hi all. 1st, a short semi-self-indulgent meditation & retrospective. what else are blogs good for? skip to next section to get to the material promised in the post, a vast cornucopia of phenomenal 911 nanothermite/conspiracy/truth links.
Ive been blogging on this site about 1.5 yr. overall its been a good release. for about the 1st half year, I ran into major friction on here. it was my intention to be a contrarian, a loose cannon, a cyber-molotov-cocktail-thrower, especially in comments. to make some waves. to make a name for myself. I succeeded. back then the open salon site was definitely much smaller and it was possible for one subversive dude to make a commotion.
the subjects were just "whatever ppl posted on". I would write the comments that stuck out, that surprised, shocked, or enraged the posters. the more vanilla and widely-read the posters, the better. my goal was to shake Joe Sixpack and the Sheeple out of their vegetative/comatose/sleepwalking state.
since then, a fairly short time but an eternity in cyberspace years, I think the site has become much more large and diverse. its just not possible for one person/personality to have a large effect. some of my self-chosen enemies have cycled away. others have forgotten the grudges/vendettas. a few remain.
it seems like the global flamewars are less frequent and smaller in scope.
its too bad there is such strong turnover/attrition on the site but that is very typical of cyberspace. its like a huge bar where nearly everybody does *not* know your name. Id say, it changes character almost every month. several changes in editors over a short time contribute to this.
so, Ive talked to many ppl, made a few near-friends [in the cyber facebook sense] and surprised myself with how many have favorite-clicked me. I didnt expect to get that many at all. on the other hand, I figured I had a semidecent chance of getting a smattering of EPs. as you can see, I must be EP radioactive. over 100 posts and not a single one. the editors probably need me to capitalize my sentences or something [sorry, thats way too conventional and conformist for me].
but Im sure I could do that & they'd still not pick anything Ive written. Im proud of many of my posts and I know they are high quality and many exceed the quality and significance of much of what is chosen by editors on here. on the other hand, Im also glad that I can write about highly controversial stuff on here without interference.
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when I started this site, it was my intention to specifically blog about 911 among other things. I didnt know what all topics I would pick, but I knew that was one of them. I started this blog less than a month after the nanothermite paper by Harrit and Jones et al. this was a phenomenal, staggering paper for me and I couldnt believe how little attention it was getting.
I have been reading conspiracy literature since the mid 90s on the internet, and the idea of Phd scientists writing an extremely well-researched paper on the subject, arguably proving with scientific certainty the existence of an astonishing conspiracy, was truly beyond all imagination and experience. what Harrit et.al. have done absolutely cannot be overstated. its a tremendous, massive contribution not merely to science but to social studies.
now, after many years on the net Im not naive. I learned to analyze, discriminate, and expertly recognize the subtle nuances/bias/tendencies/resistances/blindspots of the MSM in the last decade or so as the alternative media started to spring up with stronger strength. [eg Huffingtonpost, Alternet, and esp Infowars sites]. but I thought there was a real possibility that this nanothermite paper might break out into public consciousness and capture the public attention and imagination in a significant way.
such media events/disruptions/"not-according-to-plans-or-spin" do happen with some random infrequency. hitting the media/"collective unconscious" jackpot. these are basically inadvertent MSM bandwagon fiascos when you see rare glimpses of the wild, untamed truth getting out and the coverups melting away as the public looks on in dismay. I might make a list sometime. how about the following off the top of my head from the last decade or so [Im going to try to add to this]:
- abu graihb
- "mission accomplished" bush photo opportunity
- CIA torture/rendition revelations
- widespread NSA wiretapping/vacuuming of US citizens
- wikileaks paper on afghanistan
but, so far the nanothermite paper has made very few ripples in the public consciousness. Id judge it to be more like a very slow boil. it has created a tenacious minority opinion that is not going away.
but, lack of a public firestorm over these findings is a tremendous disappointment to me, however theres still time. pt barnum once said "you can never go broke underestimating the taste of the public". but I think also, "you could die waiting for the public consciousness to elevate". that will certainly be the case for me, Im sure.
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these are very comprehensive links collected over a little more than a year. Im organizing these links into 3 sections. 1st, nanothermite revelations, an explosive residue, probably built out of sophisticated nanotechnology, found in 911 dust. next, 911 truth basics/overview. then, more vague links that hint at some kind of undefined 911 conspiracy. an effective/serious/real/valuable/worthwhile media would have covered all this, but in response to that idea, as the girls say when you ask em out on a date, "dream on loser".
nanothermite
Pardon Our Dust, or, Why the World Trade Center Dust Matters
http://911review.com/articles/green/PardonOurDust.html
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM
top 10 connections between NIST and nanothermites by kevin ryan
http://911review.com/articles/ryan/nist_thermite_connection.html
A danish scientist Niels Harrit, on nano-thermite in the WTC dust ( Youtube video, 10m, english subtitles )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o
Traces of explosives in 9/11 dust, scientists say
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705295677,00.html
The Future Doesnt Need Us by Bill Joy, 4-2000 [on societal danger of unconstrained nanotechnology]
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.04/joy.html
Study claims 'highly engineered explosive' found in WTC rubble
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Scientists_find_active_superthermite_in_WTC_0404.html
WeAreChange LA Questions VP Biden on 9/11 and Nano-thermite
http://www.infowars.com/wearechange-la-questions-vp-biden-on-911-and-nano-thermite/
Questions to Niels Harrit concerning the study "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe".
