Heidi Herron

Heidi Herron
Location
Wisconsin, USA
Birthday
October 31
Bio
I used to write about random things on OS, the first place I ever wrote publicly. But the political unrest that began in Wisconsin early in 2011, consumed me. My posts here are now all things Wisconsin either through documentational personal posts of the continuing struggle (which only appear on Open Salon) or through cross posts first published on WIvoices.org. I founded that organization in order to feature verbatim interviews with other Wisconsinites. These primary documents bear witness to the times that we live in and return the power to the people - where it belongs. WIvoices.org.

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MAY 12, 2011 11:26PM

WI Voices: Man losing BadgerCare

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“Frank” is a 60-yr-old Wisconsin man.  He’s a single, self-employed contractor who works on homes after they have been foreclosed.  He has several grown children and small grandchildren, some whom were running around or jumping on his lap during our interview.  Frank is a classic Midwesterner of his generation in many ways.  For instance, his most passionate points of the day referred to his love for The Green Bay Packers. He would’ve been content to stay on the football topic for much longer.  He’s also typical in his willingness to help others while uncomfortable complaining about his own situation.  For this reason, he wished to remain anonymous.  Frank told me that he is about to lose his state-funded BadgerCare insurance for low income Wisconsinites.  Approximately 63,000 residents around the state share his predicament. 

Here’s his story.

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At what age did you start working?

I started working for (neighbors) on the farm at age 12 or 13… mostly just chase cows for them.  Got up at 4:00 in the morning and brought ‘em into the corral…well they knew the way.   As I got older I would feed the calves or bail hay, chores like that.  By the time I was 16 I had enough money saved up to buy my first car… a ’64 Ford.

 What was your next job?

 After high school [by then married] I worked for a construction company burying telephone lines, removing old telephone poles. And then I went to work at a local meat packing plant.  I worked there for 15 years until they got bought out by a non-union company and we all lost our jobs. [By this time Frank and his wife also had 3 young children.]

 So when a non-union company bought the plant, they didn’t keep your crew on?

 No.  We got severance pay.  For working in a plant, I really liked working there.  I was never just standing in one spot.  I was moving, pushed carts around or formulated things.  I liked the people there and it was great pay and full insurance for the family.  For working at a plant, I really liked it.

Was there grumbling when you were let go?       

 We knew it was coming–and you could stay on.  But,I mean- it was,-the pay was so much less it was ridiculous.  It just wasn’t the same anymore when they took over.  It changed a lot of stuff with my family.

 Any correlation between then and now?

 Same in the sense that it is all about big business…people will say that “I’m not making much, you shouldn’t be either.”  No body cared about us.  [This was in the 1980’s] back when Reagan started this “Trick Down” stuff – we’ve seen now that it doesn’t work… I mean, why isn’t there any strings attached?  Like “you have to create this many good jobs or you don’t get any money.”  But there is never any of that.  They just give them [big corporations] the money and it doesn’t make its way back.

 What led you back to farming?

 After I lost my job at the plant, it was luck that I found a great deal on the farm.  It was a guaranteed income for a family.  I was involved in a farm co-op where I shared in the profits.  [He and his wife divorced at some point during this time.]  But there again it was a local business getting bought out from a big one from some where else.  Farmer’s profit was cut in half after the buyout.  So it was just a series of these things. [Frank chuckled and shook his head]

 So, this has happened to you twice now. Where you have had an income where you were making it, supporting a family, had insurance and the small, local company you worked for was sold to a larger corporation which took away your power as a worker.

 Yep.  Two different times. After the buyout, it came to light that a corrupt person in the system down there [in his co-op] was stealing money and we all lost most of our equity.  I don’t even know if he went to prison over that (chuckled), it was just one of those things that got pushed under the rug.  So yeah, that was going to be my retirement (laughed).  So, now I don’t have any retirement.  And, you know what it’s one of those things that I am so thankful that I’m healthy to work.  And I have a job and for some reason I don’t lose sleep over it.  I just somehow feel that something will work out that I’ll be alright. 

  So how long have you been on BadgerCare?

 Two years

 How long until you qualify for Social Security or Medicare, those type of things.

 When I’m 65, another 5 years.

 Take us through your health insurance coverage in your life?

