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JULY 5, 2009 11:48AM

The most important thing to remember about health care

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The message is clear: socialized medicine kills.

At least, that’s the inference the writer of this Associated Press article obviously wants us to draw: “More serious problems in Britain's health care were reported last month, when cancer researchers announced that as many as 15,000 people over age 75 were dying prematurely from cancer every year.”

Uh, hello? People over age 75 dying “prematurely?”

We all have to die. As a child I once heard my grandfather admonish my grandmother, “Ah geez, Mary – you gotta go sometime.”

More to the point, what difference does it make if you die of cancer, or you die of something else at the exact same time? The only statistic that means anything to you as an individual is the overall death rate. And while we spend two-and-a-half times as much, per capita, on health care as they do in the UK, life expectancy is higher in the UK than in the US.

The truth of the matter is, here in the US we have gone preposterously past the point of diminishing returns in terms of spending on medical care. Between 1980 and 2003, per capita spending on drugs, adjusted for inflation, increased seventeen times. Not seventeen percent more -- SEVENTEEN TIMES more. And during this period, life expectancy at 65 barely budged -- and I’d wager that most of the increase -- maybe all -- was due to the fact that fewer people are smoking.

The burden of proof ought to be on anybody who proposes that more spending on high-tech medical care will prolong life expectancy. A study published in  Archives of Internal Medicine compared patients with terminal cancer who had end-of-life discussions with their physicians with those who did not. The patients who did not have such discussions endured more invasive medical treatments, suffered more, and in the opinion of their caregivers, had a poorer quality of death than those who did have such discussions.

And here’s the punchline – THEY DIDN’T EVEN LIVE ANY LONGER!

In fact, they tended to die a little bit sooner (although the difference didn’t reach statistical significance) – even though they were not as sick to begin with.

In the book of Genesis, it says, “Our days on earth are three score and ten, or fourscore if we are strong.” In other words, we can infer that at the time that was written, if you didn’t die of accidents or violence or infectious disease, you could expect to live to be about 80. Today, if you don’t die of accidents or violence or infectious disease, you can expect to live to be, uh, about 80.

We still grow old and die. That hasn’t changed.

I wish everybody involved in the health care debate would begin by acknowledging a simple truth: death is not some rare and preventable anomaly – it is life’s greatest certainty.

Death is life’s bitterest fact, no doubt about it. I just don’t believe that the solution is to ply our senior citizens with as many expensive and invasive and potentially dangerous treatments as they will stand for.

Recently I was visiting the sister of my late father. My father was estranged from her, and for most of my life I was only vaguely aware of her existence. She’s now 80 years old, and with no prompting at all on my part, she told me, “All the ladies at the homeowners’ association, we’ve all decided: No more mammograms, no more colonoscopies. You gotta die of something.”

Indeed. And the only remedy I can think of is to let the ones you love know it today. Tomorrow may be too late.

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The old have a duty to protect the young, to guide them, to educate them, to train them to take our places. Then we have a duty to die and get the hell out of their way.
Death is inevitable: hopefully it procrastinates. It's when it takes the young before they get to enjoy the world that a sadness permeates me. It's when it takes the afflicted aided by economic cruelty that I question it. It's when someone dies by the hand of another that death becomes the greatest cheater of them all. I wish to live forever; I know I won't.
Spending more does NOT mean better care - the U.S. has proven this at least "17" times over. As usual, just follow the money trail - who benefits most from the status quo?
Well written, by a young person.

So at what age are you going to check out? I would assume that at 65 you are going to pull the trigger and end it all so that you don't use any of the resources that are available to younger people.

So how when I ask this question I'm not going to get a direct, no spin, reply, but at what age are you going to end it all? At what age is it your duty to die and get the hell out of their way? If you live to that age, are you going to end it and get out of their way?

I await your reply.
Excellent post, and I suspect the AP article was a plant, possibly planted by Citizens for Patients Rights, a scam fronted by the disgusting, vile and venal Rick Scott I wrote about in one of my posts:

Healthcare Hucksters

I couldn't agree more with your post, save for this statement:

"Death is life’s bitterest fact, no doubt about it."

For many older people I know, death is not bitter, it is a relief from constant pain and a life that no longer has any meaning short of simple survival. But the attitude you voiced is one reason people cling to life long past the time when their quality of life is negligible.

(Read Jimmymac's series of posts Shaving with Connie Francis for some beautifully-drawn examples.)

You are quite right that this country seems to have a pathological reluctance to address these issues. Those who profit obscenely from our healthcare system have no qualms about taking advantage of our fear of death.

