Verbal Remedy AKA Denise

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OCTOBER 22, 2009 4:45PM

I don't care what you paid for it; it's worth crap now.

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   2295sac995

Paid $2,999; Sacrifice only $995!

Really? You paid that much for...that?

Were you off your antipsychotics at the time?


Dear delusional (and frequently illiterate) Craigslisters,

I don't care how much you originally paid for the old, ugly, beaten-up, worn, frayed, cracked, stained, bent, used things you're trying to sell.

Neither does anybody else.

Here's a basic economic truth: used things are worth exactly what somebody is willing to pay for them. That price has nothing to do with the amount of cash you plunked down when they were shiny and new.

Take this dresser, for example. It's part of the whole bedroom set, you assure us, with a matching sleigh bed and a nightstand too. (I've seen a similar set for sale in the "Furniture By Dealer" section for $795, by the way.)

You proceed to whine  inform us that you paid $2000 for it all just last year at Overpriced Furniture, Inc. on Miramar Rd. So, naturally it must follow, I suppose, that the set is WAY worth $800. In your mind.

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Dude. Seriously.

I mean, I love how you've really captured the essence of this ho-hum, mass--produced MDF box. (Hey, the baseball caps--do those come with the dresser? Because they ought to. They really tie the look together.)

Anyway, I wish you the best of luck recouping your loss, but I won't be surprised to see you post again, four days before you've got to be out of the apartment, begging somebody--anybody--just to please come take it all away for $100. Or for Free. (The end-of-the-month Free ads are the best.)


Exhibit B is this vaguely Italianate dining monstrosity.

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You list it as "Elegant and Classy" in the headline. I agree; it appears to have been salvaged from a very high-class whorehouse. Look at the way those intricately carved tree trunks are strategically placed in such a way that nobody (and I mean nobody) will ever be able to fit their own legs under the table.

You furthermore choose to confess (in front of God, Craig, and Everybody) that you paid $3,500 for this.

Wow.

That is not something to be proud of, sir or ma'am. For that amount of money, you certainly could have afforded a TRULY Elegant and Classy table that doesn't look like it was constructed out of reject tombstones.

No matter how much you paid, I can assure you, ain't nobody gonna give you $995 to take this tragic misstep of taste off your hands. 


As to the matter of the giant hot tub you purchased at the Del Mar Fair a decade or so ago; yes, yes, yes. At the time, it was state of the art. Alpine stereo, Bose Speakers, blah blah blah. Also, it was...new.

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3500

Now?

Not so much.

Let me give you some perspective here, sir/ma'am.

About two years ago now, J. and I acquired a giant hot tub from Craigslist. 9' x 12'. It's practically a swimming pool. We could house a small dolphin in it, if push came to shove. I'm talking BIG.

And you know what?

It was a bitch to transport--required two specially hired, very large, very strong men to extract from the back yard of the seller, carefully roll it across the lawn, down the driveway, onto a truck, and then slowly drive it across town before gingerly, gently moving it off the truck again to place it (in one piece) onto its own specially-poured, rebar-enhanced cement pad.

We ended up paying the seller exactly what we paid the spa movers--$500.

Regardless of the fact that you paid $15,000 for the thing new, there's little-to-no chance that you're going to get $3500 for this thing.

You'll be lucky if somebody offers to come take it off your hands for $750. Really.


In short: I'm sorry you paid $2500 for this sectional. No, really, I am. It's big and sloppy looking, and no, I will not take the purchase price into account when I'm deciding whether to take it off your hands. You and your family did god-knows-what on this thing for god-knows-how-long.

$500 is not a "sacrifice" price for a used piece of upholstered furniture.

"Sacrifice" would be $200.

I'd probably offer you that, but your ad very specifically shrieks "NO LOWBALL OFFERS!!! SERIOUS BUYERS ONLY!!!"

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Good luck, and let me know how that works out for you. 


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Finally, I'm sure you and your friends looked Classy and Elegant indulging in this hookah on the three occasions you tell us it was used.

