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FEBRUARY 1, 2012 1:33AM

An Open Letter to Amazon.com - BOYCOTT!

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I used to buy a LOT of books at amazon.com.  I have done so for many years.  

Then, in December, Amazon offered its customers a discount if they purchased stuff online that they had scanned  while shopping at local retail bookseller's establishments.   This right after Borders closed 650 stores.  I really liked Borders.  The management at Borders made a lot of mistakes, but amazon definitely contributed to their demise.

Now, I appreciate the ease of use on amazon.  I bought cheap, used books almost exclusively there, because, hey - that's what I can afford.   Books are expensive and I have to feed my habit.  

For me, Desidarius Erasmus said it best in a letter written in 1500, "When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I buy food and clothes."  Although in my case, there wouldn't be much clothes buying going on.  

Here is my methodology for book selection:  I log onto my account at goodreads.com, where I have added over 2,245 books that I would like to read.  They are almost exclusively rated 4+ on a scale of 5.  They are all great books.

 Then I sort them by the number of reviews that have been added to the goodreads website.  For example, Sense and Sensibility by Jane Austen has been rated by 278,479 goodreads members, and has an average rating of 4.02.  (How is that even possible?)  Another example: toward the bottom of my list is  Krazy Kat:  The Comic Art of George Herriman by Patrick McDonnel.  It has been rated by 151 goodreads members for an average rating of 4.42.   I have noticed that certain books, say, poetry, have inflated values, while books on feminism are rated lower than one might expect.  I adjust my list accordingly.

I do this because I am a reader AND a writer; AND because, in the sixth grade, while walking to school and reading a book at the same time, it suddenly occurred to me that I would never be able to read every book ever written.  This realization stopped me in my tracks and tilted my world on its very axis.   So, I haved developed this way of choosing what book to read next completely out of necessity. 

Using this method, I have recently read:  Pride and Prejudice, The Left Hand of Darkness, The Giver, The Book Thief,  The Poisonwood Bible, and The Red Tent.  They are all fantastic, with The Book Thief an especial favorite of mine.  

I make a list of the top ten books on my list and then go to my local library.  If they have any of the books on the list, I immediately take them.  If they don't, I order one of them through inter-library loan.  (All hail the great and powerful interlibrary loan!)

For books that I cannot obtain in this manner, I used to either buy them used on Amazon, or buy them on kindle if they were very cheap or free. The average price I pay for a book, including shipping, is about four dollars.  For the best books in the world.

So, I am pissed at Amazon for pissing me off.  I also LOVE bookstores, and I cannot allow them to disappear from the earth for the sake of ease and frugality.  Authors need brick and mortar book stores to have readings in.  And for readers to overspend in.  So many are already gone.  

Ok, Bezos.  You had to spoil it for all of us.  So, I am boycotting amazon.com.  I am going to buy from brick and mortar bookstores, even though I'll have to pay more.  Even though it is less convenient.

I urge anyone who loves books to do the same.  Before it's too late. 

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Respect, respect, and more respect to you, Wren. I don't use them that often, I know my family does, but I will definitely spread the word. If we are going against Amazon, we have a lot of recruitment to do. R
Know what you mean about brick and mortar; entering Nicola's, right here in Ann Arbor, where Borders began, I realize that books are brick and mortar too--even though I have a Kindle. Haven't quite figured this out yet.
I've used Amazon for many years (since 96, I think!), though I tend to use the library now that we're a one-salary family. You make a compelling case for boycotting. By the way, I'd love to be your friend on Goodreads!
Oh, a nice lovely gal like u needs very few clothes. Pajamas & all formfitting jeans & tees is all.
That’s what I got.

Erasmus was a helluva good egg. I do not think anyone in my acquaintance ever quoted him.

Reformation, whatnot, he said? Sure, good idea..but let us go further..


I consider as lovers of books not those who keep their books hidden in their store-chests and never handle them, but those who, by nightly as well as daily use thumb them, batter them, wear them out, who fill out all the margins with annotations of many kinds, and who prefer the marks of a fault they have erased to a neat copy full of faults.
 Letter to an unidentified friend (148
……………………….

Just for good erudite sacrilege sake:


“There is no doubt about Martin Luther's marriage, but the rumour about his wife's early confinement is false; she is said however to be pregnant now. If there is truth in the popular legend, that Antichrist will be born from a monk and a nun (which is the story these people keep putting about), how many thousands of Antichrists the world must have already!
 Responding to rumours prompted by the marriage of Martin Luther,
Oh, a nice lovely gal like u needs very few clothes. Pajamas & all formfitting jeans & tees is all.
That’s what I got.