http://www.gulli.com/news/world-trade-center-destruction-2009-05-24/
Jonathan Kay: An evening in Montreal with Richard Gage, 9/11 Truth Movement prophet extraordinaire
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/04/23/jonathan-kay-an-evening-in-montreal-with-richard-gage-9-11-truth-movement-prophet-extraordinaire.aspx
Open Government Dialogue-- New Evidence Re 911 [nanothermite] -- vote up
http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/3266-4049
Ask the President about Nanothermite -- vote up
http://www.communitycounts.com/forum/?id=obama&linked=zxy52
Richard Gage on KMPH Fox 26 in Fresno, CA [7m video]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO2yT0uBQbM
29 Structural/Civil Engineers Cite Evidence for Controlled Explosive Demolition in Destruction of All 3 WTC High-Rises on 9/11
http://www.ae911truth.org/downloads/29_Structural-Civil_Engineers_2009-06-17.pdf
Who Put Super-Thermite in the Twin Towers? By Christopher Bollyn
http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php?topic=10533.0
South Tower flaming, thrusting nanothermite-coated projectile caught on video! [3m video]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBVhxnkK6s8&feature=player_embedded
Explosive Theory
Eight years after 9/11, a growing organization of building trades professionals suspect that there was more to the event than the government will admit
http://www.metroactive.com/metro/09.09.09/cover-0936.html
Steven E Jones presentation on Nanothermite in Sacramento, California, on April 30th, 2009
http://world911truth.org/steven-jones-on-nanothermite/
South Tower Smoking Guns by David Chandler [2m video]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_B_Azbg0go
Congressman Brad Sherman’s office admits explosives found in the World Trade Center Dust
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/view.php?id=1505703&da=y
Did NIST Edit WTC 7 Footage To Hide Evidence Of Implosion?
http://www.infowars.com/did-nist-edit-wtc-7-footage-to-hide-evidence-of-implosion/
Former senator, engineers offer ‘proof’ of 9/11 controlled demolitions
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/senator-engineers-911-controlled-demolitions/
New 9/11 Footage Reveals WTC 7 Explosions
http://www.infowars.com/new-911-footage-reveals-wtc-7-explosions/
Video: 9/11 Firefighters Reveal Huge Explosions Before Towers Collapsed
http://www.infowars.com/video-911-firefighters-reveal-huge-explosions-before-towers-collapsed/
9/11: Chemical Engineer Mark Basile Found Nanothermite in WTC Dust
http://www.infowars.com/911-chemical-engineer-mark-basile-found-nanothermite-in-wtc-dust/
9/11 truth
Steven E. Jones
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Jones
Jim Hoffman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Hoffman
David Ray Griffin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ray_Griffin
World Trade Center controlled demolition conspiracy theories
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_controlled_demolition_conspiracy_theories
9/11 Truth movement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Truth_Movement
Media Smearing of Truth Movement Reaching a Crescendo
http://www.infowars.com/media-smearing-of-truth-movement-reaching-a-crescendo/
The New York City Coalition for Accountability 9/11 Investigation Ballot Initiative Filed
http://www.nyccan.org/nyccanfilespetition.php
9/11 Mind Swell -- Scientific evidence refutes the official story
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14724
Republic Magazine 16 -- 911 Uncovering the Truth [32p]
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18790842/Republic-Magazine-16-911-Uncovering-the-Truth
Turning 9/11 Realities Upside Down: When the "Big Lie" becomes the "Truth"
The Unspoken Truth: The Global Research Reader on 9/11
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15147
New Book by David Ray Griffin – The Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center 7
http://world911truth.org/new-book-by-david-ray-griffin-the-mysterious-collapse-of-wtc7/
Representative Of Largest 9/11 Families Group Says Government Complicit In Attack
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/080706governmentcomplicit.htm
The Mysterious Collapse of WTC Seven -- Why NIST’s Final 9/11 Report is Unscientific and False, by David Ray Griffin
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15201
9/11 SYNTHETIC TERRORISM MADE IN USA By Webster Griffin Tarpley
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2005/07/317436.pdf
The anniversary of 9/11
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/09/anniversary-of-911.html
The Secret Files 9/11 Investigators Missed
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-10/911-mystery-nsa-files-on-al-qaeda-attack-never-probed/?cid=hp:mainpromo4
Bill O’Reilly uses Ground Zero ‘mosque’ controversy as front for attack on 9/11 Truth
http://www.infowars.com/bill-oreilly-uses-ground-zero-mosque-controversy-as-front-for-attack-on-911-truth/
O’Reilly: Muslims that doubt official 9/11 story could be terrorists
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/oreilly-attacks-imam-rauf-truther/
The making of 9/11 activists
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_6323.shtml
9/11 research to be censored from ‘Project Censored’
http://www.infowars.com/911-research-to-be-censored-from-project-censored/
