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Kevin Army
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Formerly posing as Yserba Berrington, now just posing as myself. In a former life I worked on music creatively for a living. Now I'm a hardworking slacker and occasional writer for no money at all, and I like it that way. I post fiction, ramblings, songs, photos, videos, whatever I feel moved to do. I'm kind of directionless. Welcome!

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AUGUST 10, 2012 10:04AM

Sadly Seeing Chick-Fil-A Through The Other Side

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In case you came in late to the whole Chick-Fil-A controversy (I did), CEO Dan Cathy recently affirmed the companies anti gay marriage position, and among other things said: “I pray God's mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude to think that we would have the audacity to try to redefine what marriage is all about." This isn't so much about what Cathy said, as the fallout and reaction about last Fridays kiss-in protests at his restaurants around the country, and the surprising tolerance and support for his bigoted position the protest seems to have led to.

*** 

I wasn't having the best afternoon this past Saturday. I'd been out in the morning on my usual weekend hunt for old records, and came home to certified letters from the IRS. It was an oddly gloomy summer day here in Oakland, and I fell asleep on the couch for awhile.

I'd logged into a gay dating site before I fell asleep, and woke to the pleasant mock telephone sound that alerted me I had an email from a potential suitor. So I got up, sat at the computer, and had a short and awkward chat that went frustratingly nowhere.

As I was still waking up, I wandered over to facebook, and saw a post by a blogger named Michael Patrick who friended me a while back, I think because of a singer we both know. He had shared a photo of a man at a Chick-Fil-A wearing a t-shirt that said “I Had Sex At Chick-Fil-A”, that had the caption “And they expect tolerance”. There was a sole comment by Renee McKrill that said:

This guy has no class. What kind of sick individual has to announce to complete strangers he had sex not to mention the children who would rather not know. He obviously is a democrat. A republican gay would go about his life quietly. Democrats have to shove it down the throats of everyone even demanding legislation. What a jerk off. “

I was stunned to see this on my facebook page. Living here in Oakland, as opposed to Louisiana, where Ms. McKrill is from, I'm pretty insulated from a direct experience of such blatant homophobia. I've experienced it enough during my life, and really don't need any more.

Still, I couldn't help but click on the photo to see more about where this posting was intended to go. It was shared from the facebook page of The Scarlet Sage. Here are some more of the comments:

The lefties are just like Satan, give them an inch and they will be your ruler! God did not design the human body for "this kind of sexual intercourse" read an anatomy book. And if it is "normal" why don't other animals in the world practice same sex intercourse?? The Bible teaches us in the "latter days" good will be called bad and bad will be called good! Our only hope is to turn to God for wisdom. Margie Riley.

These clowns are less than 3% of the population. We are supposed to make some grand accommodations for them so they can flaunt it in our faces? Fk them in the neck. Grant Guess

totally and utterly disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TK Wright

These PIGS can go screw Donkeys and Goats if they want ..... Who cares what DEGENERATES do. Judson Witham

You know what is so bad is that the gays are in your face, flaming, and acting like children. If you are gay, have some class and keep it to yourselves. It is just not right to see two men or two women kissing in public. OMG Get a room. Vicky Cummings

OK, I think you all get the idea, right? In all fairness, not all comments were as awful as these, but a surprisingly large amount of the over 100 were. Some were possibly even worse. It was a facebook hate-fest, and there I was face to face with it.

I wasn't sure what Mr. Patrick’s intentions were by posting the photo, so I read his somewhat related blog post called “Planes Chicken And Fast Food”. He wrote: “...as far as Dan Cathy's opinion goes.....he has every right to voice it, not everything that is said is always agreed on. But we all have to support the right to express it...if you don't agree with his stance, just take your business elsewhere. Staging "kiss-ins" is just so much classless bullshit...and changes nothing. But taking your money to say Popeye's or Kentucky Fried Chicken will catch the stockholder's attention much more then showboating for the TV cameras."

I got really close to deleting Mr. Patrick, and unjoining his facebook group “The Inner Circle”. Stuff like this really upsets me, and I don't really like to be exposed to it. But, it's a reality I need to be aware of. I forget sometimes just how much some people hate my kind, and that it's much more widespread then the awful Rev. Fred Phelps, or say Rick Santorum. So I didn't delete, and wrote Michael to ask him his intentions with all this.

