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MAY 4, 2009 2:30PM

Come Bra-Shopping With Me

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  freakypic

Naturally athletic friend Herr Ball dragged me to an 8K yesterday morning, and I actually spent a considerable percentage of the distance actually jogging (vs. walking, sashaying, or slogging). This simple act--bounding lightly from foot to foot, with both feet occasionally actually in the air at the same time--is a very recent thing me, due to the following marvel of engineering:

 enell 

The  Enell Sports Bra: Smashing The Girls Against The Ribcage So Effectively, This Must Be What It Feels Like To Be a Man

I'd never have heard about the Enell, nor dared to try to take up jogging this late in life (long after those scarring High School P.E. hours when my chest was my archnemesis) were it not for online shopping. Hundreds of reviewers on Amazon.com raved about this sports bra; like me, they said they'd tried everything else to no effect, but THIS twenty-hook-and-eye beastie really delivered. I trusted my large-breasted sisters, coughed up $70, and ordered.

Cue choirs of angels. The bloody thing works. I tried it on the moment I got it out of the shipping envelope (no easy matter, as I discovered the only way to really get the thing on is to slip into its vestiness, then lie on your back and forcefully wrestle the bottommost hook-and-eye into place before wrangling the rest of the girls into position for the next dozen hooks). 

Upon standing up again, I was immediately seized by the urge to jump rope, to play hopscotch, to climb onto a trampoline, to leap up and down for no good reason at all. Huzzah! Nothing moved! At last!


When last we went virtual shopping together, we alighted at My Virtual Model--a nice idea, but executed with significant flaws. MVM's breasts are unbelievably perky. Her waist is too big. Her butt is too flat. In short, she looks just enough like me to be kinda freaky, but not enough to make her a useful stand-in when I shop online.

Which brings us to Zafu.

zafu opening

Zafu began as a virtual jeans-shopping site and it's a brilliant one at that. You agree to low-level interrogation about every quirky aspect of your body, and the search engine really does figure out which jeans will fit you flatteringly (and which ones you should stay away from, no matter how adorable they look on the size-2, 6'0" model). 

And then, the site added...bras.

Never a fan of shopping in actual stores, and being possessed of a fair number of bras that do in fact fit me well (mostly through trial and error) I embarked on a test-drive of the Zafu bra-finder. Ladies, follow me. (Gentlemen, avert your eyes, please.)

zafu band

Yep. No matter what, the band rides up. Might as well admit it.

zafu cups
 

Indeed, if bra-cup spillover were toxic, I'd need a full-time HazMat team in my bedroom. 

  zafu flop factor 

The Dreaded Pencil Test. Look, they call it "drape," not "floppage." Isn't that cute? (I can only assume they really meant "tell us about your breasts.)"

zafu bra top

 I'd never even stopped to think about shape variations. Huh. zafu type

Being endowed with an abundance of self-knowledge hard won through years of "oopsie" slips, I know to stay the hell away from demis, pushups, and plunges when it comes to picking a bra type. YMMV, of course.

 zafu wishlist

The "Magic Wand" question. So hard to limit myself, but I know better than to check those three criteria and also "Pretty with lace." That'd be like asking molten chocolate cake to be full of fiber and low in calories.

zafu size 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, hell no. You do not need to know my weight, you intrusive piece of software, you.

zafu searching

success  


The Results

Too Cold

My first few matches are all from Playtex, and I simply refuse to consider them. I am not a fifty-year-old auntie. I cannot countenance wireless battleship breasts or triangular torpedo launchers. Cross-my-heart, these are two matronly motherfucking bras.

playtex horror 1  playtex horror 2

No.                                                   Just NO.

 


Too Hot

But hey, it's OK. Zafu's got lots of other suggestions, too.

Like, say, these frilly little numbers, which I know now I can consider the next time I want my chest to appear as though it's been stucco'd beneath my sweaters and stretch tops.

felinastucco lumpty

I suppose these would both be fine under a really heavy, nubbly cable-knit wool sweater...

 


Just Right

Ah! But finally! There, on pages 3 and 4 of my matches, a couple of my decades-long standbys! And lo and behold, Zafu knows exactly how they fit me.

Which is actually pretty impressive.

zafu lillyette 

Zafu how it fits 

All true.

zafu wacoal 

Again, scarily accurate.