Colorado Democratic Party Calls for Grand Jury Investigation of 9-11
http://www.infowars.com/colorado-democratic-party-calls-for-grand-jury-investigation-of-9-11/
BuildingWhat? TV Ad Is On The Air Now in New York City
http://www.infowars.com/buildingwhat-tv-ad-is-on-the-air-now-in-new-york-city/
9/11 conspiracy
911 blogger/news
http://www.911blogger.com/
alex jones InfoWars news
http://www.infowars.com/
9-11 research
http://911research.wtc7.net/
9-11 review
http://911review.com/
Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth
http://www.ae911truth.org/
AN ANALYSIS OF THE TERRORIST ATTACKS ON AMERICAN TARGETS ON SEPTEMBER 11, 2001 WITH APPROPRIATE BACKGROUND INFORMATION
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2774.htm
Translation of Secret BND Report of September 11, 2001
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2781.htm#005
9/11 Commission Counsel: Government Agreed to Lie About 9/11
http://www.infowars.com/911-commission-counsel-government-agreed-to-lie-about-911/
Deconstructing Deceit: 9/11, The Media, and Myth Information [35 pg pdf by academics]
http://www.projectcensored.org/assets-managed/pdf/DeconstructingDeceitOnlineEd.pdf
deconstruction of NYT hatchet job on 9/11 truthers
http://911review.com/reviews/nyt/markup/05conspiracy.html
9/11: Blueprint for Truth - WTC Building 7 - 10 minute Segment from New AE911Truth Companion Edition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lESol88wOi0
Area man stirs debate on WTC collapse South Bend firm's lab director fired after questioning federal probe
http://www.wanttoknow.info/911kevinrryanfired
911 Review Articles by Kevin Ryan
http://911review.com/articles/ryan/index.html
Active and retired top military brass met to discuss what really happened on 9/11
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_4741.shtml
AIA Convention, San Francisco. Richard Gage Interviews Architects [video, 48m]
http://blip.tv/file/2070278
Debunking Myths on Conspiracy Theories
http://www.gatecreepers.com/entries/exclusive-debunking-myths-on-conspiracy-theorie/
9/11 FEMA videographer at Ground Zero goes public
http://www.infowars.com/911-fema-videographer-at-ground-zero-goes-public/
Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US until 9/11
http://www.infowars.com/bombshell-bin-laden-worked-for-us-until-911/
Forget Van Jones, The Majority Of Americans Question 9/11
http://www.infowars.com/forget-van-jones-the-majority-of-americans-question-911/
Psychology Today Hatchet Job [on Alex Jones] Labels Conspiracy Thinking A Psychotic Illness [pdf]
http://prisonplanet.com/images/september2009/020909pt.pdf
The Growing Absurdity and Desperation of Conspiracy Theory Debunkers
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/118037
CIA collusion with “Al Qaeda” financiers and attack planners
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_5055.shtml
Carlyle, Kissinger, SAIC and Halliburton: A 9/11 Convergence
http://www.infowars.com/carlyle-kissinger-saic-and-halliburton-a-911-convergence/
Top Construction Firm: WTC Destroyed By Controlled Demolition
http://www.infowars.com/top-construction-firm-wtc-destroyed-by-controlled-demolition/
Angry in America: Inside Alex Jones' World
Radio Host and 'Conspiracy Theorist' Taps into Dark National Mood to Build Media Empire
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/alex-jones-day-life-libertarian-radio-host/story?id=10891854
9/11 Security Courtesy of Securacom/Marvin Bush
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911security.html?q=911security.html
911 reasons why 9/11 was (probably) an inside job
http://rt.com/Top_News/2009-09-09/911-attack-job.html
‘Operation Dark Heart’ Author Alleges 9/11 Cover Up
http://www.infowars.com/operation-dark-heart-author-alleges-911-cover-up/
EXCLUSIVE: Witnesses in Defense Dept. Report Suggest Cover-Up of 9/11 Findings
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/04/exclusive-witnesses-defense-department-report-suggest-cover-findings/
9/11 Mastermind Invited to Pentagon
http://www.infowars.com/al-qaeda-mastermind-invited-to-pentagon-after-911/
authorities on 9/11
'US, Mossad played roles in 9/11 event'
Following the Iranian president's doubts on the 9/11 event, a top military adviser to the Leader of the Islamic Revolution says the CIA and Mossad were involved in the attacks.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/144012.html
Ahmadinejad calls 9/11 attacks “suspicious”
http://televisionwashington.com/floater_article1.aspx?lang=en&t=1&id=17186
Iran's Ahmadinejad calls Sept 11 "big fabrication"
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6251AO20100306
Ahmadinejad described the destruction of the twin towers in New York as "a complicated intelligence scenario and act"
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6251AO20100306
Establishment Feigns Outrage At Ahmadinejad’s 9/11 Rant
http://www.infowars.com/establishment-feigns-outrage-at-ahmadinejads-911-rant/
U.S. Walks Out on Ahmadinejad's 9/11 Comment
U.N. Delegations of Europe, Canada and Others also Walk Out after Iranian President Accuses U.S. of Orchestrating 9/11
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/23/world/main6894683.shtml
Jesse Ventura censored by The Huffington Post (RussiaToday/YouTube)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpyAyIqeFOg&feature=player_embedded
