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Naturally athletic friend Herr Ball dragged me to an 8K yesterday morning, and I actually spent a considerable percentage of the distance actually jogging (vs. walking, sashaying, or slogging). This simple act--bounding lightly from foot to foot, with both feet occasionally actually in the air at the same time--is a very recent thing me, due to the following marvel of engineering:
The Enell Sports Bra: Smashing The Girls Against The Ribcage So Effectively, This Must Be What It Feels Like To Be a Man
I'd never have heard about the Enell, nor dared to try to take up jogging this late in life (long after those scarring High School P.E. hours when my chest was my archnemesis) were it not for online shopping. Hundreds of reviewers on Amazon.com raved about this sports bra; like me, they said they'd tried everything else to no effect, but THIS twenty-hook-and-eye beastie really delivered. I trusted my large-breasted sisters, coughed up $70, and ordered.
Cue choirs of angels. The bloody thing works. I tried it on the moment I got it out of the shipping envelope (no easy matter, as I discovered the only way to really get the thing on is to slip into its vestiness, then lie on your back and forcefully wrestle the bottommost hook-and-eye into place before wrangling the rest of the girls into position for the next dozen hooks).
Upon standing up again, I was immediately seized by the urge to jump rope, to play hopscotch, to climb onto a trampoline, to leap up and down for no good reason at all. Huzzah! Nothing moved! At last!
When last we went virtual shopping together, we alighted at My Virtual Model--a nice idea, but executed with significant flaws. MVM's breasts are unbelievably perky. Her waist is too big. Her butt is too flat. In short, she looks just enough like me to be kinda freaky, but not enough to make her a useful stand-in when I shop online.
Which brings us to Zafu.

Zafu began as a virtual jeans-shopping site and it's a brilliant one at that. You agree to low-level interrogation about every quirky aspect of your body, and the search engine really does figure out which jeans will fit you flatteringly (and which ones you should stay away from, no matter how adorable they look on the size-2, 6'0" model).
And then, the site added...bras.
Never a fan of shopping in actual stores, and being possessed of a fair number of bras that do in fact fit me well (mostly through trial and error) I embarked on a test-drive of the Zafu bra-finder. Ladies, follow me. (Gentlemen, avert your eyes, please.)

Yep. No matter what, the band rides up. Might as well admit it.

Indeed, if bra-cup spillover were toxic, I'd need a full-time HazMat team in my bedroom.
The Dreaded Pencil Test. Look, they call it "drape," not "floppage." Isn't that cute? (I can only assume they really meant "tell us about your breasts.)"

I'd never even stopped to think about shape variations. Huh. 
Being endowed with an abundance of self-knowledge hard won through years of "oopsie" slips, I know to stay the hell away from demis, pushups, and plunges when it comes to picking a bra type. YMMV, of course.

The "Magic Wand" question. So hard to limit myself, but I know better than to check those three criteria and also "Pretty with lace." That'd be like asking molten chocolate cake to be full of fiber and low in calories.
Oh, hell no. You do not need to know my weight, you intrusive piece of software, you.

The Results
Too Cold
My first few matches are all from Playtex, and I simply refuse to consider them. I am not a fifty-year-old auntie. I cannot countenance wireless battleship breasts or triangular torpedo launchers. Cross-my-heart, these are two matronly motherfucking bras.

No. Just NO.
Too Hot
But hey, it's OK. Zafu's got lots of other suggestions, too.
Like, say, these frilly little numbers, which I know now I can consider the next time I want my chest to appear as though it's been stucco'd beneath my sweaters and stretch tops.