Why, though, do you feel the need to point out you paid $350 for it?

If somebody's in the market for a hookah pipe of their own, I figure for the $175 you're asking, they could step into any dark, incense-smelling smoke shop in town and get one that your lips haven't touched. 

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I'm giving up and buying everyhing new. The "But I originally paid X!" hostility is bad enough, but when you combine it with a haughty "I can't deliver--you'll have to find a way to move it," suddenly paying retail for something I actually like doesn't seem all that outrageous.
I agree. First off, these people could be lying about what they paid, anyway. Secondly, if it ain't worth it, it ain't worth it.
and, as we can tell from your lovely photos, might have been worth crap then, too.

new is good, especially if someone's lips (eeeewww) or ... something might have been on that "previously owned" one.
High-class whorehouse - and that's a *nice* way of describing the tables and chairs. I could just picture that in some piece-o-crap overpriced McMansion.

Used hookah? Yeah, right. People really will try to sell anything and everything.
It's not just used things . . . everything is worth only what someone is willing to pay for it! Craigslist--I spend WAY too much time there/
Yep. When you get your stuff "as is," you get it "as is."
Yes. Exactly. And with houses, too.
(UK, I've had some satisfactory CL transactions as well. But some of these ads are...genuinely jaw-dropping.)
This is a person whom I would gently suggest that not only does time march on, but prices march DOWN.

Rated.
Rated for the reality check!
Salvation Army Boutique does it for me. Craigslist is more trouble than it's worth.
Love the sarcasm: R
I thought Craigslist was for dating. That's what Buffy said! Now I know why I've never been on there. It turns out I don't just hate stores; I hate shopping of all kinds. {{{ R }}} for Resourceful, VR!
Love it, VR! Especially the self-portrait in the bureau mirror, and your fabulously snarky comments. Thanks for a big laugh.
Too funny. Craigslist makes me laugh every time I go out there...what a great post. (Rated).
It's the old thing, it's only worth what someone will pay for it. This post is very good, cool!
The sellers deserve every drip of your sarcasm.
Major tag sales. See it and take it. Especially late in the day.
I'm going to Home Depot and building a sofa. Shoot.

Who knows how many beer farts are in those old sofas?

Rated for eye opening and hilarious. Zumapick for encouraging finding bargains on fresh furniture!
New things are only worth what people are willing to pay for them too. Of course I am saying that while sitting at a genuine antique bankers desk that I picked up for free becasue I was willing to haul it out of the banks basement when they moved their offices.
Oh for the love of Pete! People are selling their hookah's now? Times must really be tough!
And what are we supposed to DO at a table that looks like it was made from reject tombstones-- smoke our second-hand hookah?
Just because you were stupid enough to pay that much for it when it was new is no reason I have to be dumb enough to pay your asking price for it now!

Hilarious post, Verbal

But I'm glad I haven't ever bought thins off of Craig's list!
Rated
Is "The Dump" national? Amazing prices for great stuff. I'd buy new, especially since you need special, um, petite sizes, right? Hilarious post... I wouldn't even touch the picture of that sectional.
Love the snarky comments. Thanks for some chuckles on this lovely day. Oh, hey, I have this orange thing that is round that is precious that I have to sacrifice because my rent is due... Call me!
Oh, Craigslist has furniture too? My jaw drops...I found beautiful, genuine European....oh wait, you mean furniture. Try auctions in small towns...furniture is not expensive at all...and usually antique.
I like old things and when I check out Craigslist, I only look at stuff that is in my price range. I bought a mid-century real wood dresser with beautiful arched mirror 2 weeks ago for 50.00. I am going to retile the top, but it's in perfect condition. If I ever get a digital camera, I'll post a picture of that and the headboard I found by the dumpster. I also bought a small '80s oak dinette set from Craigslist for 125.00 that suits me just fine. I jazzed it up a little, again I need to post photos. sorry it's not working out for you, but I like craigslist. The lady I bought the dinette set from delivered it for free. And she did not murder me, yay. Craigslist is kind of like garage sales. Some people do not know what they have, and some people think everything they have is golden. You gotta weed them out.
My stomach was lurching from the used hookah and then Zuma had to mention beer farts. I need a Tums. You, as always, are devastating.
Two words: consignment stores.
so...do you want my dining room suite?
I hear you can get piggy flu from used hookahs... yuckie!
Bad taste is always expensive in the long run.