Huffington Post Kills Jesse Ventura’s Piece On 9/11
http://www.prisonplanet.com/huffington-post-kills-jesse-venturas-piece-on-911.html
A leading Japanese politician espouses a 9/11 fantasy
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/07/AR2010030702354.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job
Man who set up Operation Gladio tells Italy's largest newspaper attacks were run by CIA, Mossad
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/december2007/120407_common_knowledge.htm
Ex-ISI Chief Gul Exposes 9/11 Inside Job
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ex-isi-chief-gul-exposes-911-inside-job.html
Ex-Malaysian premier still says 9/11 inside job
http://edition.presstv.ir/detail/116851.html
'US, Mossad played roles in 9/11 event'
Following the Iranian president's doubts on the 9/11 event, a top military adviser to the Leader of the Islamic Revolution says the CIA and Mossad were involved in the attacks.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/144012.html
'Fair probe sure to find US behind 9/11'
An Iranian lawmaker says an independent truth-finding committee will reveal the role of the United States and Israel in the September 11 attacks.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/143972.html
EXCLUSIVE: Uncovered 9/11 Footage Shows FBI Director Asking Firefighters About “Secondary Hits” On WTC
http://www.prisonplanet.com/exclusive-uncovered-911-footage-shows-fbi-director-asking-firefighters-about-secondary-hits-on-wtc.html
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its very bizarre you talk about "conscience". think you will find, if the study is ever done, that there is a higher incidence of psychopathy in intelligence agencies. you fail to understand real intelligence agencies, you seem to have zero background on the subject, you have little grasp of their real history, their operations, their capabilities.
you pride yourself on your intellectuality but your mind is as closed as a cheney man-safe. as the evidence mounts, you argue more vociferously against the increasingly untenable. you are the true zealot, the proseletyzer, the fanatic.
I said TEMPERATURE TRIGGERED. maybe you have cement in your ears. let me know when you've cleaned that out.
I'm certain it was a conspiracy, there's too much evidence that it was. Starting with the fact that things we think are conspiracies, usually are. If it looks like a duck... it's a frickin' duck.
I'm no rocket scientist but please, that tiny bit of jet fuel made the bottom of the building collapse that quickly. Someone needs to make that more logical, maybe there was a "ginormous funnel" with a tube straight down the center of each building.
I do love all the reports complete with video that show how it really could have been two tiny jets with that much fuel flying into the sides of the buildings. I'm not buying that it happened the way the so called experts say it went down.
A look at BP is a reminder of how brilliant experts are. Oh, I forgot, we already forgot the gulf. The infrastructure supporting the people is crumbling, San Bruno is blowing up.
I think this recession screwed up their plans with poor timing/groups laid off. A lot of truly educated people (techies, engrs. and such) now have a lot of time on their hands and can read all these reports. I think this latest escapade will backfire on them big time.
Also, with this recession, too big a chunk of the US middle class became permanently poor and they are dragging everyone down with them. Foolish to think you can control what can't be controlled, it's picking up speed. Wait until people figure out it's a permanent drop for every level of the middle class. There also aren't enough ghettos, people will have to die off or be taken in by others. Landlords will start to go under.
People are going to be very pissed off as they keep putting money into 401K's and the market keeps having tiny little drops. They will slowly bleed it up to the select few at the very top, while those investing are taking in family and friends who are going under. Bad news there.
Yep, this little recession wasn't just good for reminding us what's "important in life." It's a wake up call on a huge scale. I hate the thought of the suffering that's coming before we correct our path.
I applaud you, it's always easier to comfort the disturbed, than it is to disturb the comfortable. Hang in there, it's an ugly rabbit hole you went down. Thank you.
I gather that you are Muslim. My sympathies and my apologies I supported this war when it began. My eyes are now wide open and you can rest assured that some of us will not rest until Dubya is doing a rope dance on FOX NEWS during prime time. You might like this if you haven't already seen it http://world911truth.org/coast-to-coast-am-911-debate-with-richard-gage-and-dave-thomas
They cannot keep Gage off the national news much longer. You are looking at a civil war in this country some of these people will just not except the truth.
fyi/for the record, I am not muslim.
speaking of SAIC, that reminds me of Securecom, which was doing WTC security and a principal in the company was marvin bush, bush's younger brother. just added a link on that. also kevin ryan has written insightfully on this so I added a link to his articles on 911review, several of which talk about WTC security.