And finally, to test for "bad fit," I submit the following flop of a purchase:

bodyback 

Who cares about a smooth fit when you're bouncing like oversized twin superballs? When the zafu text says "minimal support and shaping," ladies, take them at their word and run for the hills.

With your arms crossed across your chest.

Because otherwise it's going to hurt like hell.

 


Conclusion

Zafu is a wonderful virtual bra-fitter. Really.

MUCH better than the ever-scowling sixty-something department store fitters who'll fix the stink-eye on your old bra in the dressing room, tsk-tsk about the size you admit you've been wearing for years, and haughtily inform you that You Will Regret Not Investing In Good Bras Years From Now, Young Lady.

I'd be interested to hear from somebody about whether their pants/jeans engine is as good.


Update in Response to Comment Questions

wire Yes. You can narrow your results to bras

  • with or without wires
  • by brand name
  • by coverage/style
  • by cup size
  • by special features

For the disturbingly curious, there are 5 non-underwire options listed for a 36DD rack:

  • 3 Playtex (eyuw. Not going there.)
  • 1 Anita (The amusingly named "Twin Air Comfort Wirefree" model--I picture the funbags floating a la space station)
  • 1 Bali (The also amusingly named "Downtime Cool Stretch Wirefree," which, you know. Down. Yeah, that's a word you want to feature prominently when you're marketing a bra to women with big breasts.)

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ohmygod I SO wish I wasn't t work right now!

saved for tonight!
I have to send this post to my daughter.
Well I know what I'm going to try out after the HS band concert tonight...something good to look forward to - because I'm almost positive the concert won't be!
What? the possibility of no more "uniboob"???? At long last, we are saved! HALLELUJAH!
I hate my bras. I do not have a one that fits right. I'll come back to this.

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hehehheeee.. You should have seen the ape try to jog. She had on three, yes I said THREE, jogging bras. She could "run" (as much as her stubby legs will allow her - I swear, I could beat her in a foot race and I have to hop), but she couldn't breathe.

I'm going to show her this post. It's about time she stop threaten people with her out of control chest region.
Nice heads up - and good to know that someone in virtual-shopping is actually using a brain!
I'd also be interested to hear from women on the other end of the spectrum--does the tool identify bras you're already wearing/using and like? Does it seem to work for the petite as well as the full-figured?

Here's my ultimate fantasy. I want a remote control that I can aim at the television when I'm watching something and see an item of clothing I want to purchase. I want to click "Buy," and have an engine like Zafu communicate all my quirky size/shape details to a vendor, which will painlessly choose the right size and ship the item to me--OR, if I have made a horrid mistake and the item would look idiotic on me, said engine would say "Our analysis suggests you would be less than happy with the fit of this item. Do you want to proceed?"

Six times in the last week I have aimed my imaginary shopping remote at the screen--while watching Chuck, Dollhouse, Fringe, and something else I don't quite remember.

Wouldn't that be the most AWESOME business model, you crazy TV networks? Or maybe I'd aim the remote at the sexy refrigerator, or the flatware, or the martini glass? Everything on set for sale, just like in The Truman Show.
Wow, excellent suggestion! I will definitely be checking this out tonight. I'm always in search of the perfect bra :)
::gasp:: I think I saw just that in an episode of "Future Tech"
Flamingo, the Enell definitely creates uniboob, but in a very good way. Sort of like a pregnancy bump, only higher. :-)

Freaky, you MUST let us know if Deven tries one of these out. Sporting goods stores, idiotic as they are, tend not to stock them, so she'll have to call around or just take the mail-order plunge (no pun intended) based on measurements.
I want to share this with my cousin Lainey, who's been an H cup since she was 12! (Each of our grannie's breasts was the size of a well-fed four-year-old boy! And as for me . . . well, let me just say, I feel your pain.)

I've had my share of brassiere-induced traumas, too, so I LOVE that you posted this; it's witty and well-done. Kudos!

You remind me; I need to stop at the nearest Ross at lunchtime; it's the only department store I've ever been in that not only has goodlooking bras in my size, it has PLENTY of them, and they are actually organized according to size on the racks! And deeply discounted! It's like BRA HEAVEN!