 Well I had coverage for the family at the (meat packing) plant.  Then I bought my own policy for us all on the farm.  One daughter had a serious health problem and insurance wouldn’t pay. [It was discovered that she had a congenital birth defect which was correctible with proper intervention, but deadly without it.]

 So you paid your premiums every month and insurance wouldn’t pay for your daughter’s surgery?

 No they wouldn’t.  I was mad about it but they said it was a pre-existing condition.   So someone recommended The Shriners and they took her in and completely took care of everything.  Every time I see one of those guys I thank them.  I mean, I tell them don’t even call and ask me – just send me the donation slip every year, I’ll pay it.  And I always put a note in there thanking them for everything that they do.

 Then when the kids were all out of the house I just had a really high end deductible thing.  One company I was with dropped me when I needed shoulder surgery.  It got so bad that couldn’t work for a while so I asked about surgery.  But they wouldn’t cover it saying it was a pre-existing condition and then they dropped me after that.  So I just learned to live with the shoulder.  It will never be right, but you know – you won’t die from that.  After they dropped me I had a lapse for several years when I didn’t have any insurance.

 So you were without insurance for years?

 Yep.  I just stayed really healthy, you know.  But then I qualified for BadgerCare.  I had to go the emergency room for a hernia while the Badger Care paperwork was going through.  I had to pay for that myself.  It was over $900.  That was a surgery that I absolutely needed.  I don’t know what I would’ve done without BadgerCare.  The thing with BadgerCare is that is was a pre-existing condition and they still paid for it.  I mean the thing about the shoulder, I can live with that, like I said, I wasn’t going to die from it.  But the hernia – yeah – I needed that.

**[I called the hospital nearest Frank and was quoted a price of $9,489 for hernia surgery.  Frank told me that it took him 18 months to pay off the ER visit.  At this rate - and if he never needed any more health care - he would've paid for the hernia surgery for over 16 years without BadgerCare.]

 What do you think of Governor Walker’s tax breaks to big corporations when programs like BadgerCare are being cut?

 It is just in line with everything else that they’ve been doing. 

 What is the word on the street in your world concerning all of this political stuff?

 It’s split right down the middle.  Either they are all for Walker or they think it is outrageously wrong.  I really don’t see anybody that is just middle of the road…and for once it is not just Democrats against Republicans.  You see a lot of Republicans upset with it….and when you hear a Governor say that “bi-partisan doesn’t work”…well, hugh!  That is just blatant in your face ‘I really don’t care what you people think, and I don’t care what the majority thinks, we are in control now and this is the way that things will be done.’

 What would be one thing you’d like to say to Gov. Walker and his supporters like Sen. Harsdorf if you can get your story out there?  Because some of the things being said are that you are ”special interest groups” and those on Badger Care should “work harder” and it seems to me that you have worked hard your whole life.

 Yeah I have worked hard my whole life.  I don’t like being bitter at the system, but I am bitter about this because I would think that all of the taxes I’ve paid that…uh…I mean that hernia surgery is the only big thing I’ve needed.  I haven’t been to a doctor much since.  I’m not a burden.  I’d like to see them keep BadgerCare and only use it in an emergency, because, I don’t abuse the system.  But even with BadgerCare I wouldn’t mind paying a portion of it if I could continue to have it. I’m just wondering if they are eliminating BadgerCare then why haven’t they given us any direction about what to do from here?

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Frank told one of the 63,000 BadgerCare stories in Wisconsin today.  Many of our friends, neighbors, and family members will face the difficult choice of either using the expensive ER services (paid for by the tax payers) or simply “learn to live with it.”  Frank feels lucky that he has no young dependants at home.  Many families face a terrifiying position of losing crucial care for adults who provide for small children; therfore, physically and psychologically endangering everyone.   Governor Walker and Senator Harsdorf, Frank would like to know: “why haven’t [you] given us any direction about what to do from here?”

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excellent! this says is all! glad to know your real name
Stunning when he referred to "Trick Down" and what a farce that theory is...Everyman knows exactly what's going on.
Heartbreaking and infuriating. Thank you for telling this man's story. Reminds me of Studs Terkel...
What this man NEEDS is not a balanced budget. He NEEDS a system that will work as hard for him as he has for it.

