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MARCH 24, 2010 12:34PM

Grandma's 5 Tips To Save Hundred$ Each Year

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With proactive apologies to stellaa, inspired by a conversation with Grandma, and because a friend has recently started a spreadsheet that tracks every single watt of electricty consumed by every single appliance/device in the house...

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The Kill-A-Watt: So You'll Know How Much Keeping Your Laptop Running All The TIme Really Costs

I've given a bit of thought to those "Stop Wasting Your Money" articles you tend to find tucked between new car spreads and full-page heart medication ads in magazines like Money and Fortune and Budget Travel and Peek-a-Pug Owner Monthly.

Generally, the tips are sound...mathematically, at least. They're supposed to heighten awareness, I guess, of how little things add up to a lot over time, and to enlighten/shame you into changing your habits.

Because you're doing something stupid right now, see. 

The advice will fix how you live. Straighten you up. Put you on the path of virtue. Put an end to your profligate ways once and for all.

  • "Skip the daily latte and save $1300 a year!"
  • "Don't buy magazines and books! Borrow them from the library! But walk there, don't drive! Because gasoline costs money! Amortized and calculated and compounded at 6% interest over the course of the next 30 years, you could retire with an extra $450,000 if you just stopped your subscriptions to Money and Fortune and Budget Travel and Peek-a-Pug Owner Monthly today!"
  • "Don't just switch off lights and appliances--unplug them! HUNDREDS of dollars leak out of your wallet every year through power cords!"

I could go on, but I suspect you know what I'm talking about.


Reading articles like these always remind me of talking to Grandma.  Just last night, for example.

"Hi, Grandma!"

"Oh, hello. Is that a new top?"

"Yes."

"Don't buy any more clothes! Save your money!"

"Grandma, this top was $12 at Marshall's and as I've ..."

"You don't need any more clothes!"

"...actually, Grandma, I do, because I've lost all that weight in the last year and all my old clothes were four sizes too big..."

"The old clothes were just fine!"

"Not when they threatened to reveal my preference for bikini vs. briefs any time I stood up, they weren't. But. Anyway, yes, Grandma, I was really careful and shopped smart and now I've got some new, inexpensive clothes that fit me perfectly, and I have enough now."

"Well, don't buy any more. You need to save your money."

"Yes, Grandma."

"And save the old ones. You might grow back into them."

Sigh.

"I already got rid of all the old ones, Grandma."

"But they were still good!"

"Good for somebody four sizes larger than me."

"You might gain a few pounds back."

"No, Grandma, that's not in the plan...uhm. Why is this pot holder charred and melted in three places? Did it catch on fire?!"

"Oh, that happened years ago! I should throw it away."

(She never throws anything away.)

"How did it catch on fire, Grandma? You have a flat electric cooktop..."

"Oh, I don't know. Here. Give it to me. I'll throw it away."

"About the FIRE, Grandma..."

"There. I threw it away."


(I just know she went back and picked it out of the garbage after everybody went home.)

Grandma, as I've mentioned before, lived through the Great Depression. At 92, she's still living in many ways as though it's 1935. 

I can understand why that early life experience shaped her so deeply. Honestly, I can. But I've met other people her age who are not pathologically frugal, so I also know that others of her generation have managed to allow the 70+ years they've lived post-Depression to balance out the ten years of Depression and keep things in a bit of perspective.

Anyway. Here they are. 5 Tips.

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Tip #1:  Never, ever get rid of anything, no matter how old, tattered, torn, burnt, faded, or broken it may be.  Use every item until it's held together in three places by sheer force of will, six pieces of off-brand scotch tape, and seventeen strained molecules of its original fabric, metal, plastic, or wood.

Tip #2: Hoard replacement items for the worn-out, shredded items you're keeping on life support per Tip #1. Buy them on sale. Leave them in their original wrapping.  That way if you need to, you can return them, even fifteen years after you bought them. Keep ten to twenty brand new washcloths, towels, blouses, skirts, pants, socks, underwear, shower curtains, dishrags, bedspreads, and sheets stashed away "for good." Do not define when/what "good" is. On rare occasions when you do open one, ignore your family's dismayed comments about your stylish "new" harvest gold and avocado green pot-holders.

Tip #3Buy one-ply toilet paper. Generic. At the Dollar Store. There is absolutely no reason to indulge in ass-wiping material that doesn't cause abrasions. Tough it up and develop callouses where it counts. (You could save HUNDREDS of dollars a year!) Better yet, question the need for toilet paper at all. Muse out loud that when your kids were little, there were no disposable diapers, that you pre-washed them by hand in the toilet and then boiled them in a big pot on the stove, and that flushing all that paper down the toilet seems wasteful sometimes. Do not elaborate further.