I suppose these would both be fine under a really heavy, nubbly cable-knit wool sweater...
Just Right
Ah! But finally! There, on pages 3 and 4 of my matches, a couple of my decades-long standbys! And lo and behold, Zafu knows exactly how they fit me.
Which is actually pretty impressive.
All true.
Again, scarily accurate.
And finally, to test for "bad fit," I submit the following flop of a purchase:
Who cares about a smooth fit when you're bouncing like oversized twin superballs? When the zafu text says "minimal support and shaping," ladies, take them at their word and run for the hills.
With your arms crossed across your chest.
Because otherwise it's going to hurt like hell.
Conclusion
Zafu is a wonderful virtual bra-fitter. Really.
MUCH better than the ever-scowling sixty-something department store fitters who'll fix the stink-eye on your old bra in the dressing room, tsk-tsk about the size you admit you've been wearing for years, and haughtily inform you that You Will Regret Not Investing In Good Bras Years From Now, Young Lady.
I'd be interested to hear from somebody about whether their pants/jeans engine is as good.
Update in Response to Comment Questions
Yes. You can narrow your results to bras
- with or without wires
- by brand name
- by coverage/style
- by cup size
- by special features
For the disturbingly curious, there are 5 non-underwire options listed for a 36DD rack:
- 3 Playtex (eyuw. Not going there.)
- 1 Anita (The amusingly named "Twin Air Comfort Wirefree" model--I picture the funbags floating a la space station)
- 1 Bali (The also amusingly named "Downtime Cool Stretch Wirefree," which, you know. Down. Yeah, that's a word you want to feature prominently when you're marketing a bra to women with big breasts.)