But a lack of finances will force us to do so, and the fact that Big Business wants out of the business of providing health insurance is one on the signs this is already happening.
educative post. rtd.
AMEN! I have focused on end-of-life and palliative care issues for a number of years, during my career in health care. I have often made the statement this culture needs to be reminded that death is not optional.

Just because we've developed the technology to prolong the individual's dying process, is it ethical or human to insist that the existing technology be implemented to it's fullest in every case?

My maternal grandfather died of bone cancer in 1962, at age 74. It took him five years from diagnosis to death. He was at home and we all knew he was dying. We openly talked about his terminal illness with him and he with us. Death was accepted as an inevitable part of living in those times.

There was no chemo. There was no radiation therapy. Grandma was instructed in safe morphine injection techniques to manage his pain.
He died in her arms, in the bed they had shared for over 50 years, still in love and at peace.

47 years later I still miss him as a vital part of my own life, but his life was a good one and long-enough for him. I've told my family that if and when a terminal diagnosis is is confirmed, I will not subject my body to the whims of science, nor live my remaining time so ill and weak that I cannot enjoy it, nor leave an enormous medical debt for my children. I will choose to die the way my grandpa died.
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not clear about what socialized medicare or socialized medication is. the picture, is tht what you do now?
To catnlion:

I'm not a young man. I'm 48 years old. I am definitely closer to the end than to the beginning.

I will make my exit when I have reached the point of negative returns. When I will reach that point, I cannot say. It's different for everyone. If I am diagnosed with terminal cancer, and there is no hope that medical treatment will prolong a life worth living, I will not turn my body into a battleground just to increase the medical industry's profits.

To Tom Cordle: excellent points. You will notice, the AP article didn't even bother to mention that we already have socialized medicine for those over 65. It's called Medicare. So the entire argument was based on a false premise.

To everybody: thanks for commenting.
Premature death is oddly defined - if a natural biological process like cancer is not a form of natural death, than what is? Past a certain age, everyone has cancer of some form. It's inherent in how cells operate. Most men over the age of 65 have prostate cancer at autopsy (no, I don't have a link, it was something I learned from a medical examiner versed in the history of autopsy who spoke at my medical school a few years ago). The heart slows, the kidneys become less efficient, the brain grows plaques....

but of course, if there are meds that can draw it out then any death is premature. (that was sarcasm)
To Alicia:

The book Should I Be Tested For Cancer? cites a study done in Finland which found that pretty much every elderly person who dies has the beginning of cancer of the thyroid.

As my Grampa said, "Ya gotta go sometime."

Thanks for commenting.
Even when I was at medical school back in the '60s, we were taught that the objective of clinical practice was not (usually) to prolong life but to give comfort and to improve the quality of life. That was in the U.K., I hasten to add.

Mark.
To tmedbiol:

We pay more in taxes for health care than you do in the USA, and yet we have fifty million uninsured. And even having insurance is not guarantee you won't be driven into bankruptcy.

I am willing to take responsibility for my health and I am willing to accept my mortality. I just don't want to be driven into bankruptcy if I am in a car accident and get rushed to the hospital unconscious and the hospital turns out not to be on my insurance company's preferred provider list.

Thanks for commenting.
Great post--somehow I'm reminded of the movie Children of Men and that drug Quietus(sp?). Still, just more fuel to add to the fodder that more is not necessarily any better.
by the way, that archives article you mentioned uses a phrase that needs more discussion--"quality of death"
I often find that people who are seriously and terminally ill are more than willing to forego further treatment but very rarely will their families allow them to do so. This may be worse in America with its broken families, family dislocation and all the attendent guilt and regret .So the family ends up demanding more and more and the person who is weak just goes along.It doesn't help either that very few Americans actually are famialiar with how death comes about and so demand constant interventions
To tmedbiol:

Oops. What I meant to say was, "We pay more in taxes for health care here in the USA than you do in the UK."
To Dr. Parikh:

According to Ivan Illich, in the eighteenth century, when the end was approaching, a man would be formally "given up" by his doctor and served a last repast with a bottle of wine specially reserved for the occasion. Maybe that's a custom we need to revive.
To Deborah Carter:

I remember reading an article about that. Sometimes at the end of life, some estranged relative who hasn't spoken to the dying patient in years will come charging in and demand all kinds of useless high-tech interventions to try to save the person's life. I shall try to see if I can find the article. Any health professionals out there know any stories about anything like that?
Here's the article:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090311/death_costs_090311/20090311?hub=Health
We here in Canada, with our socialized medicine (government-paid, not government-run), think the situation you have in the States is insane - criminally insane. First heads to roll should be of the anti-socialized mnedicine propagandists.
To myriad:

Per capita, we pay more in taxes for health care than Canadians do, with far worse outcomes.

Thanks for commenting.