Tip #4: When it comes to birthdays and holidays, re-gift like a madwoman. Maybe they won't notice that the strawberry-scented lotion you put in a gift bag is perhaps just a little bit used. (Heck, even if you didn't like the smell, maybe they will). They may also not notice that the package design on the bath salts you just gave them is, er, vintage--from an era when "Calgon, Take Me Away!" was a hot, happening slogan.  Believe with all your heart that a $5 bottle of olive oil plucked from your pantry says "I love you." (It's OK, Grandma. We know it does.)

Tip #5: Double-Knit Topstitched Polyester is Always In Style! When you need to get dressed up for a family wedding (or birthday party, or funeral), vocally and violently resist all efforts to take you shopping for a new dress. You have enough clothes! Reach for Old Faithful--that lime green pantsuit you've been photographed in thirty-seven times in the last forty years.


Oh, hell. I could go on. But why?

Everybody knows I'll never succeed at Saving My Money. And that's OK. I've already decided to die broke. In debt, actually. Making monthly minimum payments on as many credit cards as the financial institutions are stupid enough to let me have. I've got no heirs. No reason to stockpile cash. I'm going to screech across the finish line with the needle on Empty.

Why, just this morning I made myself $1300 poorer.

I got a latte. 

Yes, I did, and I will get a Latte again. And again. And again.

You know what's really going to take a bite out of my savings, though?

The medical bills and copays after I trip, fall, and break my leg in the dark while on a fool's errand to try to locate the power cord to the lamp I unplugged last night to save $56 a year. 

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I so agree. I do enjoy my latte. I also like new clothes. I compromise with my budget situation by shopping mainly at Target. Although that place is evil. I have to go in there with a plan. Or it's financial curtains.
Your G'ma and one of mine are on the short list of long lost sibs separated by the Great Depression. Balls of 'tin foil', string, gluey rubberbands, and newspapers. "Gram, they don't have paper drives anymore. You don't need to tie them up in bundles like that".

Fav line ...
crap. Fav line is screeching across the finish line on empty. - that and the last paragraph - I can see it now.
Any figures available for the difference between buying them and making them yourself? See, I don't have to rush about to work anymore so I can haul out my 5 dollar espresso maker and do it myself. I was raised by depression kids so I know only the cheap way. Sure, I'm still broke, but, I don't worry about it much anymore. Hell the holes in these jeans aren't going to show anything important and since I wear the boxers, I'm almost styling when you can see the bright red and green plaids.
Lord love the gluey rubber bands, Gabby. Does yours wear them on her wrist, like bracelets? :-)

Odette, I'm actually more an online shopper for the very reasons you mention--if I do enter a brick/mortar I'm far more likely to emerge with things that later beg the question, "WHY?"

Bob...plaid? Really? Plaid?
Oh, boy. I think your grandmother and my mother's family were separated at birth. When my Aunt Mary died, she had a closet full of the most beautiful clothes with the tags still on. Why? Because when my sister and I would suggest she wear one of them, she'd say, "Oh, that's too good to wear."

I wonder why she bought them?
Yup, and flannel too.
We actually do turn off our furnace sometime in April and don't turn it back on until late September or even sometime in May. Our natural gas bill was reduced by around 50%.

My grandmother went through the depression too, but as a young mother. She taught us all to be thrifty and to cook from scratch because it's cheaper and tastes better. I am now on my third expresso machine because we make our own. I have a latte any time I like.

Having some skills helps with keeping a thrifty home away from the ascetic end of the spectrum.

Those loose power cords kill more old ladies than just about anything else. And everyone thinks its an accident...
That's my girl! You've proven yet again...It's definitely NATURE over NURTURE! (sorry about the $-clueless gene) ;0)
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Wow, not May, I meant October.
This gave me a laugh about finances on a morning when I very much needed it, so thanks. xo
My current retirement plan is to work until I die. It's not my favorite idea, but at least I'm not a professional ditch-digger . . .
ha! I'm afraid I resemble your grandmother a bit. But then I was raised by parents who would be older than she is if they were still alive. Having made their way in the world as young adults during the Depression, they were forever frugal. Well, actually, my mother was and over time she converted my father to it. But both of them always had habits (like that saving of odd things) that could seem mystifying when you haven't lived through a calamity that had a third of the country unemployed and standing in bread lines etc. What we're going through now is nothing compared to that.
i've long suspected (from experience with my elders) that some of this peenchy-ness, as we call it, creeps into otherwise spendy folks (like you and me) just because of (horrors) aging.