Erasmus was a helluva good egg. I do not think anyone in my acquaintance ever quoted him.

Reformation, whatnot, he said? Sure, good idea..but let us go further..


I consider as lovers of books not those who keep their books hidden in their store-chests and never handle them, but those who, by nightly as well as daily use thumb them, batter them, wear them out, who fill out all the margins with annotations of many kinds, and who prefer the marks of a fault they have erased to a neat copy full of faults.
 Letter to an unidentified friend (148
……………………….

Just for good erudite sacrilege sake:


“There is no doubt about Martin Luther's marriage, but the rumour about his wife's early confinement is false; she is said however to be pregnant now. If there is truth in the popular legend, that Antichrist will be born from a monk and a nun (which is the story these people keep putting about), how many thousands of Antichrists the world must have already!
 Responding to rumours prompted by the marriage of Martin Luther,
I doubt if a single individual could be found from the whole of mankind free from some form of insanity. The only difference is one of degree. A man who sees a gourd and takes it for his wife is called insane because this happens to very few people.
As quoted in Words from the Wise : Over 6,000 of the Smartest Things Ever Said (2007) by Rosemarie Jarski, p. 312
I sympathize with you, but it's already too late, dear. Amazon is on the verge of taking over the whole damned world. I kid you not.
Amen...Wren...amen...The printed page is a cornstone of civilization...We should be wary of those who would eliminate books...
Rated....
Hi Wren. I'm not sure if i caught the issue. Was it Amazon staff scanning books from bookstores which they, Amazon, then try to sell? Regardless, I don't order from Amazon but it's easier for me living in a city. For those in more remote locales the pickings are slim and Amazon is a lifeline.
There's a petition circulating started by a small San Francisco bookstore (the first African American bookstore in the country): CEO, Amazon.com: Stop the "Price Check" assault on small businesses. Here's the link to sign http://tinyurl.com/82l5le9
Abrawang, in December, the biggest book selling month of the year, Amazon told it's customers to go to a freestanding bookstore competitor (like Barnes & Noble, or your local still surviving bookstore) and scan a the bar code of a book they wanted to buy there.

Then, the person could buy that item at amazon at a discount.

This is beyond the pale.
Wren This is a great perspective and I, too, mourn the passing of indy stores.

Rated.
I haven't bought from Amazon in years. Most of my books come from like Half-Priced Books over the river or a bookstore has actually opened up in the local mall that has a really nice selection from today's "classics" to the oldies but the goodies.

Not half priced but well...:)

Screw you Amazon.com and....ooooooh, shiny! ~Wanders off~ :D
I know what you are saying, Wren...and I often feel the same way.

Unfortunately, that boat has already sailed.

Things they are a changin'...and no amount of indignation or resentment on our part will change 'em back.

And my guess is...in twenty years we will see that this is the way it had to go.
I hear you, Wren, but I'm afraid this is an unwinnable war. At my age, I am supposed to be more upset by change than I seem to be, but the change is inevitable. Besides, I am more interested in the content of the books than I am the environment in which I purchase and read them. I am reminded of the sentiments we experienced at the advent of supermarkets when I was a child. Our house was located on the same block as our butcher, druggist, dentist and physician. Slowly but surely, even my loyal grandmother saw the advantages offered by the supermarkets and was lured away.

Lezlie
I have another tab open on Amazon right now, ready to check out and I decided to go and see if I had a reason to make a purchase, by coming to Salon and checking things out. And then BOOM, there you are in my PM and I had to go look.

I agree with you, to a point. There are a lot of shut-ins and they have a whole new world open to them thru the internet. Amazon just seems to be the place to find things other places don't have.

Can you suggest other sites for these people?
I don't buy books on line when I can other ways. In support of you.
That is disappointing, Wren. I was sad to see Borders go out of business too.
I think the REASON for the boycott is laudable. After all, what's being suggested is to undercut every brick and mortar purchase everywhere they can for the sake of a few more sales. It smacks of unfair advantage and a lack of business ethics to boot.

Hey everybody! See a book you like at your local bookstore? Scan the barcode and then come to US! We'll get that book to you at a discount compared to that place where you found it. Don't you WANT to SAVE MONEY!?! Do so and while you're at it, let us put them out of Business! It's a win win!