In 1993 like some biblical emissary from hell Marvin Pierce Bush son of George H.W. Bush and Barbara Pierce and brother of George W, Jeb, Neil and Dorothy arrived in the land of the Pharos, Kuwait to be more specific. The Kuwaiti Royal family the al-Sabahs had made a deal with the devil to save their oil from Saddam Hussein and now the devil was there to collect. Marvin and brother Neil immediately began striking sweetheart deals with the Kuwaiti government, headed by the nation’s royal family . Marvin worked with a DC-based defense firm selling electronic fences to the Kuwaiti Defense Ministry he parlayed his position as a fence salesman to become a director of Stratesec, a security company controlled by Kuwaiti-owned KuwAm. Marvin’s cousin Wirt D. Walker III, was Stratesec’s CEO and a KuwAm director. The son of the former Emir of Kuwait, Mishal Yousef Saud Al-Sabah, was KuwAm’s chairman. Stratesec was the security company at the World Trade Center from immediately after the first attack in 1993, right up to the day the planes hit. The company maintained electronic security systems at Dulles International Airport where American Airlines Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon, originated. KuwAm sold airplanes to the National Civil Aviation Training Organization (NCATO) “the first civilian pilot training organization in the Middle East.” located in Giza, Egypt the hometown of Mohammed Atta. The NCATO had a partnership with Florida flight school Embry-Riddle, from which one of the 9/11 hijackers graduated. CA just needs to go to the right web sites and quite thinking loose change or whatever is the "conspiracy theory send him to AE911truth
thats interesting CA, another thing that could be interpreted to have a "high ambient radiant energy combined with shock-effects of various impacts" is a big steaming pile of ****
I appreciate your efforts, but unless you genuinely enjoy the sarcastic abuse of ill-informed jackasses, you should probably stop writing about 9/11. Even people who are otherwise skeptical and critical thinkers prefer to give this one a wide berth--and, of course, most people are neither skeptical or critical...or thinkers, in any meaningful sense of the word.
I will say this, however: anyone who has ever worked in a large office complex won't even begin to doubt that large crews of anonymous workers can be about their business for months, claim to be doing whatever they want to claim to be doing.... and be virtually unnoticed in the process.
Also, the process of making sure that WTC 1 & 2 collapsed as a result of airplane strikes is by no means identical to the process of carrying out a conventional controlled demolition. In the latter case, the goal is to bring down a building with as little collateral damage and resulting insurance liability as possible. In the former case--if it occurred--the goal was simply to bring down a couple of buildings. A couple of buildings that--coincidentally enough-- had recently been covered by the largest insurance policies in history against "acts of terrorism".
I remain entirely a skeptic with regards to the events of 2001-09-11. But anyone who regards the official account of those events as beyond question has no business describing you--or anyone else-- as "credulous".
wait, 14th CENTURY? a LOGICIAN AND THEOLOGIAN? ie basically a religious christian monk?? ah well right there you have all you need to know. isnt that about the same time people were dying due to rat infested bubonic plague due to nonexistent sanitation? and no knowledge of contagious diseases and microbes which would come centuries later with Pasteur? doesnt that predate Newton and the *entire* scientific revolution and enlightenment? what a coincidence, because I think the skeptics POV predates the enlightenment also!! so yeah, go right on ahead and keep quoting Occam as your unassailable authority on 21st century conspiracy theory....
CA, do you know the origination of the phrase "who will guard the guardians?"
there is a significant list of WTC construction projects that were active shortly prior to the destruction which Ive alluded to in earlier posts. merely two that I have heard of [I admit that these are quasi rumors because the accurate/exact list was probably destroyed in the collapses]:
a) elevator shaft modernization prj. very significant because elevator shafts are next to core columns.
b) supposedly an entire floor was under construction and only construction workers could visit that floor, the elevators did not stop there without a key or something.
and also (through the comments)
an amazing snapshot of a divided America:
the truth is that we all have our conspiracy theories,
whether personal paranoia
or international ...
it almost doesnt matter if alot of this stuff
is 100% true in the objective sense...
it is true subjectively,
and subjective reality is all there is...
Caracalla's Amanuensis, I don't know that I'm a fan, I'm related to someone who is actively involved on a daily basis in ae911truth.org as is listed in the link above.
I know that person's intellect and integrity, we have a 50 year history and are still close, speaking or emailing regularly. I've seen a lot of the information but haven't studied it. I'm working through some brain problems and have trouble with thinking in English right now. The nature of time is my interest, I can't handle any more than that effectively.
My response was that the experts examining the evidence aren't all perfect or even top notch. Organizations don't have the same standards of excellence, nor is education what it was. I've worked with many people with Master's degrees that aren't the brightest and some with only experience who would easily hit 140 on the IQ spin meter. All of them miss things, some of them just don't care any more. Some get bits and pieces. I don't think drug companies deliberately manufacture things that create diabetes. Stuff happens.
I also don't think it's one giant global conspiracy. There are a bunch of very narcissistic powerful people that will as cheerfully destroy their "friends and allies" as they would anyone else.I would guess that they could care less what the other devourers are doing one way or another to the teeming masses.