Thanks, rated.
Helen, alas, it's not going to help Lainey. The one bothersome aspect of the software is it seems to stop at cup sizes DD/E. Probably because most of the damned manufacturerers do, too.

www.barenecessities.com does, however, carry cup sizes up to K.
This posting is a treasure chest!
A misreading of your title led me to believe this post was about CoNe Bra Shopping.
is it wrong that i read this?...really, i just accidentally clicked on the wrong link...sorry--i'll let myself out...i love boobs--alright i'm leavilng already!
Another hard day at the office, I see.....? ;) If the networks were *really* smart, they would take you up on your remote control suggestion and start by selling bras. It really would be the "boob tube" after all.
OOC: Does this site ever recommend La Perla bras? They are. to. die.for. But you have to inherit a lot of money to afford more than a few.
A great service to womankind, VR. Thanks!!
Well this is good information to have. I have a few girlfriends who have the aforementioned problems, they need to know about this.

Great job, and not one loose boob among them...except maybe Mr. Comedy.
Why, perhaps Messrs. Chariot and Comedy will have learned something in this post--i.e., the myth that we who are endowed with womanly assets of particular wealth cannot generally avail ourselves of dainty pretty underthings.

(Mister, I know you're sizing up the underthings of both genders, you wacky man, but you know what I mean. And M. Chariot is of course too much the gentleman to weigh in.)
So I wonder, "Am I giving in to a voyeuristic impulse in clicking on a post titled, 'Come Bra-Shopping With Me'?" Fortunately, while reading, I discover two things: two other men have posted comments before me, and it's all about civil engineering, anyway.

:-)

(I especially liked the "run for the hills" line.)
Well...THANK YOU! Thoughtful, well-written, and enlightening. I hate, hate, hate bra shopping. I'm not sure I've EVER had the right bra. Verbal...you are a goddess.
I just clicked back through to see what Rob said. I bet he's off to go make a bra line thingie.
Thwang, pop, boiiiing. I have no good bra at all. Except for my favorite, which is a huge men's sweatshirt.

Great post. I will bookmark it! Rated, too.
As a general rule, I don't really mind going shopping with a gal I like, so, thanks for the invite. An educational trip to the virtual mall is always an added bonus.

So, I was thinking, in the photo I saw of you from the race you seemed to cut a rather more petite figure than I recalled from having seen you in real life - now I know why. Let us all praise Enell!

Also, did you know that Zafu is also the term for a type of pillow one may sit on for meditation? If not, now you do.

Finally, I'd say someone made a great marketing decision to call it the Lil Yette instead of the Lil Yeti.

::ducks::
Do not knock the Playtex Cross-Your-Heart. Yes, it looks like the love child of a brassiere and a panzer tank...but it can be had for under $20, it can be thrown in the washer and dryer without damage, and it is seriously the most comfortable bra you will ever wear.

(I figure if any man gets to see my boobs enrobed in the matronly glory that is the Playtex Cross-Your-Heart Bra, he better have the good goddamn sense to count himself lucky and not bitch about my Grandma bra. When he hauls around two bags of fat, fluid, and nerves on his damn chest, he can decide how to support 'em.)
Lonnie and Leandra, thank you for making me laugh like a loon. :-D

Yes, Lonbud, thanks indeed for the Enell.

Freaky, if Rob starts a line of bras, I must be the beta tester. :-)
Oh my, another thing to put on the To-Do list. But finding out I'm in the wrong size after all these years is going to be mighty hard to take. Hmm. I wonder if Ablonde will be interested in this ....
You crack me up. Only *you* could write this post.

But I do sympathize. Even my itty-bitty 32 B's take to jumping around with a mind of their own when I jog or run or do kick boxing without properly harnessing them first.

When I first started (speed) walking, after my breast surgery, I learned the hard way that they had to be all but glued down to prevent discomfort. I still have a vision of me running through Point Dume (when my walk turned into a run because of a sudden downpour) holding my left breast in place with my hand. Lovely.
I'm here simply for the article. I didn't even look at the pictures. Of boobies.
Uh, um...very informative.
Dear Clothing Fairy,

Can you find something to wear under sun dresses that is not imitating teens who show their straps wantonly or is a t-shirt base which defeats the purpose of a sun dress.

sincerely,

Too Hawt for my clothes
This is genius. Why is this not on the front page?

That first one? The plunging minimizer with the smooth cups? Make it black and its my dream bra.

I love you.
I decided, this time, to really give it my best shot. Provide a mature, enlightened comment on a post that's clearly a trap. I failed to come up with something mature and enlightened, so I'm going to stop talking now.

PS: I enjoyed your post.
Yeah, I recently had a bra failure while running (and showed my complete lack of common sense by blogging about it), so I'm going to save this post for tonight and give it my full attention.