I'm glad I don't really use Amazon for anything -- even though I am out in the hinterlands of a rural community, 40 miles from Austin, TX. I hardly get to my local town of Bastrop, much less Austin, these days, but each time I'm in Austin, I make a point of finding a reason to cruise over to Half-Price Books and see what they have to offer.

I don't own a Kindle or e-Reader and doubt that I will. I'm not too old to change and I'm not such a stick in the mud to hate online sales (I do most of my business online when I can to save on costs, but I also check the difference in prices, because sometimes, the shipping and handling charges make it cheaper for me to spend my gas on a cheaper product I can bring home) but there is business for the sake of business and business that makes sense.

This scan the barcode thing should be something any person would look askance at and make them wonder -- why do they have to be such shits about business to conduct it like this?

Books don't run low on batteries. They're less hard on your eyes, because they reflect instead of emit light, and, one day, the power may go out all over the world. All the data stored in all the hard drives, flash drives and solid state devices will be unreadable and, if not for the printed word, all learning must start completely over.

Maybe that's why Atlantis' demise cost the world so much? They used some form of storage and power to record all their data and when the place was destroyed, the only knowledge that could be transmitted was what any survivor could actually recall directly?

But we have something like 24,000 clay tablets from the Sumerian civilization that come from circa 3,400 BCE (making them about 5,100 years old) that have yet to be translated at all. I wonder, could we translate them and find out some things we have yet to discover today -- even with all our modern marvels?

Yeah, yeah, I know. Still, my personal library has to be something around 3,000 books, most of which I have read cover to cover -- and that doesn't count my college texts, periodicals, magazines and reference materials (I have like four atlas', because I just LOVE maps.) I have a lot of books on CD/DVD including many audio books (which my wife loves) as well which are also not inlcuded in that count.

The idea of all books and printed matter to disappear and be turned into wholly electronic format fills me with dread. Not out of fear of change, I love the trees/paper saved by digital formats and the ease of transportation digital media enjoys. But because I think we should always have manual repositories of information for in case the power goes off and isn't coming back on soon.

It's just my cautious nature regarding how capricious nature can be.

I support the boycott, though, because I think that's just shitty business practice.

--r--
I heartily disagree with the folks who are saying the boycott is meaningless because it is too late. That is easy to say when you don't want to do anything about it.

When is the last time you visited a brick and mortar bookstore and bought anything? Went to an author's reading or book signing. Yet, we call ourselves writers and authors here.

If you allow Amazon to have a monopoly on publishing, then authors will continue to be at their mercy as far as recompense and rights go. Publicity, too.

So, don't tell me it's too late unless you've tried it and then it failed.
I'm not sure I understand why you are boycotting Amazon ... ???
I think I bought from Amazon once. I didn't like paying for shipping. I buy online from Barnes and Noble because I get a discount for being a member, plus free shipping. I go to their store when I get a coupon from them. There are only a few other bookstores around here in greater suburbia, and they don't really offer what I am interested in. Whenever I'm in a college town, however, I go berserk. I've read a book or two on a Nook I borrowed from my school library--it was fine for a book I wanted to just blow through for my book club. But I thrill on the the sensuality of a book in my hands. When the lights go out, I'll have stuff to read (unless I trip on steps and break my glasses).

I'll let my teacher/reader/writer friends know about this slimy scanning thing. Like dunniteowl said, that's just shitty.
Wren, thanks for the clarification. What sneaky pricks.
"...in the sixth grade, while walking to school and reading a book at the same time, it suddenly occurred to me that I would never be able to read every book ever written. This realization stopped me in my tracks and tilted my world on its very axis." Smiling, stunned, and relating. A beautiful post...
Barnes & Noble have new books. Online used booksellers include abebooks.com, and alibris.com.
Doing the right thing is not always the easy and convenient thing to do.
But it feels good.
And B&N online offers "New and Used from..." some price and some used book retailers. I often pay more to have a book shipped than the book itself cost.
I just ordered two items from ebay that I would have gotten from amazon before the boycott.
Wren, this is the kind of thinking that may well save our soon-to-be-sorry asses. If people keep wanting more cheap crap, at the price of very souls, then we will Walmartize gettng out teeth worked on and onward until we have no ethos, no sense of values.
Appreciate what you have done here. I love finding those resale shops run by someone who's just hanging on, which I think's pretty cool -- because that person is us. Smell the coffee, baby!
Hopefully not Starbucks ...