Even if a few of them work together here or there, so what? Corporations consume each other putting their buddies out of work all the time. Neither Lewis or Dimon cares if the other one lives or dies,they are bank CEO's, they are well groomed despots. Dictators have banquets where they declare love and honor for each other then invade each other regularly. There's no honor among theives. These people have something very wrong with them. They should probably be on a "farm" somewhere well sedated at all times,I doubt there is a way to "repair" them. It frightens me that they breed but such is life. Average people are busy standing in line at Best Buy for the latest game console.
I just noticed that the recession has give an inordinate number of extremely intelligent people, with educations and experience that support this type of research, a lot of free time. And... they are really pissed while they're starving. How very inconvenient for whatever devious little group cooked this up. Smart people are pissed, oopsie.
I doubt I'm a moron but if you'd like to debate it, I'm willing. I think you're really a Siamese instead of an interesting Torty, and insist we debate that too.
Here's a little treat, Pilots say TSA stands for; Thousands Standing Around. hahaha, so much for dating pilots... sigh.So much for security anywhere...Big sigh
Again, I apologize for forgetting about the blog, glad I came back to email my cousin the link. Thanks again VZN, this was a lot of work.
LHB. thanks for revisiting. there was a book called "when corporations rule the world." by korten. its no longer a hypothetical scenario.
rated with respect for the work you have done
will the truth eventually whack them over the head? yes it will. it could take years, it could take decades. I can wait....
again, compartmentalization is the ansswer, and you must remember that the intelligence agencies were even more compartmentalized prior to 911 to the point that it was considered dysfunctional even by the [dysfunctional] 911 commission.....
more insight into this can be found in biological analogies with a parasite or virus. imagine a microscopic virus that has coevolved with the host over millenia. these viruses/parasites definitely exist and attain astonishing degrees of sophistication. now, the issue of assymetric warfare is key here, which is the concept-du-jour and paradigm shift of the military ever since the fall of the soviet union and the rise of nonstate terrorism/actors. viruses/parasites are a case study in assymetic warfare. a virus is not even ALIVE. yet it can overpower an entire organism with TRILLIONS of alive cells. think of ebola or the marburg virus. FATAL in 60% of cases roughly. if you met an ebola or a marburg virus, you would be chewed into a quivering puddle of blood and flesh in a matter of days, all the while you were rejecting the idea, and maybe your last conscious thought of your existence might be along the lines, "How in the world would a small virus outwit the much larger group of cells, organs and the entire organism surrounding it?"
then those men lack alogether expertise, knowledge, and imagination. probably a high school student with a rudimentary knowledge of physics and wtc blueprints could figure out how to cause a controlled demolition of the building based on demolition charges on a single floor [even a low-tech explosive like dynamite would be sufficient], and no wiring whatsoever between charges. [hint for people who have not taken high school physics or an imagination-- all you need is a near instantaneous explosions near all the core columns on a single floor and gravity does the rest of the work for you.] now admittedly building 7 was harder to destroy because of the large area and more structural columns.
dude-- wtf?!? you think I "WANT" it to be a conspiracy? you think I want my family to live in a world where such a thing is possible?
Actually, at some level of your thinking, I suspect you do. Grand nefarious unfathomable conspiracies are very soothing to certain kinds of people -- the kind who can't face the complexity and contradictions of human social life, and/or who want to pretend they alone can see the Big Picture, but don't expect them to actually do anything because the Evil Conspiracy is so huge that no one can do anything. It's the logic of pure paranoid delusion, and many people do indeed find delusion comforting.
Not only that, but your "challenge" is pure hypocricy. You're saying, in effect, that I can't call myself a "free thinker" if I rely on "the MSM" -- but one of your citations above is Reuters, which is about as MSM as it gets. Also, I'm willing to bet that your first news of the 9/11 attacks came from...the MSM! So all in all, you really have no grounds to pretend you're any more of a "free thinker" than I am.
You want an example of "free thinking?" Here it is: I check the news I get against multiple sources, personal experience, previously proven common sense, my own education, the education and experience of others who have proven themselves more knowledgeable than me, and the demonstrated credibility of the various conflicting sources, to the best of my ability. That makes my mind demonstrably freer than yours, which appears stuck in the same isolated ineffectual closed system as every other conspiracy-buff I've ever encountered. As for comparative results, we "sheeple" in the MSM-dominated real world are working both to combat terrorism and to dismantle the right-wing hate machine here at home. We "sheeple" at least managed to get Obama elected and come up with a slightly better policy in Afghanistan. That ain't much, but it's more than your paranoia and self-important self-pity have got you.
Here's a challenge for you: either prove I'm wrong or admit I'm right. Hint: impeaching my "free-thinker" credentials doesn't work either way.
Actually, no, our thinking is more like "If there was a conspiracy, it would be a lot more plausible and workable than what these wankers are fantasizing about; or it wouldn't work at all."
Oh, and don't call us "antitruthers" unless, and until, you can prove that what we're saying is not true.