I have had wonderful luck selling stuff on Craigslist myself, but part of it is having the right stuff. I sold a telescope and a computer.

I dumped a Nordic Trac for $10 at Second Hand Sports, though. Some things are worth what they are worth. Indeed.
Glad I stopped by for this one!
this was a hoot! the h ran a garage sale for some very wealthy friends, and we had a good time snarking about how she wanted 9 cents on the dollar to reocup her investment. Her attitude was very startled, as in , "But *I* paid so much for it, I'm not about to let *you* cheapen it's worth to me by getting something as crass as a 'deal'!"
Hilarious post, and I'm glad you're buying new. But what do I know? I'm the girl who wants to re- upholster the furniture in every hotel room I've ever stayed in.
Your CL finds are priceless....I laughed my ass off reading your witty commentary! My favorite was the "elegant and classy" dining room set. I especially loved how low the chairs were in comparison to the height of the table. I imagine feeling as if I'm sitting just off the floor with the table jacked up to chin height....
I laughed all the way through this.

I love to laugh.

I love you. oops.
*snort*

I have this same rant...only it's about houses that people insanely overpaid for here in Calif in the past several years and now think that asking $100-150k over what the market will bear for them is "coming down in price" and "making a sacrifice." One near us sat o the market at insanely high price for 9 months, went off the market for a few months and is now back on...a bit lower but still $150k over what it's worth in this market. Oh, but you know, they changed realtors. right. That was the problem!
"I can assure you, ain't nobody gonna give you $995 to take this tragic misstep of taste off your hands. "

Actually I would dispute that claim. If it were on my hands I'd be inclined to pay a good deal to have it removed. But that's just me.
Laugh, I am probably the only person who would love to have that dining set :) course, I would have to love it in the basement, because, I'm pretty sure that much weight would go right through this floor.
Some of my favorite things cost me $1 to $5 at a yard sale. Whatever they are worth now, they were always something that I could thoroughly wash or clean.

When I do Craigslist I do keyword searches and use the old minus sign in front of words like 'sacrifice' because I am not sympathetic, I am just looking for something in particular, like a queen bedframe for our guest room that my guests would enjoy and looks good with what is already in the room. So far, everyone wants me to pay too much for their used stuff, even if I like it. I'm waiting.
Hey girl. Taste is very subjective, isn't it. You find that out by watching decorating and home selling shows on television:) I would LOVE to help you shop for furniture and agree that y0u should buy what you want new. Be careful, shop well, get what you really want and then live with it. These people made some serious mistakes, it is clear, and now want us to take them off their hands:)
I'm glad you didn't find my candy-apple blue bass guitar.
I guess I'm lucky the folks on Craigslist around here don't have such classy items available...I'd be too tempted to rush right out and buy them!
heh heh Having just moved, I remember advertising really great stuff on craigslist for the grand price of FREE to come and cart it off. And still, I had to beg someone to take away an old, heavy desk that my parents gave me. Beg. Seriously.

I was impressed with the fact that I advertised 14 boxes of books for free if someone would come get them and ... they were gone by the next day. All of them. Even though the desk remained.
Snarkalicious!
I love the terrible photos on CL--that first one you have up there--really? They couldn't spend 2 minutes clearing their personal shit off and maybe take the pic from a different angle or turn off the flash?