Rated!
Great post and very informative. I will have to try them out. I hate bra shopping.
Persephone: Find it here in black.

http://www.amazon.com/Lilyette-Womens-Tailored-Minimizer-Black/dp/B0010W5D5E/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=apparel&qid=1241468187&sr=8-3
Thanks! Great post and I will be checking it out. Always looking for the perfect bra!
Reminds me of that old saying, "Good things come in small packages"!

Please keep us abreast on how you are doing!
I hate shopping in stores in general so this is great - though I haven't had to worry much about spilling over my cups since I gave up nursing!
This is extremely valuable information! I wear a sports bra for riding horses, I don't care how small your boobs are sitting trot can be a killer! I'm with Cartouche, the La Perla bras are lovely but crazy expensive (all their lingerie is to die for) and I would own a bunch if I could, but I have found another brand called Natori that has some outstanding bras. Every once in a while I find them at Loehmans or Tj Max.

Thanks for posting this, I'll check it out.
Trying this now.

Also, Wacoal makes some of the best bras on the market, especially for us small-frame-large-chest girls, IMO.
I know I rarely wear bras, but when I do I want a damn good one.

As I get older it may become necessary to wear bras more often and maybe a girdle.

I await your girdle article.
I can't believe you wrote this. I JUST spent a couple of hours at Victoria's Secret the other day with a specialist and found out that I didn't really know how to put my girls in correctly. Yeh, after all these years. And now I do! And it's great. Just great. Right size, and now the girls are so happy and so am I.
Got the right bra and we're all thrilled. And low and behold we all LOOK GREAT.

rated for well, the girls.
Verbal I'm going to need a pic of the "subjects" before I can form an opinion but rated nonetheless. Let me know when you update!
As a man whose father owned a women's clothing store, and thus was paid--paid, mind you!--to handle the plastic torsos on which the "foundation undergarments" were displayed, all I can say is, for matronly bras, the Olga brand has got Playtex beat by a mile.
I buy a couple of new bras every year . . .and I hate it, lol

Pawed!
Awesome site. I'll check it out. I buy most of my bras from Wolford - or I used to . They stopped making the one that I love, and though I bought 4, count 'em 4 in anticipation of that day, I have to finally face facts and find a new model. This came just in time!
I loved this post except the line about not being a fifty year old auntie. Huh? I'm not sure what you think being fifty looks like, VR, but you might want to rethink it ;) I'm a 52-year old aunt; I don't wear bras like that and my friends don't either...
I was sold on your posts from the first word. The rating soared over "two matronly motherfucking bras." I think I peed my pants on the "No." Now I just need to know how to get Zafu stock. But, the investment quest can wait. I've got to change clothes and then hurry to Zafu!
For you music fans out there, I love an albumn put out some 10 years ago by Chris Whitley, may he rest in peace. The albumn was titled _Living with the Law_. Fantastic stuff--very raw, powerful vocals, and some ripping guitar work.
...Non-sequitur, you say? Au contrair. I just realized that he really meant to title the work _Living with the Bra._ All the same drama, pain, chafing. I'll never listen to it the same way again.
Dare I say that, as a 36DD who has a hell-of-a-time finding sexy bras that fit, this has just joined my list of favorite posts of all time. I am especially eager to buy the sports bra as I have never, ever found anything equal to containing the bouncing during heavy exercise. Goddess bless you!
Jeez, you're a tease!!!!
so this is where all the women are hanging out today.

dang, verbal, you make me glad to be an uncomplicated man.
Donna: Please understand, the 50-year-old aunties who wore those bras are now in their 80s (and probably still wearing the same actual bra--not the same model, the very same piece of fabric).

ManTalk, I forgot to pat your lovely head for being a nice wolf. Good boy. Good boy.

For the record I do own one La Perla (it's a demi, sadly: a gift from my mother-in-law...don't ask) and while I like the idea of Natori, they are of the "sheer but no support or shaping" school for me. Wacoals' underwires tend to rest too low on my ribcage and the Zafu "how it fits you" advice does note this. I don't know how they figure all this out!

Mr. Busse: Girdle post. Check. Will slot conveniently on my docket between "Stabbing my own eyes out with a Fondue Fork" post and "The day I immersed my right hand in boiling oil."