Michael kindly wrote back, and explained that he is not homophobic at all, a great relief to know. His purpose in reposting the Scarlet Sage post was to point out irony in one of the comments under the photo. I found the attempt kind of vague, but I was glad to learn it was well intentioned, as Patrick seems like a nice guy.

Still, what worries me about Patrick's blog is that he treats Dan Cathy with respect, and the gay protestors with disrespect. It's a subtle version of homophobia I've observed since I came out at 40. Our government thinks less of us, as does a fair portion of the population, and it permeates our culture in small ways like this. Like the unfortunate phrase “That's gay”.

Personally, I'm really sad I missed the kiss in nearest me in Fairfield, about 40 minutes from here. Yes, we have free speech in this country, and as much as I disagree with the owner of Chick-Fil-A, I do think he has a right to say what he wants. But I also support peaceful protest, and my brave gay brothers and sisters who stood out in public and kissed have every right to do that too.

Kissing is a basic and important gesture of caring and love. The protestors were showing there's more to being gay then just sex, there's all the other things that go with being a couple too. Maybe the protest didn't get to Dan Cathy, and maybe it disgusted some people. But maybe it showed some people something they rarely see, and need time to absorb, that gay people have the same basic need and capability for love as straight people.

 ***

While working on this piece, I began to notice a recurring trend: Michael Patrick was far from alone. I searched through pages of Google results and couldn't find anything really supporting the protestors. One possible reason could be the protest wasn't much of a success in terms of attendance, it seems that it would be hard to find where more then 50 kissers showed up, and in many places it was much less.

But over and over, people both conservative and liberal were quick to defend Cathy's right to say whatever he wanted, no matter how offensive. Even I'm prone to do that, but can't we at least defend the right of the kiss-in participants for peaceful protest? Even gay people are arguing about it's merit.

A Huffington Post blogger, who's by line is “LGBT Rights Activist”, Waymon Hudson, says: “... I think using the tactic of a kiss-in plays into the "yuck" attitudes of our opposition”.

From the universal reactions, I guess Hudson has a point, but really, this unfair barrier that exists about same sex couples kissing in public needs to be broken down. If us gay people don't start going for it, and risk getting the “yuck factor” invoked at us, how else is it going to happen? One kiss a year on network TV isn't going to get the job done.

I pray for the day when the only statement my kissing a man in public will make is how I feel about that man. And I pray for the day when I don't have to see hateful comments about who I was born to be. I really believe God made me this way. And I thank Patrick for returning my email, and for making me aware of what's out there, of letting me see the other side. I'm not happy to see it, but it's important to know. Painful and aggravating, but important to know.

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I wonder if this guy is playing both sides as it sure sounds like it. Still- al of this makes me sick. I was going to write about it over a month ago before it caught the media's attention.. ... but I guess I had no idea of what extent it has gone to.
HUGGGGGGG
Ya see, Kevin, that's the thing... and one of the reasons's I don't post here anymore. It's not just the blatant homophobes here and other places... it's also the ones who lie about it, often to themselves. You know the ones I'm talking about? There are the ones who say, "I support gay marriage I just don't want it FORCED on everybody" or ask "Why do you have to MENTION that you're queer in the first place?" and a second later mention their OWN hetero sex life crowd.

It's also why I catch so much flack here. I'm VERY out. I make no bones about who and what I am. I'm proud of and flaunt the hell out of being queer. This makes many, ESPECIALLY the ones who lie to themselves, VERY uncomfortable. it pushes their "homos are yuck" button. Hell, it even makes the Joe Solonese wannabe "It will come in time if we're just nice and polite enough" crowd uncomfortable. That's okay though. The more I push that button the sooner that sucker will break. The more I make the ""It will come in time"-er uncomfortable the sooner they will get off their placated asses and out of their insular little worlds and actually DO something.