so every time i catch myself thinking i could save that skimpier than half a serving of _____ for lunch tomorrow, i immediately throw it down the garbage disposal, burn a few cents' worth of electricity grinding it away and go buy a new pair of shoes.
Now, don't forget to package your re-gifts in old gift bags that are printed with decorations for an opposing holiday, say, a Christmas bag for a birthday, or, go with the old standby, the "funny papers" from the 1972 Sentinel....you know, they are a beautiful shade of yellow.....
We take after your Grandma in many, many ways (I bet she'd love Cheap Bastid...and Mrs. Cheap Bastid even more).
And, I agree with Bobbitt...at least give up the lattes (or take them down to 1 or 2 a week as a deserved treat rather than indulgence). We make one large pot of coffee a day and it costs us about 30 cents a day.
And by the way we've got a whole drawer in the kitchen filled with those little plastic doohickeys used on bread bags and twist-ties. But, I quit saving margarine containers. Life is nasty when you've got 8 of them in the fridge and go in the fridge looking for BlueBonnet (89 cents) only to discover that you have no margarine and 8 containers of various colors of penicilin which used to be actual food.
Good post, Denise. It's obvious that you love and indulge your Grandma and that you're more like her than either of you would ever admit, but that you're proud of it just the same.
I have this big ball of twine that doubles as emergency toilet paper.
I have learned never to get rid of towels. No one wants your old towels until your kids are moving out of the house--they want new stuff from Target anyway. However, when the shower starts on its very own (which has happened to us twice), 20 old towels are worth their soggy weight in gold.

I don't understand the drawer full of dry pens though--I will sit in your house and throw out every dried up pen I find. It's my new service "Pen Lady!"
Have you SEEN the economic forecasts lately? Maybe GMa is on to something... (r)
I know of what you speak--my mother will be 80 years old in May.
Her "tupperware" collections consists of a mash-up of old margarine tubs. I do love her dearly.
;-)
This was wonderful. I had an elderly aunt who refused to go out and eat. It was a terrible waste of money. Everytime I go out to eat I think of this and feel guilty. About three times a week. Rated.
We used to mock my mom's frugality, until we all benefited from the inheritance she left her 6 children and her 15 grandchildren. Her bequests began with money for trips to Europe for the grandchildren who hadn't get benefitted from her high school graduation gift to all of them. We all cried.

She performed the miracle of the loaves and fishes.
i save money by reading your stuff instead of wasting money buying books by other writers--very clever piece...rated
I relate to all of this, and how! Should I mention that it's also funny as hell? There I did it.
My parents are sort of like your Grandma. My mom is still wearing a pair of my high school size 6 jeans!
Two words.

Corn Cobs...


{[R]}
Scoff if you want to, but it does add up. My parents were like your grandma, and some of their frugality rubbed off on me, thank goodness. We've saved our money, lived within (or below) our means, and now live debt-free; it's a priceless comfort in times like these.
Excellent post, Denise. Reminds me of my grandparents. They had a closet FULL of old containers she had washed out (cottage cheese, yogurt, etc.) :)
Rated.
You have no idea how you have set yourself up for the gifts you will receive in the years to come. You asked for it.... Great post!
This is my grandma Abplanalp to a T.

Grandma had four daughters. The last left home in 1977. She would have been 52 then. Nevertheless, she continued to buy boxes maxipads whenever there was a particularly good sale on them. When we were cleaning out her house in 2002, I "inherited" a whole year's supply, some of which needed belts.

I was an Americorps volunteer at the time and the money saved there came in quite handy!
oh yes. how well I know. and not only the grandmotherly type - my husband is OBSESSED with this: ""Don't just switch off lights and appliances--unplug them! HUNDREDS of dollars leak out of your wallet every year through power cords!""

sheeeeeeeeesh
I've tried both foolish buying and severe saving. Extremes can be more fun than the middle of the road.
Verbal, I contacted a few CPAs I know to have them calculate the savings from not buying TP compared to the expense of the increased electric/gas (depending on your stove) bill and the water bill. They all agreed that it was far more expensive to hire a CPA to calculate such comparisons than it is to pay the increased utility bills.
So glad to hear from everybody else whose lives are enriched by mismatched margarine tubs and wonderful, wacky, frugal friends and relatives!