Shivaun, would love to hear back about how it worked for you.
Now I want one. Your post reminds me of when my mother caught me (all the time) looking at the Sears and Roebuck bra and panties section as a kid. (I still take a peek on occasion)
*sappy grin* boobies....I love boobies....well crap, the guys are even better at this than I, who actually own a pair of my own

uhm, yeah, bras- I've got about 14 of the same make and model- Karen and both wear them, even though I swear by looking at her she's got to be at least 2 cups larger- and does in no way shape or form pass the pencil test (which in my mind is a good thing- who wants to play with boobs that don't dangle and sway- no one I tell you, no one)
I have a well formed interest in this science..........
A post for the ages!......
I spill over, I have back fat, I will not cross my heart. Pencils? I could administer SATs to an auditorium of college-bound high schoolers (tad exaggeration for humor, haha, laugh damnit). I don't think my arthritic fingers could handle twenty (really?) hooks.

The stucco comment actually made me guffaw, damn your amazing wit.

Maybe if i secret a well-fitting bra (though it's not working well for "clean house"). Um, I like the new Victoria's Secret something Jess bought me, no spillage thus far (though I do feel like someone has placed a vice in my underarm area).

Rated, you bright large-breasted beauty!
Um, I have nothing to say. So that's exactly what I'm *going* to say.
This is pretty intriguing and I plan to check out Zafu. I can sympathize, because for most of my life, I was very large breasted and had terrible problems finding bras that fit and looked nice, let alone youthful and forget comfortable. Mostly I stuffed my DD breasts into D bras with major spillover. And wore loose tops, both to hide and to cover the bulges. It was a major source of misery.

BTW: I am firmly of the opinion that the whole mythology surrounding big breasts is just that, myth. Americans don't like actual big breasts (except perhaps in porn). In real life, big breasts are terrible liability, professionally and socially, and are treated in the areas of clothing and undergarments as an actual deformity. On the other hand, TINY breasts are provided with all sorts of adorable little bras, things with lace and tiny bows, cute as could be. Bras for BIG breasts look like medical devices, are usually bright white, and full of hard seams, thick straps and so on. They look awful and feel awful on, and as pointed out, aren't even any good for sports.

What I wanted, what I still want, is a pretty functional bra that gives good support, looks smooth under clothes and is COMFORTABLE.

Sadly, the only way I could get this was....breast reduction surgery. It's not for everyone -- there is pain involved and a lifetime of scars that don't completely go away. But in the end, you have normal size breasts and that means you can wear NORMAL BRAS and normal size blouses and swim suits, and be comfortable. It's a trade off and it is one I made gladly. I think far more women would do it if they full realized what a godsend it is and what a miracle every day to pop on a soft pretty comfortable undergarment without hard wires and seams, to wear any sort of top or blouse and to run, jump, swim, dance and play without having two slabs of heavy tissue rubbing or flopping against your chest. Oh, and did I mention no miserable sweating in the summer? and no weird skin rashes under your breasts? And being able to buy a bra, on sale or in a catalog, in pink or lavender or peach, WITHOUT TRYING IT ON, because you are now easy to fit?

BTW, any decent health insurance policy will pay for a breast reduction.

That being said: I read nothing here about FRONT CLOSING BRA's...I find them by far the most comfortable and easy to put on. They were the norm for many years, but about 10 years ago started to disappear and now it is hard to find them. I think they fit better, too. I've been keeping some "oldies" but they are wearing out, and I hate to replace them with back-closing bras.
Mercifully, men do not have to purchase underwear the same way women must buy bras. The online shopping website might be interesting. You'd have to enter basic data such as length and width (at rest and at attention?) of your winkie. The custom undies would have to account for the irregular/lopsided nuts. I imagine the custom fit undies would have to have something like the inflatable air chambers on a select comfort bed to deal with the lopsided nut issue. "My right nut bag comfort number is 35, my left nut bag comfort level is 57." .............some times it's good to be a guy.
VR-What can I say? Clearly those particular"assets" of yours were not a genetic gift directly from me. (must be your paternal side or my paternal side). Glad you included those of us who are less-endowed. Lord! Why is Thurston Harris' "Little Bitty Pretty One(s)" looping through my brain?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8PhP3yIlRw
I've never experienced a problem with cup fit, but when the cup is right, the circumference strap often cuts, under my armpits. I'll check it out. Hell! Now I'm hearin' Anne Margaret signin', "I Enjoy Being a Girl" in my head. Hrrrumph!
--rated--
I gave up on "sexy" or "Pretty" bras years ago. I found a bra that supports me and doesn't have frou-frou lace all over it, and have stuck with it. Sigh.. and yes, it's pretty matronly. Of course, since I rely on it, I expect it to be yanked from the market any minute, now.
i just wish i could afford to buy new bras period!
I am pretty much boobless. Except for modesty reasons under clothes, I honestly probably don't even need to wear a bra.

