Virginia Hoge

Virginia Hoge
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Pasadena, California, US
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June 03
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Virginia Olive Hoge is an artist and writer living in Pasadena, California. She was first introduced to Topix when a serious of hostile threads and polls were built on the Pasadena Topix forums which attacked her and her liberal blog. The Topix threads built on Topix for Virginia/Ginny/Olive, now number in the hundreds. She has become one of the most trolled posters ever on Topix, stalked the entire time and is well-known there. A fighter, she has fought back on Topix, defending herself and others there. She jumped onto the National Topix forums to understand better what was going on around the entire Country and beyond, and became familiar with the raw, brutal, coarse, dramatic, violent, and mythical world that is Topix.com. Welcome to the outer-limits of free speech, the Wild, Wild West of Citizen Journalism. She was on Topix for four years. What a odyssey it was.

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FEBRUARY 24, 2012 5:28PM

Stop The Harassment

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This poignant comment was posted to Chris Tolles, on the Topix main forum on a thread titled Dear Chris Tolles:

There is a problem in the Greeneville TN forum. We need a mod really bad. A man just committed suicide after months of cyberbullying and the bullying is still out of control. Please help. The un-modded posts are ruining our town and people's lives. Please help us.

The un-modded posts are ruining our town and people's lives. Please help us.

He never answered it.

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I checked out the Greeneville TN Topix forum.

The forum was full of attack threads, attacking people by their real names and harshly.

People's addresses were being posted, the posts left up too long doing this. Lots and lots of bullying and slander going on.

Someone from the town had posted a thread: Stop The Harassment

stop the harassment

Stop The Harassment

I commented on the thread and a commentator came onto the thread, richard mulligan, who ripped into liberals. He felt any suppression of "free speech" was wrong:

Spoken like a true liberal or hypocritical conservative. 

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richard mulligan wrote:

Spoken like a true liberal or hypocritical conservative.
As far as addresses and minors are concerned, I don't have a problem with deleting those posts, but once you start restricting speech theres no telling where it will end.

Olive: When Americans are being harmed, its time to re-conceptualize free speech and make sure it adheres to our responsibility as human beings, to keep each other safe. We fight wars for this, we protect Americans.

Also, its not a matter of only deleting the posts, and this needs to be done immediately. Its a matter of not allowing it to happen, it is dangerous to Americans.

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Negative Liberties???

Then Spider Girl came on, in a Big way, who gave me an earful about Negative Liberties:

FREE SPEECH ISNT YOUR RIGHT TO SPEECH! IT'S A PROMISE OF THE GOVERNMENT STATING THEY CANT MAKE A LAW PROHIBITING SPEECH!!!!

Spider Girl wrote:

Free speech can only be taken away if the government makes a law prohibiting your speech. If your boss, parents, or the owner of a business telsl you to shut up, there is nothing you can sue them over.
FREE SPEECH ISNT YOUR RIGHT TO SPEECH! IT'S A PROMISE OF THE GOVERNMENT STATING THEY CANT MAKE A LAW PROHIBITING SPEECH!!!!
Get it through your heads people.
When people say they have freedom of speech they dont even know what the he!! theyre taling about. Its pretty pathetic that you actually think freedom of speech is something that allows you to say whatever you want when and whereever you want. You couldnt be more wrong. Read a book sometime.

So who gets the rights?

To which I replied:

Olive: So, who gets the rights? The person who posts the address or the person being victimized??? 

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I had to let her know, the Constitution guarantee's rights:

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The Constitution guarantees rights

The Constitution and the government Guarantee rights.  

Spider Girl wrote:

What Im saying, Olive, is the constitution is a set of "negative" liberties meaning-- the government does not "give rights", all they do is make promises that they will not make laws that trample on certain inalienable (god given) rights.
When the constitution was written the founding fathers did not "grant rights", they believed that if somebody can grant rights then they can also take them away.
Hey, Im on your side here but you dont seem to realize it. Im not saying you do not have rights, Im saying the government does not grant those rights, they believe the rights we have are god given (or birthrights) and that no government shall make laws that take those rights away.
You have rights but not because the government gives them to you. Got it?
My argument is far from "Fail". You simply did not understand.

Olive:  The Constitution is not "a set of "negative" liberties meaning-- the government does not "give rights""

The Constitution and the government Guarantee rights.

Top of the list, the right to safety for their lives.

The first and foremost inalienable right, is safety from harm.

Think about Life

Another poster named anonymous, posted this comment claiming anyone who kills themselves from online harassment is a weak link in the chain, a Darwinistic view of the world. I replied.