Bonus Tip: When your grown children (in their 50s and 60s) give you extended cable for a year as a Christmas gift, throw a full-blown snit and cancel it the next day. Keep the refund. :-)
Noah is cheap cheap cheap!
Back in the 80's he read how you can save big if, when dining out, you just drink water and don't order soda, coffee, drinks, whatev.
Save like crazy!
I figure if I stop eating altogether for a month, I'll save my family a whole lot of money. I would be dead, but they would pay less!
Rated and I still say you're a nut! :-D (in a good way)
Loved. Between your conversation with your grandmother and the five tips, you have made me greatly miss my grandma. Here I thought she was one of kind with her ideas regarding the usage of the one ply. Ouch. I didn't get it as a kid and certainly don't agree with it now.
Here's to our useful spendage on a good latte:)
My mother inherited all the clothes their stepmother gave my daughters that they wouldn't wear, so she had four of each outfit.
My great grandmother died in 1983 without every having running water, and bragging about using the JC Penney's catalog for toilet paper in her outhouse. Of course she broke her hip heading to the outhouse. Which proves your point, I think.
Brilliant! My father and I were just discussing today how my grandparents manage to live on $16k per year. THIS is how.
I think my father must be your grandmother's brother.
R
I think my father must be your grandmother's brother.
R
laugh :D
or, they could have just not had kids, that would have been cheapest of all
This is funny. I want to scold you to save more but I think I agree with you.
I like this piece. I have tried helping my relatives save money by assuring them that I don't need anything that smells like vanila(it gives me a headach) that all I need is paper and pens and I am happy. Sadly it has fallen on deaf ears :( But this does explain why my own grandma had about fifty blue and purple flowered hand towels in her cedar chest as well as a plastic table cloth that were never used.
I agree on the one-ply and have the callouses to prove it. Great post. R.
Did your Grandma have 726 butter containers and only slightly fewer lids with hardly any that went together?
oh wow, this was a hoot. definitely hits close to home. my husband's aunt is the same. she buy stuff and stashes it in her garage for years, and randomly gives it to us. shortly after we got married, she gave us several white cloth placemats and napkins...that had been in the plastic bags so long they'd turned yellow in a bunch of places. she said, "oh just turn that part over and no one will notice." and don't even get me started about her annual garage sale in which she tries to get people to buy her old crap and then complains that everyone is trying to screw her over because this stuff is really worth a lot. eyeroll!!!
Well....let's see. I've pretty much kicked the Latte habit, and don't miss it. I make no grandiose claims to wealth through going without Shotgun Starbucks Caffeine, but I do notice that my cash lasts longer. =o) I have old sheets and old towels But they still do their respective jobs perfectly well. In fact, it takes a couple of years for sheets to get as soft as I like them.

The trouble is my inner Republican heiress; She makes it so that either I have LOTS of fiscal responsibility (not to the tune of unplugging appliances) or none at all. The bitch wants EVERYTHING and she wants it NEW. She hauled me into the cooking store last weekend, so I'm afraid my recent stretch of fiscal conservation is cracking under pressure.
Too funny . . . I took notes.
Very very funny post.
I'd write more, but I have to unplug my computer now.
There is a great book called "Die Broke" written by Tracy Poland's father...is that how you spell her name? Anyhow, great book. Google it.
Written by Stephen Pollan, Tracy's father....
What about the food? My late M-i-L's tips:

1) Always take dry items like pancake mix or flour out of the box and store them in a glass jar. This way, your adult kids won't know that the best-before date was several years ago. They'll probably be too polite to tell you their fresh cooked breakfast tastes a bit stale.

2) The secret to satisfying a crowd's craving for beer without the expense of a sixpack is having only one half bottle that's been in your fridge for a week. That way, if you offer your family a beer than remark there's only one, instead of a fight for the beer, you note how polite your kids and their spouses are, each nobly suggesting the other take the week-old beer.

3) Whole turkeys are often given away right after Christmas. They will last just fine in your freezer until Thanksgiving. Freezer burn? Smeezer burn.

4) It's a good idea to have enough food on hand to feed you and your kids (who are probably too foolish and don't take your advice on laying in their own stock) for several years. You never know when America's food supply will grind to a halt.

5) Food is often given away to Senior Citizens. Take all you can. Fill big bags of canned hotdogs and canned hearty-man meals that smell like dog food and give them to your kids. Ignore their feeble protests that they would never eat canned hot-dogs or hearty dog meals in a million years.

After all, they never lived under Stalin.
Oh grandma! I was helping an elderly friend - a retired MIT professor - clean his basement. I pulled out a desk drawer. He held out a box and told me to dump the drawer in the box, which I did. He then wrote on the box, in his careful, spidery script: "Contents of a drawer." and put the box on a shelf.
Do what my mother does: buy everything in bulk. You'll have toilet paper, toothpaste, shampoo and kleenex up the ying yang for the next five years.
Side-splitting hilarious! My gratitude to Grandma for validating my pack-rat habit of saving saving saving - shit, in many of the same categories. Every now and again I feel like it's a testimony of creeping or even rampant insanity. From now on when those waves of doubt threaten to sweep me out to McD's for a regenerative mocha frappe ($1 cheaper than Starbucks) I'll say a little prayer of thanx to your grandma, and then go to McD's. (r)
I have a question for Owl_Says_Who.

