunately, I have seven step grandchildren who all know me as Grandma. Hopefully, that will help if I ever get too sad...
ok...you can't just toss out a post so funny that i lost my breath on at least three occasions and expect me to weigh in on this sort of serious topic

i'll just say this:

once you have the baby and the reality of what faces you finally sinks in...you can't just sneak out of the hospital in the middle of the night and make a break for it

trust me on this


this post was beyond wonderful

thanks
Ah, the late great, Baby Alive! I had the generic feed and pee dolls, bride dolls, Thumbleina[sp?] and Betsy McCall. Then came Barbie. She might have had an impossible rack, but she was potty trained and had clothes you could dress her in that made her into a doll with a job!

What are the requirements, if any, these days with getting permanent birth control? I had a friend who tried to have a hysterectomy performed at 28 back in 1977, because she had recurrent fibroids and periods that lasted 10-12 days. She had twin girls, but her doctor had some formula that you took the age of the woman, multiplied it by the number of children she had and the sum had to be a certain number or over. My friend didn't "add up" and her condition was not life threatening, so no doctor would do the surgery. Unbelievable!

Having been on both sides of the divide, these are my top three favorite lines (all uttered to me by various people),

Don't have/think I want children:

You'll change your mind! (And you'll be the last to know.)
But you would have such smart OR cute children! (Oh, YOU'RE the one who gives out the blueprints!)
How do your parents feel about that? (Well, I don't think THEY want to get me pregnant.)

During pregnancy:
Oh, did you plan this? (No, we just got bored one night at my parent's house.)
Do you want a boy or a girl? (Are there any other choices?)
Are you having natural childbirth? (No, I'm thinking of blowing it out my ass.)
This is great and funny in every way, Verbal. But I was most interested in your almost uncanny luck, getting peed in the face by your first diaper. That's like getting a hole in one your first time golfing. It can take years for a parent to take a shot across the bow. Some people work their diapers, wait for it, maybe a few even hope for it, and the shot never comes. About as likely as lightning striking out of a clear blue sky, is what it is.
When I was 10 I told my father I was not ever having children. He said, "Who's going to take care of you when you get old?"

I asked him, "I don't know. Who's going to take care of YOU when you get old?"

I never felt the urge to procreate. Never. Ever. Sure, they're cute, but so is a baby lion. Doesn't mean I want to LIVE with one.

When I asked my military doctor for a tubal he refused and told me to come back after I'd popped out a couple of kids. When my then-husband asked for a vasectomy they told him to go have some kids first. They took me off the pill because of my bp and told me I'd just have to have kids.

So I got a job at a medical clinic with great insurance and my doctor there had only question when I asked for a tubal: "How's next Friday for you?"

Sorry for hijacking this, but this is is so ME.
You have me beaten as far as early announcements, but I told some family members at 13 that I didn't want any. I am now a fence sitter, but, unless the stories are true that hormones hit and you just HAVE to have kids, I don' t think I'll regret it if the timing is never right and I skip motherhood. I remember that at 13 I also told a neighbor's granddaughter who was about 11 that I didn't want kids. She looked really puzzled and said, "But what will you do with your life?" People act surprised that at 31 I have none. I think, "But I've never been married or in a serious relationship? I have never been able to afford them. Aren't you glad I don't?" My parents were 40 when they had me, their first, so maybe I have a little time to decide.

Good post on the creepy Baby Alive and your childfree wishes. My aunt, after giving birth to her one and only accident and being terrifed that she was pregnant again (she wasn't), asked a doctor circa 1970 here in MS if she could get her tubes tied. He angrily told her off, saying her child might die in a fire and she might want another and blah blah....and I think she would have needed her husband's permission, though he didn't need hers to get "fixed." Anyway, she had no more kids and is fine with that.
Although you're lack of yearning is so foreign to me and I can't understand it in the least, I more than respect your mind and its unchangingness.

And yes, folks, she cannot understand a child of four. I had to translate the whole weekend. And she definitely gravitated more towards the animals than the children. Amazingly, I like her even more than I did the first time we met.

BTW, her rice is to die for and her CSA involvement has converted me.
Oh, and though I love all my children to the ends of the earth, I hated, hated, hated baby dolls. I think it's Telly Savalas' fault.
pretend_farmer! I too remember that creepy Twilight Zone with Telly Savalas!
Thanks a ton for the nice words from everybody who's stopped by.

Dorinda--OK, I'll settle for "You know what you're missing out on and that's why you didn't go that way." :-)

Flyover made me snort with "No, I think I'll just blow it out my ass."

Definitely got peed on, Rich. :-S Whether or not hazy memory has inserted "in the face" is anybody's guess, but that's how I remember it.