By you telling his story, you shed light on the biggest myth of all of this: that these cuts only affect people who are taking advantage of the system. The people taking advantage of the system are the corporations that keep blackmailing all of us with the implied (or overt) threat that if they're taxed they'll leave. It's time for they to demonstrate the same patriotism and loyalty that they demand from the rest of us.
Kathy - thanks for lending support, weird to see my name up there too

Linnnn - I know what you mean...living proof

divorcedpauline - I got the sense that this guy will be ok - he's a survivor - that's why I loved telling this one - he' inspiring - though wronged over and over by a corrupt system

Noah - "It's time for they to demonstrate the same patriotism and loyalty that they demand from the rest of us."

pow! This should be a mantra...
I also live in WI.
I am so disgusted with what these leeches are doing to ruin everything they can for human beings only to turn a profit for their true owners like the Koch suckers.

I'm fortunate in that I have the VA for my healthcare and get MY MONEY BECK from soc security.
They want to commit rape and that also.

I'm planning a trip later this year to Prague and elsewhere in Europe.
I just might not come back.
So much new is so bad all the time in our country.
Bah!!
Scooter Walker and his masters, the Koch brothers know that it's all about enriching the top 0.1% of the population at the expense of everyone else. I suppose if they get their way, ultimately we can rename this country the United States of Pakistan.
Dear Ms. Herron:

I am sorry. However, we needed the taxes Frank paid to underwrite the medical bills for others on BadgerCare while Frank was working and healthy. Since BadgerCare was as much a financial disaster as Medicare is, the money just ran out at the wrong time for him.

Unfortunately, Wisconsin cannot print money like the Federal government can. Therefore, we have no choice other than to balance our budget . . . now.

Welfare programs that are not self-sustaining must have their benefits reduced or eliminated. Further, there are citizens far worse off than Frank.

However, I'll be happy to suggest to the legislature that we raise taxes on our richest residents. You apparently are unaware that this will not help.

First, there aren't that many wealthy people in Wisconsin, or anywhere else, for that matter. The government gets far less money by having the wealthiest, like the Koch brothers, pay $1,000 more than it does by having everyone else pay $1 more.

Second, the wealthy always have the option to live somewhere else. Just like anything the government taxes, one quickly discovers that it becomes less plentiful. Similarly, anything that the government subsidizes becomes more plentiful.

For subsidizing healthcare, we received higher private health insurance premiums (especially after we stifled competition and innovation by imposing additional regulations on what health insurers could offer in their contracts in Wisconsin) and greatly increased the demand for non-emergency medical care. Fortunately, members of the Packers didn't have to depend on BadgerCare.

Nevertheless, I am always available to hear your suggestions for new, better, models for our State's welfare programs. Please feel free to contact one of my many gatekeepers for an appointment or call me directly at 1-800-NO RECALL anytime for my recorded "I feel your pain" message.

Sincerely,


Governor Scott Walker
XJS – don’t move! We need all the support here we can get…thanks man.

Lefty – “United States of Pakistan”

Uncle Chri – having a bad day man? I expected a more honest response from you than this. Frank asked one question – “where does he go from here?” If you can’t dignify his question with an answer – then kindly move along.
You know that I seldom miss an opportunity to express how proud we are of your participation in the democratic process and our congratulations for the success of your recall efforts against Senator Harsdorf.

These feelings stem from a strong belief that all elected officials should be held accountable. There can be few better ways to express this conviction than through the actions that you and your colleagues have so recently brought to fruition.

However, a successful recall effort won’t change the facts and problems surrounding BadgerCare. Presumably you have Harsdorf’s and Walker’s proposed solutions to its problems; and you don’t like them. Here’s a news flash: Neither Harsdorf nor Walker are likely to change their thinking much just because you have successfully recalled the Senator.

Thus, Frank’s question is incorrectly addressed. It’s YOU, your like-minded politicos, and especially your candidate, Ms. Moore, who owe Frank the answer he seeks. We have chatted about this before. That is to say, I have mentioned this to you before.

You’re the dog who has caught up to the car traveling down the road. You’re about to take a bite . . . . The question is what happens next. Will the dog or the car "win"?