@Cindy Ross: I'll give you $5.00
This mind set, the one that causes people to ask for millions of dollars for something worth 10, is exactly what makes my mom send me box after box of her old clothes. "Do you know how much that skirt cost in 1975 before it was full of moth holes and mouse poop?"
As an inveterate Goodwill Shopper, I am tempted to jump on each and every one of these bargains -- with both feet!!
Another man's junk is.....junk.
Economists call it the fallacy of sunken cost - what you paid and what you put into something, be it a 1982 Dodge Duster, a horse paddock or a middle east war of choice, determines its value. If only...
Hilarious!! Oh the stuff people try and sell and for the money they want for them is outrageous.
Now as for myself I pick up antique pieces dirt cheap, refinish them and sell them at very expensive price sometimes. Mostly because they are restored antiques and I make them into master pieces. It is one of my favorite hobbies.
I enjoy reading this and got many chuckles and laughs out of the things you said. Great post..
VM, this was hilarious! As a fellow SoCaler who is in the process of selling a HUGE chunk of his crappy overpriced possessions I'm relieved to see none of my ads showed up in your entry.
I'm always explaining this concept to someone or other: It doesn't MATTER what you paid for it, that's in the past. Get over it. It's worth what you can get for it. Okay, perhaps not always explaining. But I would be, if someone asked.
That tombstone table. Wow.

Wow.

Wow.

The first dining room set isn't bad, but it ain't worth what they paid and/or are asking for it.
I am never gonna buy nothingen. Nope, nver.Well.
, maybe perhapsa beer. Yep!
I was in Seattle two summers ago, and ended up renting an apartment for five months. Furnished the whole damned place for $300 from the GoodWill on 8th and 65th. Nicely. Actually really nicely. (although I rented a steam cleaner from the local Safeway for the gorgeous sofa that I paid twenty bucks for and got the mattress from my son.)

It REALLY blew us away! I got Bell-jeeck (phonetic spelling here) pans and an african-print reading chair right out of the hot design magazines. $300 for the whole shebang.

Great great post about how short-sighted and flat-out tasteless many sellers are.
Isnt it always in the eye of the beholder
Oh, Verbal, you missed my garage sale from Hell last summer. 4 yrs after my divorce my ex decided he did not want anything that had been put in storage before he moved to Singapore and bought all new. I kid you not, a moving van pulled into my driveway, and my sister and I sold the entire contents the next day! Tools, sofas, dining room set, yard goodies, lawn mowers, dishes.... you name it! I practically gave that stuff away so I wouldn't have to look at it another day. Wish you had been there!!! You would have loved it!
Rated but only if you show us YOUR Craigslist Ads. I bet they are entertaining...
This is pretty hateful, actually.
People want to buy for next to nothing and sell for more than they paid for it. Would you take less if I pay in cash?
Just for your amusement, there's someone in the New Orleans area trying to sell a used IKEA loveseat (retail: $349) for $350. No, they can't deliver.
You're so right! The only used thing I would ever pay more than $100 for is a car, and it would have to have undergone a "detailed" cleaning before I'd get into it, which in itself costs about a hundred bucks. Used furniture for real money? Get serious. The environment is overwrought with "stuff" that others want out of their house, and as you say, it's a blessing if they find someone who'd pay movers and get heavy stuff off their hands, let alone pay them for it. Great post! I follow suit with all the others who have rated you.
Eh - the daughter and I do yard sales, and estate sales, and Goodwill, having been on a severe budget for the last couple of years, even before the economic downturn hit everyone else. I just don't think I will ever be able to bring myself to pay full retail price again for anything, after having picked up so many nice little bits of this or that for practically pennies.
Or even nothing at all - every six months, they have a bulk trash pickup in our neighborhood, and I have a garden full of plants, and containers and garden-art that I picked out of the trash...
Okay, smarty pants. What if I told you Tori Spelling sat on that sectional? Feeling kinda stupid now, eh?
Seriously funny. I even made my husband read this and even though I'm in a Stumble upon addiction phase and he's completely totally had enough of me calling him to check out something he HAS to see. So we were completely laughing along till you got to the hot tub thing and you totally blew your cover man.