I am jealous of Monique.

And I take no pride in the fact that I get along better w/ animals than with kids--it's just a thang. PF, by the way, is entirely lovely and a wonderful mom/grandma!
VerVer--would you and hubby be interested in adopting me? I am potty-trained (mostly)...
I have really enjoyed this post. It´s intelligent and it makes a very good point. I am a mother of three children, and I love them more than anything. However, I celebrate your strength to stand up to your decision. Good for you!
Great post- so sorry you had to go through that bullpatooty with the doctors. It's wrong. Why can men make this choice and not women? And why is it ok to ask a childless woman if she regrets having no children but no one would dare ask a mother if she regretted having kids. /end rant

Oh and ironically this: " The sludge was not going anywhere. It was not disappearing into Baby Alive's mouth. She wasn't "eating." No, the "food" was merely smearing stickily all over the doll's face"

is actually a pretty accurate description of what it's like to try to feed an actual baby solid food for the first time. ;-)
I love children...for a few hours at a stretch. I've been a preschool teacher and children's performing arts teacher (ballet and acting) and am, currently, a part time nanny (to supplement my income as a low-paid part time minister). That said...I'm 46 and have never wanted to be a mother. Parenting is a 24/7, 365 day per year job with no sick days or vacations. I know it would drive me straight out of my mind. I've pretty much always known that. I need alone time to be sane. I need sleep to be sane. And, when I'm sick, I need to be allowed to just take care of ME. Fortunately, I'm married to someone who also likes kids (he loves being a very invloved, goofy uncle) but does not want to parent. Also fortunately, the pill never caused bad side effects for me. I'm still on it and will continue to be until my gynecologist tells me I absolutely can't get pregnant anymore.
Thanks for a good, strong argument in favor of respect for the CF choice. Just wanting to point out that it's possible to really like children and still be adamantly CF.
When I was six, I was scared that one got a baby automatically after a year of marriage (even though I detected loopholes in this scenario somehow), so I asked my older sister if she would keep mine. She said yes. I've never really changed my mind about that, though for some reason, children really like me. And I like them, as long as I can give them back after an hour or two.
I have two. At first I thought I didn't want any. Then I married my husband and wanted one. Then after five years I agreed to have another. They are both nearly grown. I'm glad I have them but it isn't for anyone.

For me it was a mix of a biological urge plus having the right husband. I would never have had children on my own. I am just not that great a stand alone mom. He's the fabulous one.
I meant to say 'everyone'..... (not 'anyone').......

denese
Larry--on behalf of the me who would have been a shrewish, harpying, misery-making mother, you're welcome, you're welcome, you're welcome!
My biggest worry was that someday, I would regret remaining childless. I'm 56, and not only has it not happened yet, I am more and more grateful everyday that this is the decision I made. It is 100% right for me.

These days they give high school kids those "babies" to tend for what? something like 24 hours, maybe 48. You can't *shut them down,* or you'll fail the course---so you must tend to all their needs. If they had had those babies as part of my high school curricula, I'd have had my tubes ties at 18 rather than wait until I was 30.


Great post my like minded friend!
We are like minded souls. Growing up, much to my mother's dismay I detested dolls. I preferred making mud pies and playing with animals. By the time I was a senior in high school I was certain I did not have children. "You'll change your mind," or "wait till you meet Mr. Right." I have never changed my mind. I wish I had gotten my tubes tied years ago but I probably would have run into the same trouble as you did.

I did have a great role model when I was a teenager. I woman I respected who'd had a very high powered career and a great marriage. She made a conscious decision not to have children and never regretted it.

I love children, and they like me but I just never felt clucky myself and God knows there are enough homo sapiens on the planet.
Oh, Denise - you really DON'T know what you're missing!!!!

The enormous hospital bills from giving birth, followed by the enormous clothing bills as the child outgrows outfit after outfit faster than you can buy them, followed by the enormous cost of outfitting a kid for school (for no less than twelve years!), followed the enormous cost of having your bleeding ulcers treated when that child you tried so hard to keep safe starts doing things that can in all likelyhood kill them.......

Sure you won't change your mind? ;-D

Seriously, anyone who questions another person's desire to not have kids is a nosy moron. I may ask someone, "Do you have children?", so that I can discover if they can relate. If the answer is "No", I don't ask why not. It's their business, after all.

Thumbed. I can't imagine what you did to Chatty Cathy.
That bitch ain't chatty no more, Bill.