Did your avatar clandestinely mate with a redwing blackbird?
Geez, you can satisfy a 'crowd's craving for beer' with a six-pack?

Not in Canada you can't ;)

My other thought: if everyone's money is pissed away on latte's (whatever they are), wouldn't it be a better tip to get on the other side of the counter where they are sold? Cause apparently that's where all the money is...and also the latte's (whatever they are, says aging rural Canadian guy.) You could latte it up with their money...
Your grandmas was right although I know some people who carry it to extremes and become hoarders. Good post.
your grandma was a piker. Mine grew an acre of garden for food for the table. Still had an outhouse and a pump for water in the kitchen and outside the kitchen door. I would love it if I could live in that tiny little house of hers today, and live her lifestyle. That was one fine woman.
Denise, I was raised by Depression kids. My mother came through unscathed, but my father never got over it. He always bought one or two cans of things that most of us would not eat under any circumstances. When he died, the pantry was full of canned potatoes, and hominy among other things. To this day, I hate canned potatoes. They taste funny.
I usually buy a latte every day and I honestly never thought about $1,300 a year. A habit I might break. Thanks.
ps
Congrats on the 40 lbs. What's the secret? Did you blog about this already?
Oh my God, we had the same grandmother. My grandma also had the delightful habit of rinsing out bread bags and saving them. After she died, we unloaded drawers full of them and recycled tin-foil, her two old wooden legs - not kidding - her kidney stones, a host of thread bare smocks and unopened new clothes we would buy her for Christmas. Loved this post....xx a
Hilarious! I was starting to respond about my late MIL and realized Your Grandma would've loved her and you've inspired the post I've been meaning to write since beta. Credit will go to you.
Funny and wise. :)
Garage sailing! Think garage sailing, and on your bike, too. It's really neat when you go with a list of things you will need in the next few months, and then find some of them.
Well done! My grandmother had similar habits. She was interesting for a lot of reasons, one was that she was very wealthy and lived in a mansion. but she still managed to give me things like worn out elephant rubber stamps for Christmas. She married into old money and my grandfather was very successful. I doubt any of the crazy frugal habits made much of a financial difference in her world.
Denise, sorry I'm late....Hmm, note to self, figure out what goes further, Kleenex or Puffs....

Re-gifting is an art, with strict protocall you must follow. An example: If you re-gift an electric razor to someone, taking care to get all the scuffs off the original package, sealing the flaps carefully with adhesive, you may not remember if you cleaned the stubble from inside the razor head. If you can't remember, just add a comic handmade card that alludes to a funny re-gifting anecdote.
Speaking of one ply...My father was frugal. He once bought a store's entire stock of toilet paper when it was on sale - something crazy like 90% off to celebrate their opening. Talk about a loss leader. (Now you know the origins of "limit 3 items per customer".) I don't recall how many trips he had to make to bring all those rolls home but neighbors were still talking about it years later. Guess it was quite a sight to see a car stuffed like that going by your house, again and again. Our attic was filled to the roof and it was YEARS before we had to buy more. He'd stockpile on staples like that when they were on sale, didn't travel, ate out perhaps four times a year (birthdays), never bought new clothes (to my fashionable mother's great dismay) and didn't have any hobbies, besides TV. No cable though. That's just extravagance. And lattes?! Yeah, right. Instant coffee was perfect - that other stuff was too strong. He saved it all for retirement and his children. Life had other plans, of course. He was struck with an incurable illness at 58 and passed away at 63. So much for retirement.

He pinched his pennies pretty hard to bestow me some financial freedom. I can't help but think I'm squandering his money because I haven't adopted all his thrifty habits. I also can't help but wonder how differently he would have lived his life had he known his fate. Perhaps not much. He took pride in bucking our consumerism culture. Deborah, thanks for the tip about "Die Broke" - I might check it out (from the library, natch) to alleviate some guilt.
Ha! I wonder how many people eschewed Grandma's advice because they knew she had a pile and wasn't gonna live forever.
My mom's 85 and she is exactly the same way!
I vote for "There is absolutely no reason to indulge in ass-wiping material that doesn't cause abrasions. Tough it up and develop callouses where it counts." for laughs, and "I'm going to screech across the finish line with the needle on Empty." for motto. Thank you for giving me a good laugh, over and over.