For me, I'm DONE with "nice and polite". I'm DONE with "some day" and I'm DONE with "soft homophobia". So I'm gonna kiss in their faces, call Cathy the homophobic, hater twit he is and use their biblical references as toilet paper. I agree with Jerry Rubin nowadays: "The power to define the situation is the ultimate power."
I am not against same sex marriage and I am not a fundamentalist. But I have always admired the owner of the chain for keeping his faith by closing on Sundays. A majority of Americans don't approve of same sex marriage. Shall we give them a shower?
Linda- When I read the facebook comments, I can't tell you how sick and angry I began to feel.
HUGGGGGGGGGGGG back!!
Kevin- I think that it's mistaken to take user comments as a barometer of real public opinion, there are a lot of hateful people out there & they're the kind of people who spew when they get even remotely pissy. I've avoided reading or participating in reader comments (no offense to the many who post thoughtful & intelligent comments) since Solomon Burke died & I chanced to read down to the comments & found a string of racist observations & agreements among the readers that this early legend of Rock & Soul must have been a pimp & a drug dealer based on the cape & clothes he wore (they were also fairly well in agreement that he didn't warrant an obit since "I've never heard of him"). These were people who looked at the praise filled obit of a black man & couldn't curb their racist urges to go into attack mode. Sadly, the internet is full of such trolls & the gay community is often the target of their nastiness. There's a saying "don't feed the trolls" which I find to be a good rule to live by, people who post these comments aren't looking for discourse, they just want to antagonize people with their extreme & hateful views & ridicule others. The comments section is the great mouthpiece for a million anonymous a--holes (& a load of good people too, but the a--holes are the one's who make certain they get the most attention).

As for the kiss in, I was thrilled by it & agree that it's tragic that it failed to gain traction but am in some disagreement with you that it could ever be seen by the opposition as dissent-by-love...when we previously discussed this I felt it was a provocative statement that would maybe get media attention but would piss a lot of people off. I took it as a call to arms (so to speak) that while Dan Cathy has every right to exercise his free speech, his platform is much larger than any given member of the LBGT community so the community needs to make much grander statements to find even ground.

While I considered your idea that this was an exhibition of love to the nation in response to Cathy's judgement, I might suggest that members of the community get a Justice Of The Peace or minister & camp themselves outside Chick-Fil-A restaurants' across the country, call the local news & perform wedding after wedding, this would doubly speak to this man's contempt for gay marriage & to the many state's who have dodged the gay marriage debate; this would also successfully demonstrate love within the community. While those married would have the bad memory of being married in the presence of an emblem of hate, they would also have the opportunity to take pride in the fact that their marriage occurred in an act of simultaneous love & in protest for a right cause.

This is my first reader comment (you can likely tell by the length) & I didn't mean to choose an anonymous name (I'm just unfamiliar with the way these things are done). My name is Dan Vallor, I am proud to call Kevin my oldest friend & 20 years ago he was best man at my own wedding.
Amy- I know the ones you're talking about. And when we notice the homophobia in them, they act shocked, like there's something wrong with us.
I understand it being a reason for you to keep away, but that makes me sad. Even if I haven't said it, and I should have, I always enjoy your posts and comments. OS isn't exactly a haven for radical queer thinking, and it is a better place when it has your perspective. Thanks for the comments!
This is a lovely and brave post. Nicely done.
David Price- Thanks for the comments.
Dan- There's a big difference between the nameless trolls that wander the internet and people on facebook who have pictures of themselves, and stand up and say these things with their real names attached, and in front of their friends and family. The trolls have no accountability, but these people do.
But heck, how many times have we disagreed? I'm proud to be your friend too. Welcome to OS!
Actually, a person on the magic box(TV!) made a good point, instead of going to these places who seemingly love the money, why not take the money else where?

Instead of trying to have them shut down illegally, just don't shop there. The side of the "Good Christian" like to boycott places, why not, I say, boycott them!!! :D

Rated!
Firechick- Thanks!
Tink- I'm all for the boycott!
Cathy's words are the least harmful of his activities - he gives a lot of money to "pro-family" groups (pro hetero family, of course). So eating there not only is a statement supporting his statements, but contributing financially to his financial contributions.
Myriad- The financial support to the "pro-family" groups is a very harmful thing. Thanks!
“Still, what worries me about Patrick's blog is that he treats Dan Cathy with respect, and the gay protestors with disrespect. It's a subtle version of homophobia I've observed since I came out at 40.”

I’m always galled when someone tries to spin the whole “I’m just trying to look at both sides” faux fairness mantle in what is essentially a game of demonizing the victim. This is also a delusion that comes when “freedom of speech at any cost” becomes a smokescreen for discriminatory behaviour. If any good comes out of this is that at least you have a clearer idea of who your real enemies are.
VA- You make some great points, nothing to add here. Good to hear from you!

SkypixieO- Thanks!