:-)

So nice to hear from brethren and sistren of like mind--and from those others of you sensible enough to realize that not every person needs to "replace him/herself." As aBlonde points out, there are MORE than enough of us already. Why should anybody care whether anybody in particular is going to contribute one or two more?
I am delighted to support and applaud people's realizing they don't want to be parents. I have seen too many parents who obviously don't want to be parents and taking it out on their kids. In turn, I don't enjoy being attack for having four daughters. (I am not saying it has ever happened on OS.) People need to keep their mouths shut and their thoughts to themselves about other's reproductive choices.
Great post VR! I read all the comments and enjoyed them - some playful, some serious. I wish I had known what a butt plug was back in the day. I didn't know you could dam up Mother Nature like that. ;-)
You don't know what you're missing......

OH shit!!! RUN!!! (me run, not you) ;-D
The clinic that did the procedure didn't even ask him once, "are you sure?" No arguments, no questions, no pat-pat-pat-on-the-head oh-you-can't-possibly-know-what-you-want.

I seethed about that for...years.


I don't blame you! In some ways at least, the world has improved a bit. It's no longer QUITE so easy to talk down to and infantilize women and assume their maternal instinct will kick in. This was hilarious, Verbal. Especially the doll. I could see the point of teddy bears, but dolls left me cold. Hot Wheels were WAY cooler, and wouldn't you know, my brothers got them? The 60's--I can remember them, and I don't ever want to go back.

I'm another non-maternal type, and managed to dodge babysitting in my youth. I just don't have a lot of patience for kids. I see them kind of like large, hairy insects, but noisier and stickier and stinkier. Fine outdoors and not in my immediate vicinity, but I don't want them in my home!

Maybe the world must be peopled, but by people other than me thanks very much. Thumbed.
ok VR, each to her own :) you made me laugh. poor you. I understand perfectly. altho I had tried every which way for baby sans the additional responsibility of the sperm donater or marriage until I was really sure I wanted to...I have a good job, am healthy, am not exactly ugly, am a nice woman and can take care of me and baby - yet I wasnt allowed one! strange world...all this happens bec it is predominantly A Man's world, you think?
It is always the freaky religious people or poor who end up with a passel of kids. The wrong people having children. And to those who get all pissed off about "wrong," fuck off. The last thing the world needs is more freaky religious people and more poor. If you check the percentages, it is not the educated and well off getting knocked up. Probably because they've figured out what a bad deal kids are. monkey fingered.
I made a bet with my girlfriends in junior high school that I would be the last one to get married and I would never have children. I bet them each $1.
At my 20 year reunion I told them that with interest, they each owed me $2.75.
By the 30 year reunion, I think they believed me.

This was never a "decision" I made. I simply knew these things about myself and obviously, so did you.
Fabulous post!
Great post - People can be so ignorant and hurtful like you need to have kids to validate them - hmmmmm. I have to admit that I was very relieved when my daughter did not have the faintest interest in Santa bringing her any kind of doll. Once in awhile, my mother would insistently buy my daughter a doll and the doll would be broken or lay at the bottom of the toy chest unused. Rated for thoughtful rant.
Verbal, I'm in awe. Hilarious description of Baby Alive and infuriating account of your encounters with docs who would not listen to you. The headlines, the pics, the timing, the Shakespeare quote - compelling article, rated and thoroughly enjoyed.
The same can be said for being single--due to weather, I got to spend Christmas at home alone. It was bliss.
Verbal,
This is still going on. I had a student a couple of years ago who had been to every ob-gyn in a huge radius to ask for tubal ligation. They all told her she was too young to consider it. She was adamant she never wanted children. i supported her decision, and was shocked that we are still living in this era. Especially since i knew a man who had a vasectomy at 23. no questions asked.
WTF?
Absolutely no one should be urged to have children unless they choose to. It's hard enough even if you want them. We are not in danger of running out of people and considering the number of neglected and abused children, many others should not have had children.

Growing up, I never was attracted to babies and though I had dolls, I was more apt to pretend to operate on them rather than mother them. I married young and after a couple of years of thinking about it, I decided I wanted a baby. When I was pregnant, mother instinct galore kicked in and later I really wanted another baby, but it never happened. I like individual children but really don't like them all in a generic way.

My grown daughter doesn't have or want children and though that is up to her, of course, I'm glad. I have zero desire to be a grandmother. How's that for going against convention?
BBE, you are right I think, the wrong kind is having babies and making it even harder for everyone else.
this. yes. thank you.

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Brilliant read, thank you! I feel a response from a sympathetic male perspective would be fun and appropriate, and I'd take it on myself if I thought for a second I could do the inspiration of your piece justice. Alas, such is not the case... but I look forward to someone else's attempt nonetheless.

Rated, naturally.
I have two wonderful-sometimes, dreadful-at-other-times children. Won't trade them for anything in the world. But I absolutely get your rant.