And here's the really ironic bit: if I really wanted to come up with a believable conspiracy theory, I could just go with a CIA infiltrator whispering a suggestion in an al Qaeda boss's ear and letting them run with the idea. NONE of this crap about nanothermite or faked cell-phone calls from UA-93 or whatever are even necessary at all. This just goes to show how little common sense the troofers really have. Kinda funny, in a make-fun-of-the-homeless-drunk sort of way...
wow, something we can almost agree on. agree that bush couldnt think himself out of a paper bag. if he was "involved" it was probably only to remain silent and serve in not blowing the whistle.... as for cheney, the Dark Lord, yes I think he was involved.... a key element is that he had recently been placed in charge of air traffic defense only shortly prior to the event.... it would take volumes to document his fingerprints/connections, its all been done elsewhere.
blah,blah,blah... so that is your specific example of something that you conceived of that the MSM didnt inject into your head 1st? wow, Im impressed. you should be interviewed by foxnews & share that with them, "fair and balanced".... Im sure youd fit right in. =)
wait-- gasp-- you're saying that my first news of the false flag came from the mighty blaring MSM wurlitzer? wow.... you got me!! I cant disagree with that!! you're right!! they were the 1st to inform me who did it, too, basically within hours!! what a coincidence!! how convenient!! I certainly gotta admit the MSM really is the most convenient place to get all the "free" opinions and interpretations you could ever want. one stop shopping. so maybe you are indeed "freethinking".. wink.. you know what they say.. information wants to be free.. and you get what you pay for, wink
ok, obviously you havent read much 911 truth material whatsoever, but heres a little cliff notes version/cheat sheet for those that have trouble tying their shoelaces....
basically the hypothesis is that the Mossad was behind the more difficult aspects of the job.
and so, what do you know about the Mossad?
Yeah, right -- the hypothesis you stated was quickly debunked, you've been unable to honestly address any of the debunking arguments, you've already fallen back on the same name-calling we hear from every other failed conspiracy-buff, but now you're demanding we read your articles and thinking that makes you sound credible? And you can't even tell us WHICH of your dozens of links addresses our specific arguments? I think we can safely conclude you're bluffing. Here's a little tip, Skippy: you can't bluff if you're not credible.
...actually I thought that phrase Joe Sixpack and The Sheeple was really catchy...
Yeah, you've thought more about the name-calling than the actual facts or logic. Further proof that you've lost the argument and have nothing else to contribute.
basically the hypothesis is that the Mossad was behind the more difficult aspects of the job.
Ah...scratch a 9/11 conspiracy and you get a Jewish conspiracy. Got it. So tell us -- what specific evidence makes a Mossad hypothesis more credible than any of the other stories I've heard in the last nine years?
huh?!? CA probably got his feelings hurt and is AWOL.. maybe hes trying to finish Physics for Dummies or Physics for Liberal Arts Majors [the 2nd is the same, it just sells better to intellectual wannabes].... or maybe just sucking his thumb somewhere.... or clutching his security blanket... or both.... maybe his nickname should be Linus....
maybe you subscribe to the same Phantasmal Physics as this--
"high ambient radiant energy, combined with shock-effects of various impacts, could have combined to bring down BLDG 7"
you have said nothing about bldg7 so far, though, so maybe you havent even gotten that far in your exhaustive 911 research.... just remember that famous zen saying... a journey of a thousand miles begins with... tieing your shoelaces, wink
uh, you know what? I dont like the tinfoil hat crowd either :(
yes, as the public perception of smelling a rat increased [and by the way I highly suggest you look into the polls of how many ppl think the Bush admin had some complicity-- as I recall its now a *majority* of poll respondents].... the disinformation increased. disinformation you say? yep. its a speciality of the CIA. so your next move is to deny that the CIA manufactures disinfo or participates in psyops. if so, it would only demonstrate your embryonic political literacy.
And YOU have said nothing to flesh out your demand that we read your links to find the answers to the questions you can't seem to answer. We called your bluff, and now you're changing the subject.
[and by the way I highly suggest you look into the polls of how many ppl think the Bush admin had some complicity-- as I recall its now a *majority* of poll respondents]
Yeah, a majority believe Bush ignored warnings about terrorist attacks on US soil -- that's common knowledge. And no, it's not the same as believing some Rube Goldberg conspiracy theory that's both organizationally impossible and totally unnecessary to any of the alleged conspirators' goals. (And since when did (unspecified) polls determine the truth of an allegation? Do you cite polls to prove Obama is a Muslim?)
so your next move is to deny that the CIA manufactures disinfo or participates in psyops.
You really think you can tell me how I'm supposed to think, and what my "next move" will be? This attitude is typical of paranoid delusions: you're simply not capable of understanding how others think, you refuse to acknowledge that people can have more than two possible lines of thought to choose from, and you don't seem to think other people are even real as cognizant actors. Again, just like every other adherent to every other conspiracy-theory.
Oh, and you still haven't explained what makes your "Jewish cabal" -- oops, I mean "Mossad" -- hypothesis more credible than all the other 9/11 conspiracy-stories. Wassamatter, boy, can't bear to face up to credibility problems so close to home?
the mossad is a very complex subject, well hidden, and alas, I dont have the time or intent to try to educate you in the comments box of a blog. maybe you should just start out by telling me why you think the mossad DIDNT do it and we'll work backwards. backwards-- very apropriate in your case, dont you think?