Just wanted to join in singing the praises of Wacoal though--if it works for women with actual breasts as well as for me, it must be a most excellent brand indeed.

And I also hate the people who want to measure you. I'm an adult; I can decide which clothes to buy, thanks. Besides which, I actually wear a smaller size than I measure into. If I bought the size bra I measure into, it would hang away from my body and twist around all day. No thanks.
Mrs. Guy sends her thanks and says this is excellent.
jesus god, as a 42d/dd, THANK YOU!!!!!!
Thanks for the invitation but I'll pass. Judging from the comments, this is a very helpful post. Now that you got this off your chest, I'm sure we'll see a post about protecting the boys while jogging too. Maybe the squirrel's up for it.
You're a genius, plain and simple. And the comments this post generated are invaluable. VR, you are my hero.
Great post, especially the bit about the bra fitters. I hate those old bats. Who trained them to make sure their customers dread visiting their stores?
Does leaving this comment imply that I did NOT avert my eyes as recommended?
this is fabulous!
It's like zaftig.
Can I open my averted eyes now?
wow. I'm going to try this right now in a minute!

thanks!

You know, the problem that I have is very annoying. I'm short. And no matter how much I adjust the strap ... well ... I've actually resorted to tying the straps in knots before. Seriously.
Well, this just seems too good an opportunity to blogwhore my bra story..Which I posted soon after joining, and virtually no one read:

http://open.salon.com/blog/juliet_waters/2009/01/02/my_new_years_miracle
OK, I'm writing this down:

Perla, Natori, Playtex, Lilyette, Wacoal, Victoria's Secret, Wolford, Olga, Smoothe Cups, Zafu.

Off to find the perfect fit. Thanks for this very well written piece, VR - I absolutely hate shopping for bras.

Rated!
Does it have the option to rule out underwire bras for DD cup and still ask for firm support? (Yes, they exist, even if Victoria's Secret doesn't know it).

What about one side a tad larger than the other side?
Wow. Suddenly I'm 13 again!

Rated, most def.
I think I've found my mew career.
Oooooh...this is so cool, Verbal! You gotta figure that if most American women are wearing the wrong size bra then the problem is not with American women. And I love that the site tackles both of the universal shopping horrors -- bras and jeans. Everybody hates shopping for them! Rated!
It's nice to see that breasts are in the forefront of Open Salon, a place I feel that they so richly deserve, perhaps forever toppling the infamous pitbulls spamalot and hot man posts to the archives. They have, after all, had more than their fair share of time in the sun.

I am happy to give my full support to Verbal Remedy along with my congratulations and thanks for her uplifting post. My breasts thank you too. Did I mention that previously? Oh well, it's worth repeating.
best comment award goes to Stellaa.

and don't f*ck with me about being back at this post at this time of night. it was a purely academic exercise. rob will back me up, i'm sure of it.
Wow, just goes to show ya. That wacoal is my favorite, and i actually attended a lecture by a Nordstrom lingerie buyer who said it was the only nonsports bra she recommended for exercise. I'm not tiny, either. But it's about time to look for new bras--thanks for the great tools! I think they were thinking of me when they invented internet shopping.
I was not here. I did not read this, nor did I study the pictures as if I were a boy wondering what's different about the girls' restrooms.

That said, if I HAD stopped thinking so much about shape variations I would have had time to be a NASA astronaut or a paleontologist by now. Sigh.
WOWZA, look at all you overnight visitors! :-)

Ladies who wondered about sorting results: I've just added a final screenshot, and yes, you can find wireless bras (3G internet service extra) in the large cup range, at least at my ribcage dimension. You can also sort for other specific functions. My favorite is "Stop the Back fat."

Lonnie, had you NOT been here at that hour, I'd have been disappointed.

Jimmy can open his eyes now.

Malusinka, I buy for the larger, not the smaller. Better to have some cup-pucker on the little side than be spilling out and lumpy on the larger.