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Think about Life

anonymous wrote:

I've said it before on here, if someone kills theirself because of what people say about them on the internet then they have some serious problems and were gonna do it sooner or later anyway...
I like the not all baby turtles make it to the ocean line... I've always said life just isn't for everyone...

Olive:  Think about that young girl, who was trolled by a sick mom troll and hung herself. Think about other teens doing the same.

Think about someone, anyone, bullied so hard and so badly, they take their own life.

Think about Life, for gosh sakes. Care.

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Why is so hard to hear entire communities begging for help?

I feel like I always get the easy answers.

If an entire community is crying out that it is being harmed, begging for help, the posting of addresses is clearly dangerous to people's safety, why aren't they being listened to???

If human being's safety is in danger, as it is all over Topix, why are these voices so hard to hear?

Why are they not being heard?

They are not being heard by Topix, they are not being heard by America. Where are the watch dogs?

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The Blame Game

They continued to argue with me on the thread, blaming parents, blaming posters for just not leaving, throwing blame all over the place:

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The blame game

I had to let them know:

Olive:  The question is answered.

I find it funny you are blaming here, blaming me, blaming parents, blaming posters for just not leaving, blaming people for being weak..... Blame, blame, blame.

Yet Chris Tolles says Topix is a blank slate, and that he is not responsible for anything posted here.

He doesn't want any blame at all.

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The issue of teen suicide due to cyber-bullying

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Olive: Tell that to the girl who hung herself when that troll mom, pretended she was a boyfriend. Tell that to trolls, who Work to get inside of people's heads, to make them their servants and then, to make them suffer. All cannot be strong enough to resist, especially kids. To make kids kill themselves, is wrong. Surely you are not disagreeing with this?

Yes, we have the right to free speech, but we also have human rights, which need to protect.

Topix does not want to address the huge concern over teens committing suicide from online bullying, anyone committing suicide from abuse on his site as happens and all too often.

Olive:  It is happening and has. The girl who hung herself, was directly a result, of cyber-bullying by the sick troll mom. kids are doing it way too often. A person is ripped apart, destroyed, to the point, they kill themselves.

I don't like to see people's lives be made a living hell, and they are, you can see examples of this, right here in Greeneville.

Yes, we have the right to free speech, but we also have human rights, which need to be protected. 

Profit over People, is dead-wrong.

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There appears to be some tampering with the links on my posts, I will keep checking them to make sure they are working, someone is very, very concerned about my opinion and very determined, that my voice is not heard.

lol. That kind of thing, just makes me more stubborn.
Maybe the TopixKeepers should police that forum.
If anyone wants to tell me, why it is a "radical" message, that people by the countless numbers, who are being made fearful for their safety, need to be taken seriously.......

Please do.

I am being constantly trolled on Topix, hacked, told I am under constant surveillance, for giving this simple message.

Bizarre.

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"Maybe the TopixKeepers should police that forum."

Somebody needs to protect the people there. And in every city.
"...Somebody needs to protect the people there. And in every city..."

Sounds exhausting.
What a pathetic excuse.
I agree, the Topix Keepers aren't doing there job.
hahaha. Are you saying the Topix Keepers are supposed to do the work Topix needs to? Work on keeping people safe on their forums?

What you have claimed here, and as a Topix rep, is that its too difficult for Topix to do that.

Not.
Your comment (see above) makes no sense. Perhaps one should not mix wine with the web.
The issue was raised, should the Topix Keepers keep people safe on Topix forums.

That was their plan, to help at least. Topix did not care for the Topix Keepers.

Who does want to keep people safe on the Topix forums? Safe from real harm? Someone needs to.
This was such a strange comment:

Spider Girl wrote:

"What Im saying, Olive, is the constitution is a set of "negative" liberties meaning-- the government does not "give rights", all they do is make promises that they will not make laws that trample on certain inalienable (god given) rights."

The first and foremost inalienable right, is to safety from harm.
Actually no one cared for the Keepers. Just look at their lack of efficacy.
I think the Chardonnay has placed your comment on the wrong thread Topix Tot.........

The question remains, who is going to keep people safe on Topix's forums.
As for lack of efficacy, what media company in their right mind would allow a troll to be their spokesperson?
Don't sell yourself short, you could make a fine spokesperson if you applied yourself.
I would be a better Topix spokesperson than you, this is true.

Few could be worse than you have been here. What were they thinking?
Atta girl! Put down the bottle and get going. I think you may still be able to repair your relationship with Chris.
Repair yours, if possible, Topix troll.
I just got bonused.
Although that means Topix is as stupid as you are. Now honor my request and do not post here again, I did give you a last warning.
Looks like Virginia is about to delete all my comments.

Hypocrite
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