:p
sorry, but I dont see anything to distinguish your comments from a highly well written AI system. its true, so far by your writing, you've not escaped the status of Cardboard Cutout Commenter. I could write software that would write rebuttals similar to yours. you can take your rebuttals and see they would apply to any subject in particular, eg 911 conspiracies, obama not being muslim or born in US, torture by the CIA, corrupt banking system, wealth disparity..... since you read nothing on 911, your comments are highly predictable, and I might as well write rebuttals to myself, myself..... oh well!! its always been known that human consciousness rises about as fast as deep well water!! maybe in another decade, something will shift!!
In other words, you have nothing. Nothing but a bogus "Jewish cabal" fantasy and nothing to back it up. Why am I not surprised?
have you even heard of building 7?
Lemme guess...Building 7 ate your evidence?
Just as I suspected: other people are simply not real to you. Your nonsensical ravings are typical paranoid delusion -- your megalomaniacal fantasy is real, and everyone outside that construct is just a puppet manipulated by an unspecified Evil Genius.
Oh, and blithering about red and blue pills doesn't make you look "cutting edge," it just makes you look like a sad loser hiding in a fantasy world. "The Matrix" is not a documentary, whatever red pill you see lying about is just a pill, and the London Underground is not a political movement.
So how come you can't come up with a credible refutation of anything I've said?
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Anyone with a scintilla of sense knows it was an inside job. Your "detractors are just too weak-willed to entertain the possibility.
There is motive, thee is evidence, there are eyewitness accounts by interested parties, like Silverstein's own words "Pull it."
The only problem is that like other conspiracies, the truth will not be released for another three decades, when people's "minds" are preoccupied by other government sponsored atrocities.
I applaud Your courage.
Your friend,
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not only do you not click on any of the links Ive painstakingly compiled, you seem not even able to use google or youtube. you passionately argue your case and against mine when you apparently havent educated yourself on even the most basic and rudimentary information on the topic.
however, I cant criticize you too harshly, Jane Sixpack, because, like you, and [no] thanks to the deaf-dumb-blind see-hear-speak-no-evil M$M, there is probably still a large section of the public who hasnt heard anything about bldg 7.
which made me think of the following designed to fix that. there is a initiative called "Building What" to get a 911 truth commercial on tv, say in NYC. it has clips of interviews with all kinds of people. they have their own web site. the commercial hasnt aired yet afaik, but think it will air in "not too long". so for someone like you who maybe doesnt seem to perceive anything unkless its on a tv screen, give it a shot. maybe you will see it flash by while you're watching your favorite sitcom, or news show hosted by the anchordroid-du-jour =)
you also demonstrate that, similarly to CA, argumentative/debate skills [which you clearly, admittedly, excel at] are far different than research, inquiry, or critical/independent/unbiased thinking skills. a curious and somewhat unintuitive fact about psychological compartmentalization that our current Powers that Be are probably highly aware of and reliant on... even expert in exploiting after decades of practice and honing. you are intelligent, but yet blinded/paralyzed by your own mental invisible fences/prejudices.
a) when does 1+1=3?
b) what is the sound of one hand clapping?
c) if a conspiracy theorist writes a long post on 911 and doesnt change anyone's mind, does it make any difference?
e) if 3 WTC buildings are blown up in a false flag operation to trigger a mideast war by the US, did the explosions make any noise?
here I will quote Harret from the recent 911 truth mtg in NYC
"Harret’s closing comment was that “when his future grandchildren asked him “whose side were you on, grandpa,” he would say “yours,” which brought the house down."
Apathy? Please. Agree with it or not, there's HUGE amounts of lively debate going on here, on more subjects than I can list, every day. IF your friend thinks this place is "apathetic," it's probably because -- like you -- he can't relate to or respect people who don't think or function within your paranoid lockbox.
The only problem is that like other conspiracies, the truth will not be released for another three decades...
Ah yes, you can't back up your story because the truth won't be "released" for thirty more years. Are you aware that the birthers use exactly the same excuse for their lack of supporting evidence? I seem to remember some creationists using it too.
PS: I notice your friend didn't offer any evidence in his email either.
I have tried to focus mainly on what I consider the more credible researchers and have made a collection of some quotes which you may be interested in most of which are reasonably well sourced. This started as a few comments about JFK and it also needs some improvements in organization; when I do that it may be moved to a new page but there will be a forwarding link.
Regardless of what happened on 9/11 we can be sure that we need some election reform; that became obvious long before 9/11. We should also have a truth commission of some sort to inform and educate the public so that this attack on our rights can’t happen again. These are things we can be sure of and they should have more short term focus while other information is being exposed the sure things should be implemented with a minimum of delay. Unfortunately those profiting from the current system are screwing it up.
http://open.salon.com/blog/ghost_writer_1/2011/08/08/just_a_rant
Peace