Seriously dude. A. hot. tub. Unlike the Italianate table which is at least a poor distant facsimile of an actually useful item ,a hot tub by definition is just purest total crap. I bet you used it like ONE TIME tops. I'm sure the Italianate table people did better than that even though their knees were killing them. And as for citing the original purchase price (which I agree is just annoying) let's face it,hot tubs are such intensely useless crappy pieces O'shit that the original price, the subsquent prices are abso-fucking-lutely irrelevant, because at the end of the day the only price that really matters it's just the price to get that appalling lump of laminate out of your yard that counts.
What a hoot - and here I am getting ready to post my motorcycle on Craigslist. I've bought a motorcycle and gotten a job based on Craigslist postings, but I must admit the idea of listing what I paid for an item never even occurred to me. What I paid has absolutely nothing to do with the price I am willing to take to part with it.

Thanks for a very entertaining piece. Rated.
Word up. I'm a big yard sale gal and am constantly getting into similar...conversations with people who think they're junk precious.

"Hey, the baseball caps--do those come with the dresser? Because they ought to. They really tie the look together."

I love sarcasm. It makes me feel warm inside! Especially when its nice and barbed like the above.
Funny! Very funny! One man's junk is another man's treasure? Not in this life.
my mom is/was an e-bay addict. She'd continuously purchase "bargains."

"This is worth $3000 - I got it for $1500!" she'd enthuse.

"No, mom, it's worth $1500 - that's the most anyone (you) were willing to pay for it."

As much as I tried to explain, "if no one bid higher than you, where do you think you'll be able to sell it for more?" it was all in vain.
@tomreedtoon: "I suppose it's cute to make fun of people trying to make a little money in this economic depression."

not knowing the circumstances, you're not qualified to make that remark any more than I am in saying, if you paid that much for that crap, perhaps there's a reason you need cash now. Some people fall on hard times, some are pigs who just want their money back.

"I hope as you dumpster-dive to find your daily bread (full of roaches and mold) you can maintain your same sense of superiority and snobbery."

I'm sorry, _who's_ got a sense of superiority and snobbery? A) they're on Craig's, not in the dumpster (yet); B) no one's looking for bread, just a table to put it on; C) some people make a pretty good living pulling things from the trash and getting someone else to pay for them (apply that analogy as you see fit)
oh verbal.. ive missed reading you.. why did i stay away for so long..
its an amazing coincidence that i was just about to head towards the lists to look for things like bunk beds and what not. I completely agree with you and if i were to ever post ads there.. with the exception of roses of course I would try an screw anyone over. thats for damn sure..
its the same with garage sales.. do you seriously think that im gonna spend more than a quarter or fifty cents on a shirt i know that you 4 year smeared spagetti all over.. i dont care how well you shouted it out.. that child probably snotted all over it.. if i wanted to spend money on new stuff ild be buying new stuff now your used stuff that i dont care if my kids roll in the mud in.. thats why they are play clothes! really now.
I sell network and computer equipment and own my own business.

I got this letter from e-bay wanting us to setup a business account to sell stuff. I think that it might work and occasionally we are stuck with stuff that a client either decides they don't want, or we get from a client. E-bay helpfully includes a list of actual items that have sold during the past 30 days.

A lot of networking equipment, Cisco stuff, and a few servers.

I start thinking that this could be good and then start comparing the sell prices to our cost.

If I did that too much, we'd be out of business... Everything is selling for below our cost. Everything...

No thanks, E-bay, I have enough of a hard time keeping my business open without your help. We have sold some things on E-bay but we've also had a lot of stuff that didn't sell too.

I am amazed at how cheap people are, and even locally the number of business that went to the local Circuit City and bought the 'open box' equipment and tried to run their businesses with it. (Mostly lawyers too)

Its pretty disheartening trying to keep a business open when people are selling knockoff/counterfeit/stolen junk for less than your cost and people are actually preferring to buy stuff that way...

But yeah, the ads in E-bay and Craig's List are sometimes a hoot and I've been burned buying stuff off E-bay which is why I don't anymore. As times are getting tough, people are resorting to all kinds of trickery to get money. It's sad...