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I'm going to show her this post. It's about time she stop threaten people with her out of control chest region.
Here's my ultimate fantasy. I want a remote control that I can aim at the television when I'm watching something and see an item of clothing I want to purchase. I want to click "Buy," and have an engine like Zafu communicate all my quirky size/shape details to a vendor, which will painlessly choose the right size and ship the item to me--OR, if I have made a horrid mistake and the item would look idiotic on me, said engine would say "Our analysis suggests you would be less than happy with the fit of this item. Do you want to proceed?"
Six times in the last week I have aimed my imaginary shopping remote at the screen--while watching Chuck, Dollhouse, Fringe, and something else I don't quite remember.
Wouldn't that be the most AWESOME business model, you crazy TV networks? Or maybe I'd aim the remote at the sexy refrigerator, or the flatware, or the martini glass? Everything on set for sale, just like in The Truman Show.
Freaky, you MUST let us know if Deven tries one of these out. Sporting goods stores, idiotic as they are, tend not to stock them, so she'll have to call around or just take the mail-order plunge (no pun intended) based on measurements.
I've had my share of brassiere-induced traumas, too, so I LOVE that you posted this; it's witty and well-done. Kudos!
You remind me; I need to stop at the nearest Ross at lunchtime; it's the only department store I've ever been in that not only has goodlooking bras in my size, it has PLENTY of them, and they are actually organized according to size on the racks! And deeply discounted! It's like BRA HEAVEN!
Thanks, rated.
www.barenecessities.com does, however, carry cup sizes up to K.
OOC: Does this site ever recommend La Perla bras? They are. to. die.for. But you have to inherit a lot of money to afford more than a few.
Great job, and not one loose boob among them...except maybe Mr. Comedy.
(Mister, I know you're sizing up the underthings of both genders, you wacky man, but you know what I mean. And M. Chariot is of course too much the gentleman to weigh in.)
:-)
(I especially liked the "run for the hills" line.)
Great post. I will bookmark it! Rated, too.
So, I was thinking, in the photo I saw of you from the race you seemed to cut a rather more petite figure than I recalled from having seen you in real life - now I know why. Let us all praise Enell!
Also, did you know that Zafu is also the term for a type of pillow one may sit on for meditation? If not, now you do.
Finally, I'd say someone made a great marketing decision to call it the Lil Yette instead of the Lil Yeti.
::ducks::
(I figure if any man gets to see my boobs enrobed in the matronly glory that is the Playtex Cross-Your-Heart Bra, he better have the good goddamn sense to count himself lucky and not bitch about my Grandma bra. When he hauls around two bags of fat, fluid, and nerves on his damn chest, he can decide how to support 'em.)
Yes, Lonbud, thanks indeed for the Enell.
Freaky, if Rob starts a line of bras, I must be the beta tester. :-)
But I do sympathize. Even my itty-bitty 32 B's take to jumping around with a mind of their own when I jog or run or do kick boxing without properly harnessing them first.
When I first started (speed) walking, after my breast surgery, I learned the hard way that they had to be all but glued down to prevent discomfort. I still have a vision of me running through Point Dume (when my walk turned into a run because of a sudden downpour) holding my left breast in place with my hand. Lovely.
Uh, um...very informative.
Can you find something to wear under sun dresses that is not imitating teens who show their straps wantonly or is a t-shirt base which defeats the purpose of a sun dress.
sincerely,
Too Hawt for my clothes
That first one? The plunging minimizer with the smooth cups? Make it black and its my dream bra.
I love you.
PS: I enjoyed your post.
Rated!
http://www.amazon.com/Lilyette-Womens-Tailored-Minimizer-Black/dp/B0010W5D5E/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=apparel&qid=1241468187&sr=8-3
Please keep us abreast on how you are doing!
Thanks for posting this, I'll check it out.
Also, Wacoal makes some of the best bras on the market, especially for us small-frame-large-chest girls, IMO.
As I get older it may become necessary to wear bras more often and maybe a girdle.
I await your girdle article.
Got the right bra and we're all thrilled. And low and behold we all LOOK GREAT.
rated for well, the girls.
Pawed!
...Non-sequitur, you say? Au contrair. I just realized that he really meant to title the work _Living with the Bra._ All the same drama, pain, chafing. I'll never listen to it the same way again.
dang, verbal, you make me glad to be an uncomplicated man.
ManTalk, I forgot to pat your lovely head for being a nice wolf. Good boy. Good boy.
For the record I do own one La Perla (it's a demi, sadly: a gift from my mother-in-law...don't ask) and while I like the idea of Natori, they are of the "sheer but no support or shaping" school for me. Wacoals' underwires tend to rest too low on my ribcage and the Zafu "how it fits you" advice does note this. I don't know how they figure all this out!
Mr. Busse: Girdle post. Check. Will slot conveniently on my docket between "Stabbing my own eyes out with a Fondue Fork" post and "The day I immersed my right hand in boiling oil."
Shivaun, would love to hear back about how it worked for you.
uhm, yeah, bras- I've got about 14 of the same make and model- Karen and both wear them, even though I swear by looking at her she's got to be at least 2 cups larger- and does in no way shape or form pass the pencil test (which in my mind is a good thing- who wants to play with boobs that don't dangle and sway- no one I tell you, no one)
A post for the ages!......
The stucco comment actually made me guffaw, damn your amazing wit.
Maybe if i secret a well-fitting bra (though it's not working well for "clean house"). Um, I like the new Victoria's Secret something Jess bought me, no spillage thus far (though I do feel like someone has placed a vice in my underarm area).
Rated, you bright large-breasted beauty!