Laurel962: PREACH it, sistah. Yeah, big boobs are worshipped in gentlemen's magazines and gas station calendars, but try dressing yourself with them sometime. Next series of "Project Runway," I want them to pick 12 big-breasted Open Salon bloggers and make the damned designers make clothes that actually take our build into account, instead of all the walking clothes racks they tend to use. :-D

rwnutjob, you made me laugh (and lived up to your name).

Off to read Juliet's bra blog and smiling sweetly at Greg.

Waving at ablonde. Hoping she'll put one of her new "finds" on after she's done shopping so I can stop worrying somebody at work will see her avatar...
Interesting

A recent conversation with my wife enlightened me to the trials and tribulations associated with searching for the perfect bra. I will pass along this information to her.

Rated – for research
I am protesting bras at present. For sports and jogging, no doubt the right one is a necessary foundation to comfort and practicality, however, my extremely sore ribs from a terrible cough with Bronchitis has left me unable to wear anything tight around my ribs for now. No bra, no underwire for a while. The absence of wearing a bra is absolutely wonderful, looseie goosie, free at last!
I WILL be checking out that Enell thingy. And that's kick-ass you did an 8K! Go VR!
i have recently lost wieght and went from a D to a C cup. will def try this site out.
thank you!!
As one who has undergone not one, but TWO breast reductions, I really feel your pain. But not mine any more. Bra shopping is a bitch. Surely they're designed by men, even men named "Lily." Trust me, all you fried eggs out there, smaller is better.
Oy, I'd give up a kidney for a comfortable bra. I'll check out the Zafu site as soon as I determine my proper droppage (that's combo "floppage" and "drape".) I might have to enlist hubby's help on that one.

God, Verbal, this was a scream to read, and so accurately portrays what we women have to endure in our quest to comfortably secure our lady parts. I'm with you: just say NO to those Viking-strength Playtex bras. ::shudder::
D, if you need any tips on quick removal shoot me a PM and I'll write it up and you can add it to the blog. :-D
RATED for breasteses in bras.
I think I recognize the Wacoal chick.
I don't get the desire for no movement at all? Except I get it when exercising - it hurts. But breasts move! And they are beautiful! Move, babies! Move!!! Jiggle, shift, sway a little! Just a little. Don't get ridiculous. But c'mon. BE.
This is a fantastic post, and it must have taken hours to put together. Thank you.

I personally hate bra shopping and still haven't found the perfect on. Yet, I also hate to go bra-less (bras keep me warm). Sometimes I just wish I didn't have to think about them. It's such a weird thing that we spend so much time on these parts, huh?
Fascinating and incredibly informative! thanks for taking all the time you did on this post. I would love to try it but not sure how to answer the questions. I've been wearing no-bra bras (meaning those all cotton stretchy things) for many years now out of despair at conventional bras, which I hate and find uncomfortable. So it would be hard to answer the "how does a bra normally fit you " questions....

But I love that they ask not just if you can hold a pencil under there but how many ! Also that they say "scooped breasts" vs. what my best friend called them growing up: "saggy baggy breasts."
Jesus H Christ I had no idea doing this was so damned complicated. I'm glad all I have to worry about are t-shirts, shorts, socks and tennis shoes. Just grab'em and go.

You could just do without the things. Think of the time and money you'd save. Plus, I'm sure thousands of men would prefer it that way :-)
After all these years of women saying size doesn't matter???

But seriously folks........

This is good information for us "total creep" guys. The bras which are too tight help us guys to see what is pointing through, and the ones which are too loose add more bounce to the ounce, and often yield an even better view when looking down a top.
There is no bra to tame my beasts. Not even Zafu can save me.
Wow, I never knew how complicated it was to look for a bra and to have it fit properly. Great information!!
Bras intimidate me. I'm going to have to try this Zafu. Or just use rope and electrical tape.
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I read this post on my iPhone while I as in Florida and shared parts of it with my Mom. Had her howling! I've been meaning to get back to it, rate it and tell you that you are struck through with gold; marked with genius. My Hero.
This is great. You really take your posts seriously and I appreciate it.
Your post has haunted me since May, VR, so I'm back to bump this up. I finally made the *plunge* and visited our local "La-De-Da" (their real name) professional bra-fitting and lingerie shoppe.

Luv, luv, luv the two that came home with me. Wacoal fits like a charm, not to mention sexy, light-weight and beautiful. This brand, by the way, is the only one I've found that issues a 1-year , total replacement guarantee. That's impressive.

Love this post. And thanks.

BR