Be glad you don't live in the India of the 60s and 70s. My aunts/uncles/grandparents had the guts to ask their kids/nieces if they were getting their monthlies!!! I grew up without blinking an eyelid at all that. But I'd have been mortified if I (a woman of the 80s who had her kids in the early 90s) had been asked that when I was a newly-wed!

And the difference you talk about that persists even here, in the US, in the attitude towards the male species versus the female? My father-in-law told me (early into my marriage) that he believed that the male species was indeed far smarter than the female. Hilarious, considering he's married to one of the smartest women that I've ever known who was born in the 30s. Little wonder that I chose this avatar, as you can see:-)

Great honest read, smartly written. I do so wish that the editors here would pick posts that are not only revelatory but ALSO well-written. Many times, the two don't go hand in hand. I don't get it.
Just once, Daniel asked "So, what do you think about adoption." And I replied "Much less than any lover you might have after me would."

I so got this. And yes, it's rigged to force women to NOT exercise their right to make this decision.

And this was funny! I nearly snorted Cosmo all over the screen...
You've said it all!! I don't want children either - I don't even mind kids, I just don't want to be a parent, ever. Why it's such a problem for other people (who are welcome to have as many as *they* want) mystifies me.

I laughed out loud at "So, when do you plan to start experimenting with butt plugs?" I may ask the next person who gets too nosy that very question!
So what if you had one of those women who did change their mind after years of insisting they would never, as one of your best friends? :D On the other hand, I like to test my conviction on her every now and then, and kind of see what made her change her mind. I don't really know yet, funnily enough. It seems like one day she decided that if she's going to have them now is the time. What throws me as odd is that she wasn't supposed to be going to.

Anyway, I think I was about the same age as you were when I announced I didn't want any children. To me the option was a bit clearer, as I had 3 aunties, 2 uncles and no cousins. I haven't EVER had little children around me, even when I was one, apart from my own friends and even they appeared at the age of 5 onwards. Even my dog hates kids because he had never had a chance to get to know any.

Having said that, I don't hate kids, and I understand their charm. Sometimes I find myself smiling and giggling at a sight of a cute child doing something.. .well, cute. That doesn't change the fact that I don't want a part of it. I feel like I should be a mother, because most people just don't have a clue about how a child's mind work. Like for example telling them that a doll could "eat" or "poop". Kids are not stupid and adults tend to forget that.

Anyway, I enjoyed your post tremendously and I had to sign up on the site just to comment. :)
I LOVE the fact that people like us are finally being listened to.

BTW, I never had one of those dolls. Never wanted one. My dolls (and I had them, but I also had toy cars and lego and a model of the Space Shuttle) did far more interesting things (in my imagination, anyway) than those baby alive things.

I always wondered how on earth I'd tolerate the screaming, pooping little banshees... until it dawned on me a few years later that when I grew up, I could make my own damn decisions and NOT HAVE KIDS.
Totally agree with you re: the paternalistic medical professionals, too. The women docs can sometimes be even worse. I thank heavens I tolerate the pill well, as I have been on it 20 years now - and still have no intention of "changing my mind". Ironically, though, it would be easier for my husband (eight years younger than me, also childfree by choice) to get permanent sterilisation than me!

Hello, dammit, we live in the 21st century... shouldn't we be allowed to have choices?
i like this post. a lot. i LOVE that you were selfless enough to think about it and acknowledge and admit that you don't want to have children instead of giving into the pressure of a brainwashed society that says women are supposed to.

having children is seeming more and more to me like a very selfish thing. and that's coming from someone who grew up knowing only one thing for certain, i wanted to be a momma. i still do, with ALMOST every bone in my body. except the bones that say i'm not entirely physically and emotionally healthy, the bones that remind me of my struggling/troubling relationships with my parents, the bones that remind me of over-population and of the increasing lack of love and compassion and.....happiness? in the world.

so in the end i may not have babies after all. but either way, i will have put much thought into it, as you have. which is more than i can say for many many many women.
Verbal - Thank you!! Thank you for putting into such great words just how I feel. I'm tired of people jumping on me because I don't want kids. I asked for a tubal at 21 - eight years later I'm trying to get an IUD instead. Hormonal birth control makes me crazy and I haven't wanted kids at any point in my life.

I don't want kids for a whole host of reasons, many of them intensly personal. Why can't people just back the eff off!? I don't know about you, but the worst ones are women! Men I'm not dating don't give a flying hoot that I'm not having kids. Women take it as a personal insult that I refuse to fufill my biological function as a gestational carrier. Why?

And my mom, given a choice, would have allowed my brother and I to stay 5 years old, forever. She could handle little ones, but not as we grew older.

Rated!