BTW: I am firmly of the opinion that the whole mythology surrounding big breasts is just that, myth. Americans don't like actual big breasts (except perhaps in porn). In real life, big breasts are terrible liability, professionally and socially, and are treated in the areas of clothing and undergarments as an actual deformity. On the other hand, TINY breasts are provided with all sorts of adorable little bras, things with lace and tiny bows, cute as could be. Bras for BIG breasts look like medical devices, are usually bright white, and full of hard seams, thick straps and so on. They look awful and feel awful on, and as pointed out, aren't even any good for sports.
What I wanted, what I still want, is a pretty functional bra that gives good support, looks smooth under clothes and is COMFORTABLE.
Sadly, the only way I could get this was....breast reduction surgery. It's not for everyone -- there is pain involved and a lifetime of scars that don't completely go away. But in the end, you have normal size breasts and that means you can wear NORMAL BRAS and normal size blouses and swim suits, and be comfortable. It's a trade off and it is one I made gladly. I think far more women would do it if they full realized what a godsend it is and what a miracle every day to pop on a soft pretty comfortable undergarment without hard wires and seams, to wear any sort of top or blouse and to run, jump, swim, dance and play without having two slabs of heavy tissue rubbing or flopping against your chest. Oh, and did I mention no miserable sweating in the summer? and no weird skin rashes under your breasts? And being able to buy a bra, on sale or in a catalog, in pink or lavender or peach, WITHOUT TRYING IT ON, because you are now easy to fit?
BTW, any decent health insurance policy will pay for a breast reduction.
That being said: I read nothing here about FRONT CLOSING BRA's...I find them by far the most comfortable and easy to put on. They were the norm for many years, but about 10 years ago started to disappear and now it is hard to find them. I think they fit better, too. I've been keeping some "oldies" but they are wearing out, and I hate to replace them with back-closing bras.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8PhP3yIlRw
I've never experienced a problem with cup fit, but when the cup is right, the circumference strap often cuts, under my armpits. I'll check it out. Hell! Now I'm hearin' Anne Margaret signin', "I Enjoy Being a Girl" in my head. Hrrrumph!
--rated--
Just wanted to join in singing the praises of Wacoal though--if it works for women with actual breasts as well as for me, it must be a most excellent brand indeed.
And I also hate the people who want to measure you. I'm an adult; I can decide which clothes to buy, thanks. Besides which, I actually wear a smaller size than I measure into. If I bought the size bra I measure into, it would hang away from my body and twist around all day. No thanks.
thanks!
You know, the problem that I have is very annoying. I'm short. And no matter how much I adjust the strap ... well ... I've actually resorted to tying the straps in knots before. Seriously.
http://open.salon.com/blog/juliet_waters/2009/01/02/my_new_years_miracle
Perla, Natori, Playtex, Lilyette, Wacoal, Victoria's Secret, Wolford, Olga, Smoothe Cups, Zafu.
Off to find the perfect fit. Thanks for this very well written piece, VR - I absolutely hate shopping for bras.
Rated!
What about one side a tad larger than the other side?
Rated, most def.
I am happy to give my full support to Verbal Remedy along with my congratulations and thanks for her uplifting post. My breasts thank you too. Did I mention that previously? Oh well, it's worth repeating.
and don't f*ck with me about being back at this post at this time of night. it was a purely academic exercise. rob will back me up, i'm sure of it.
That said, if I HAD stopped thinking so much about shape variations I would have had time to be a NASA astronaut or a paleontologist by now. Sigh.
Ladies who wondered about sorting results: I've just added a final screenshot, and yes, you can find wireless bras (3G internet service extra) in the large cup range, at least at my ribcage dimension. You can also sort for other specific functions. My favorite is "Stop the Back fat."
Lonnie, had you NOT been here at that hour, I'd have been disappointed.
Jimmy can open his eyes now.
Malusinka, I buy for the larger, not the smaller. Better to have some cup-pucker on the little side than be spilling out and lumpy on the larger.
Laurel962: PREACH it, sistah. Yeah, big boobs are worshipped in gentlemen's magazines and gas station calendars, but try dressing yourself with them sometime. Next series of "Project Runway," I want them to pick 12 big-breasted Open Salon bloggers and make the damned designers make clothes that actually take our build into account, instead of all the walking clothes racks they tend to use. :-D
rwnutjob, you made me laugh (and lived up to your name).
Off to read Juliet's bra blog and smiling sweetly at Greg.
Waving at ablonde. Hoping she'll put one of her new "finds" on after she's done shopping so I can stop worrying somebody at work will see her avatar...
A recent conversation with my wife enlightened me to the trials and tribulations associated with searching for the perfect bra. I will pass along this information to her.
Rated – for research
thank you!!
God, Verbal, this was a scream to read, and so accurately portrays what we women have to endure in our quest to comfortably secure our lady parts. I'm with you: just say NO to those Viking-strength Playtex bras. ::shudder::
RATED for breasteses in bras.
I personally hate bra shopping and still haven't found the perfect on. Yet, I also hate to go bra-less (bras keep me warm). Sometimes I just wish I didn't have to think about them. It's such a weird thing that we spend so much time on these parts, huh?
But I love that they ask not just if you can hold a pencil under there but how many ! Also that they say "scooped breasts" vs. what my best friend called them growing up: "saggy baggy breasts."
You could just do without the things. Think of the time and money you'd save. Plus, I'm sure thousands of men would prefer it that way :-)
But seriously folks........
This is good information for us "total creep" guys. The bras which are too tight help us guys to see what is pointing through, and the ones which are too loose add more bounce to the ounce, and often yield an even better view when looking down a top.
Luv, luv, luv the two that came home with me. Wacoal fits like a charm, not to mention sexy, light-weight and beautiful. This brand, by the way, is the only one I've found that issues a 1-year , total replacement guarantee. That's impressive.
Love this post. And thanks.
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