If you want to win the recall election, then my suggestion is that you have an answer to Frank’s question. Believe me, Harsdorf will challenge Moore to come up with a better plan than the one now being implemented.

At that point, Ms. Moore has two options. She can fail to respond to Harsdorf. Or, she can detail a plan for Frank that Harsdorf will analyze with the intent to embarrass your candidate.

Outside of those challenges, Harsdorf won’t be talking, or sympathizing, with your crew or your perspective of the issues. She knows that she will never get your vote.

Instead, she will be claiming that her way is the best one for Wisconsin; and she will be addressing those remarks to a set of people who generally agree with her. Your hope should be that Ms. Moore's audiences are bigger than Ms. Harsdorf's.

As much as we all might feel Frank’s pain, the projection of Governor Walker’s personality onto this comment stream is the answer to Frank’s question from the incumbents. It’s your responsibility to promote a different, better, result for him.

This can’t just be about which side wins the election, like the opposing fans at a soccer match. That won’t help Frank. Money doesn’t grow on trees anymore than it does in Democratic pockets.

So, what is YOUR answer to Frank?
Heidi - did "hadanuffa Harsdorf?" catch on at all?

Thanks for providing genuine a genuine conversation. You could have chosen to repeat a string of tired and hackneyed soundbites, but instead you chose to find some facts. Glad you leave that uncreative roll to others.
UncleChri - Once again, Frank deserves the dignity of a response from his CURRENT governor who is taking away health care w/o any direction. Reframing the question isn't an answer, just a cowardly attempt to distract. I won't ask you again - either engage in this discussion or move along. This is Frank's day - and he deserves an answer.

Steve! This is so weird - I was getting on here to write to you - YOUR SLOGAN WON! I have it on the back of my car. I'll have to take a picture and send it to you. It reads:

"haddanuffa harsdorf and walker?

Vote Shelly Moore for State Senate"

It is one of the three choices. My hubby sent out the choices and people are downloading them, printing them off themselves, and tapping in in their back windows or carrying them as signs.

I just couldn't get yours out of my head. It is funny and not mean - to the point...it is going in our front yard too - I'll take pics and post. Thanks so much for not thinking too hard (haa haa) - it was exactly the tongue in cheek slogan needed...
OMYGAWD!!!!

I am thrilled! I feel like I have been able to give something back to the State where I was born.

Whatever pics you post or send will thrill me.
Butt, butt, butt, Heidi, the women are soooo hot and they like older guys.
Pant pant pant.
I haven't forgotten that there still ARE other things in life besides hating this little punk bastard in Madison.
XJS - clean it up man...this is a family cause!
Heidi, thanks for pointing out the reality of healthcare as it relates to real, hardworking people! Nice job!
It is very sad. I grew up there and my guessing by the Senator Harsdorf (Sheila, I presume) comment, really close. It is a good place to grow up or raise a family, as long as you have health insurance. Trust me, I live in NY and you ain't seen nothing in terms of healthcare costs yet.
exceptional read re: exasperating current reality/injustices...Keep stirring the pot, honey! I LOVE reading you...and happy EP! RRR
Rated and wrote a Daily Koss level compliment for 'yas, HH. It probably involved too much logic, compassion, empathy, math and progressivism for tonight's audience.

Of guns, butter, and new equations.

Frank is a working class hero and now that he needs the collective strengths of American can-do-ism he's gettin swept aside by blatantly unfair obsolete objectivism.

We the people know the math is there.

Lower Medicare to say, 52 years old on a pay-go basis.

Allow affordable low-interest promissory notes/bonding to accommodate VA level public care for families, individuals. Yesterday, is when.

We the people, *angry* compassionate empathetic and nonviolent.
Frank is about as real as one can get... and like you said, also reminded me of a lot of farmers I know of that generation. You know, I think that perhaps what I most appreciated about this interview was how it gives a real picture of someone who is utilizing public services--services that Frank has also paid taxes to support. It is also pretty tough to see it all laid out and not feel pretty disheartened about how things have worked out, are working still.
meant to add before posting: that even as disheartening as it is, reading this interview also made me feel pretty proud and especially hopeful, as well. I'm glad it's out there and getting read, glad you're writing for all those who otherwise wouldn't be heard.